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Montage, the juxtapositions of different images on pieces or frames of film, can in itself create meaning.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 21 2015 8:08AM) : provide three examples of montage
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Feb 03 2016 10:16AM) : Montage Uses more

Montages can be used in several different ways to portray an array of meanings. A montage could show a slew of various video clips that depict a characters emotions throughout a lengthy event. Another way to use montage is to have a slideshow of images showing the growth or change of a character over a significant amount of time. A montage could also be a way to fast-forward through an event or occurrence that is too complicated to cover in complete detail.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 04 2016 2:26PM) : and montage creates meaning depending on the order in which the images are shown.
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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (Feb 04 2016 7:27PM) : A single event can be seen through many lenses with the help of a montage. more

Different montages of the same event can create completely different meanings of that event based on the style and editing of the film. Depending on what your purpose of the shot is, a montage can enhance your point of view on whatever event you’re “reporting” on. Using the example Jake brought up about using a slideshow of images showing the growth/change of a character, depending on what type of change the director is trying to show/the point trying they’re trying to make, he/she can show this change in many different ways. A single event can be seen through many lenses with the help of a montage.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 7:50AM) : one event but multiple meanings
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 7:56AM) : New ways of telling stories can change the nature of the storiesand of story telling.
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (May 02 2016 6:09PM) : New takes on old topics more

I find it interesting that every year there are new documentaries on the same topics and continuously interest me. I have slowly realized that it is the new takes and new facts discovered every year that inject new life into topics that have been retold countless times throughout history.

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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (May 02 2016 9:34PM) : Very interesting to me as well. The same story can be told millions of times all in different ways based on what meaning you create from the event
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 03 2016 8:14AM) : Right
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Ramiro Thompson Ramiro Thompson (May 19 2016 5:18PM) : it goes further too more

And then different events of that same topic allows you to generate more ideas and love for the topic.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 03 2016 8:13AM) : Or it may be just that use of contemporary language can make certain old subjects seem fresh.
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Ramiro Thompson Ramiro Thompson (May 19 2016 5:17PM) : I see this too more

You know what I have notice about a documentary of the same topic that continuously excites me ? The bring on new professionals with P.HD’s in the topic that they are talking about. It makes me trust it more. More credible. Sometimes

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Mija Jimenez Perez Mija Jimenez Perez (Feb 04 2016 8:34PM) : Montage more

Montage is subjective to convey different meanings. Montage can show a sequence of the character’s reaction to a certain action. Another exemple of montage would images of a person or an object’s progression and a final exemple of montage would be to speed through a certain évent that is too difficult to cover in one shot

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 7:51AM) : Yes, montage can speed up time, skip certain parts of the event, and shape the action.
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Patrick Malave Patrick Malave (Feb 04 2016 9:15PM) : Examples of Montage more

One example of a montage is using a series of clips to serve as a storyline that leads up to a climax (i.e. wrestling pay-per-view matches ). Another example is using still images with an accompanying score and no dialogue to illustrate a journey or trip across time as seen in movies. One other example would be to re-tell the story of significant events using clips with commentary (such as highlights from a previous sporting event).

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 7:52AM) : so montage is a form of editing and presentation.
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (Feb 04 2016 10:46PM) : Montages more

Montages can create all sorts of meaning depending on how they are put together, speed of cuts, type of music used if any, etc. But more importantly montages are used for very specific reasons.

1) To advance a story/idea quicker, or faster than it would be to show the scenes individually at full length.
2) Used as an overview of a certain area/idea. Having a montage of a scene in Europe would tell the audience that they are in Europe.
3) To make the audience feel some type of emotion. A quick and effective way of making the audience feel sad or angry very quickly can ramp up a serious documentary.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 7:52AM) : a good concise summary of montage
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Errol Lewis Errol Lewis (Feb 04 2016 10:58PM) : Entertainment usage of montages... more

A montage is generally a series of clips showcasing a situation or event. Fans of characters on a television series or movie commonly create a short timeline of events covering a specific storyline or storylines over time with music attached to help tell the story.

Another example of a montage includes a compilation of scenes from a movie that helps piece together a typical movie trailer.

A montage can also be used to recap situations in a short time frame from a movie, tv show or even something shown in a music video, just to name a few.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 7:54AM) : Montages can make connections quickly, as you point out.
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Vanessa Ramos Vanessa Ramos (Feb 05 2016 6:47AM) : Montage examples more

1. An example of a montage is a shot in which shows a character performing an action over and over again, which in turn creates the effect that the character is now skilled at this action

2. Another example can be still movements that highlight important portions of an event, such as highlights of a football game.

3. Montages can be used to show timing, for example a character on a mission or journey, that takes time to accomplish.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 7:55AM) : Yes, montages are a very effective way for film to manipulate time.
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Kim Brands Kim Brands (Feb 09 2016 1:16PM) : Montage more

1) One example of montage is to show a difference in time. For example, you could show how the New York skyline changed from 1950 till now.
2) Another example of montage is to show a difference in place. If a person in a movie travels from New York to Amsterdam, different shots can show the viewer that the person is in New York, then on a plane, and in the next shot (that shows canals and houses in Amsterdam for example) arrived in Amsterdam.
3) A third example of montage would be to show what kind of emotions a person has. The example you used in the first class was with a shot of a sad guy, than a bowl of soup, than a shot of a happy guy, which suggests that the guy is happy because he wanted soup. The other way around (happy guy, bowl of soup, sad guy) would suggest that the person does not like the soup.

In short I would say that montage can make things clear in a very short amount of time and can also change the story telling.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 10:50AM) : Quite right. Montage is a very effective and efficient way to present time and place and even character development.
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Andrew White Andrew White (Feb 09 2016 1:36PM) : Film technique (montage) more

A montage is a film editing technique in which a short series of shots are edited to save space. It can consist of the following techniques.

Still pictures
Sepia tone
Slow-paced editing
Orchestral music
No dialogue

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 10:50AM) : Save space or time.
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Wilde Diaz Wilde Diaz (Feb 11 2016 10:46AM) : Montage usage more
By being slow in pace, usually with music in the background, montages aim to convey a message.

1. Tracks a journey from one country to another.

2. Through many pictures, show the progression from the infancy of something to its full development in order to deliver a message. (Passage of time).

3. Portrayal of a scene from different angles.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2016 9:07AM) : Montage is usually thought of as slow, but just the opposite.
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Carmen Hall Carmen Hall (Feb 06 2017 2:38PM) : I agree that it was boring not enough action
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Ms Kindra Cooper Ms Kindra Cooper (May 18 2016 6:16PM) : Montage is an editing technique used to convey lots of information very quickly more

Montage are a rapid-fire succession of photographs or footage, with very quick cuts in between. Often, the shots are juxtaposed so that one shot fades in before the next has faded out – or the cut is very shot and barely noticeable. It is used to convey lots of information quickly where emotion is not an important part of the narrative. Three examples: montage can be used to quickly recount a historical occurrence for context, show a time-lapse, or show a range of different settings.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 19 2016 7:21AM) : Good summary
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The expanded technological resources of film had an aesthetic and moral result.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 21 2015 8:09AM) : What was the aesthetic and moral result?
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Feb 03 2016 10:50AM) : Results of Expanded Technology more

The new advancements that allowed for the moving pictures to be created allowed for a new art form to be created and developed. The aesthetics of the moving picture did just what it sounds it would do. With a whole new field of expression created, film makers began experimenting with different angles, lighting, and all the other styles we see today to develop their own individual style of aesthetics. Along with a new genre of aesthetics came a new set of morals to be tested as the previous arts could not have possibly captured such events.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 04 2016 2:33PM) : so the camera itself because a way of exploring and presenting reality.
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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (Feb 04 2016 7:36PM) : Expanded technological resources made film makers able to focus on the points that were meaningful to them, creating different ways to tell the same story. more

Expanded technological resources made film makers able to focus on the points that were meaningful to them, creating different ways to tell the same story. The moral implications are that you can play with the storyline of a real event to make it fit within your point of view. This challenges the truth value of documentaries. From an aesthetic stand point, technological resources enhanced creativity within documentaries, offering new techniques within the field and turning film making into an art.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 7:58AM) : and the aesthetics of filmmaking have an impact on the truth value of documentaries
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (Feb 04 2016 10:53PM) : Technological results more

If the objective of a movie or documentary is to evoke some sort of emotion then of course the result of more advances in the industry will also demand an increase in morality and aesthetics. Cinematographers and actors have pretty much one job, make a scene look pretty and be pretty respectively.

There is also a high demand to shock and awe the audience with questionable types of film that either have excessive violence, realism, or nudity.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 7:59AM) : is what you say just as true of documentaries as it is of feature films?
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Vanessa Ramos Vanessa Ramos (Feb 05 2016 6:53AM) : Aesthetic and moral result more

The aesthetic and moral result can be viewed in such a way that a film maker can control the effect that they wished to portray to their audience. It allowed for ideas to be presented in a different form, however, to create the same effect. Stimulation of the eye is the goal of cinematographers and this allows them to go in depth with these type of tactics.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:00AM) : you might say stimulation of the eye governs a good deal of the filmmaker's work
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Kim Brands Kim Brands (Feb 09 2016 1:52PM) : Result more

Both aesthetically and morally I think film changed a lot. It made it possible to show images from different sides, thus creating different perspectives. For example, one filmmaker could show an event and made it look like it was very boring, while another one could use different footage that showed it was amazing. Shots that do not contribute to the story a certain filmmaker wants to tell, can be easily left out and thus create a different story.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 10:55AM) : Editing changed the nature of film because it was no longer one 50 second take, as in the Lumiere films.
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There is an opening sequence of a documentary about Lillian Hellman in which the phrases from several interviews are merged into shots of several speakers who seem to be contributing to one succinct statement about the film’s subject. The film has thus created a dialogue between the speakers that in fact never occurred. Is such a film dishonest.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 21 2015 8:10AM) : If dishonest, explain why. If not dishonest, explain why.
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Feb 03 2016 10:22AM) : Honesty more

Depending on how the editing is used by the film maker, it may or may not be used dishonestly. If the sequence is constructed in a way that the actual speeches and views of the individuals portrayed become changed or distorted then the film maker will lose credibility. But if the hypothetical conversation created does not change the intended reactions of the clips used, it can be to the editors advantage. Also playing a role in the honesty is the overall mood of the film itself because such a sequence may not be anything more than a device to mock those who the documentary is aimed at.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 04 2016 2:28PM) : True, although editing that alters the sequence of events or of a person's words can create a false impression.
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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (Feb 04 2016 7:47PM) : I don’t believe this is dishonest, but I do believe this has a chance to influence the viewer based on the phrases chosen. more

I don’t believe this is dishonest, but I do believe this has a chance to influence the viewer based on the phrases chosen. A Documentary is a form of reporting, and reporters often have opinions. It’s up to the viewer to understand that film makers may have an agenda. In order for the viewer to have an entire view of a person or event, one documentary often isn’t enough. Writing this made me second guess my answer, but I would have to watch this documentary to see the actual reason behind this false dialogue!

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:02AM) : studying the way a film is put together can sometimes sort out the extent to which you are manipulated
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Mija Jimenez Perez Mija Jimenez Perez (Feb 04 2016 8:44PM) : If dishonest, Why? If not dishonest, explain why? more

Whether dishonest or not dishonest really depends on the film maker and the purpose of the documentary. If it’s is a biographical documentary then it has to be factual or else thé credibility will questioned.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:02AM) : But when would dishonesty be okay?
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Deja Washington Deja Washington (Feb 04 2016 9:00PM) : Dishonest in the context, not of the content more

The dishonesty takes place as far as the dialogue being an illusion of a conversation between the speakers. The speakers words aren’t altered, their setting is. Putting the speakers altogether to create a false productive conversation expands the agenda of the documentary. However, their words are still fact in the sense that it is not hearsay (spoken from someone else). Therefore, changing the context of the supposed factual dialogue creates dishonesty and drama; instead, the documentary pushes an agenda instead of facts.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:04AM) : or pushes only certain facts into the foreground
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Mr. Jeremy Fillipp Mr. Jeremy Fillipp (Feb 04 2016 9:51PM) : Honest/Dishonest more

I think this is a tricky question to answer, however, I feel that they were honest in this film. I believe what they captured was genuine. There were two parts in the film where the narrator raised some questions for me. First off, it was discussed how people were aware of the camera and may have worked harder than they normally would have (i.e. the workers at the train station.) Really, I believe this would have happened any day in age. It does not mean that the film makers were dishonest. Also, it was also discussed that the factory workers exiting the factory were “directed” in exiting either left or right due to the placement of the camera. I do not view this as dishonesty because if everyone came out and walked directly towards the camera, there would have been no decent footage that would have been captured.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:05AM) : so some kinds of truth have to be presented in terms of what the camera can capture best
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Mr. Jeremy Fillipp Mr. Jeremy Fillipp (May 12 2016 5:06PM) : Truths more

Well I think that if the camera does not capture the truth’s best, then viewers might not know if they are truths.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 13 2016 8:05AM) : Not quite sure about your response. after all, an astute viewer can note how the film is edited, which people are interviwed, and so on.
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (Feb 04 2016 10:58PM) : Maybe a little of both more

In my head I am imagining a supercut of every speaker saying like one word to convey a whole sentence like the edited Obama scenes to make him sing “Hotline Bling.” But I don’t think that this is dishonest if the scenes were played in full in the documentary. If they are not played in full later and the speakers are manipulated into saying something that they did say, then that is dishonest. You can edit someone to say anything if you have enough footage, and it would be dishonest to show the audience that.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:07AM) : Editing is a powerful tool, which is why it has to be carefully studied.
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Errol Lewis Errol Lewis (Feb 04 2016 11:05PM) : It depends more

Honesty vs. Dishonesty depends on the outcome of the completed sentence and whether the individuals agreed with the end result. If one says something negative and another says something positive, but the overall result is collectively positive as presented, or negative, there is definitely dishonesty since the actual results were skewed. This is dishonest.

If everyone said the same statement, but each line they said was pieced together as separate pieces, it’s fine. The comment remains intact.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:08AM) : can filmmakers get the agreement you mention? Should they?
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Vanessa Ramos Vanessa Ramos (Feb 05 2016 6:59AM) : Honesty v.s. Dishonesty more

Although the cinematogropher has complete control and influence of the view, i do not believe that this is dishonest. In a conversation, each and every individual may have an alternative way to explain the message that they are trying to convey, nevertheless; the message gets across. This can be compared with film makers. The nature of the work that they are in is to give out content that they see in their mind and wish to spill out to others. Opinions will be in abundance.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:10AM) : The cinematographer does not have complete control unless he is also editor,director, and producer.
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Ramiro Thompson Ramiro Thompson (May 19 2016 5:45PM) : Viewers will view it however the wish to more

Right but even still I think she is trying to say we will see/view the results differently no matter they influence a specific view. Isn’t there truth to this?

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Kim Brands Kim Brands (Feb 09 2016 2:00PM) : Dishonest more

I think that, even if a filmmaker does not falsify the footage, it could never be totally honest. It shows a truth but some form of the truth. As I said above, different footage can be used and create a whole different story. Both stories can show what really happened but have a different effect, although they are both kind of true. Still, it is not the whole truth. The viewer should keep in mind that it is always structured and subjective and can never show the whole truth. It is the same with newspapers or the news on the television I guess. Only by even choosing a certain word, you create a certain image. Shots do the same. They always show half of a story, structured by its maker. (I am not saying that this is wrong but I do think it is never totally honest and that a person should keep that in mind.)

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 10:58AM) : Perhaps it is not always a question of honesty but simply of selection.
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Wilde Diaz Wilde Diaz (Feb 11 2016 10:54AM) : Dishonesty more

More often than not filmmakers that undertake a documentary project, whether it be intentionally or unintentionally, produce projects that are dishonest in nature. This is done because they want to convey a message that ideally is the thesis of their documentary. However with most things when you have a point of view on something they is always points opposite yours which makes the filmmaker decide upon whether or not he wants to discredit his claims [reporting].

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2016 9:08AM) : Are they really dishonest simply because they have a point of view? I doubt dishonest is a term that can be used to label documentaries, even if certain documentaries are indeed dishonest.
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Andrew White Andrew White (Feb 09 2016 1:45PM) : It is dishonest? more

I think that the idea is very divisive. It can be perceived as dishonest as well as it can be used as a technique to form bias to create an agenda

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 10:52AM) : What idea exactly?
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Richard Caamano Richard Caamano (May 20 2016 10:04AM) : I think he means the idea to cut together the parts of the interview. It can be seen as dishonest, but is used as a tool to promote an agenda.
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Whether we watch a documentary about a war or a biography of a famous figure, we presume that we are absorbing a presentation of fact. Of course, documentaries are no such thing.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 21 2015 8:11AM) : In what sense are documentaries presentations of facts? Why is such a statement inadequate?
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Feb 03 2016 10:27AM) : Presentation of Fact more

Documentaries tell a story by presenting a series of facts and descriptions in accordance with visual documents and evidence that complete the story. However, the film makers may choose to purposely leave out certain important points that are crucial to the structure of the actual event but would be detrimental to the point they are trying to make. This is why when watching documentaries we reserve some of our belief until individual research has been done.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 04 2016 2:29PM) : What happens if individual research cannot be done? how do viewers of documentaries assess what is true?
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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (Feb 04 2016 7:52PM) : Depending on how biased the "presentation of facts" were within the documentary, a film maker could hypothetically alter the entire outcome of an event. more

This is a good question and one that may not be able to be answered. Depending on how biased the “presentation of facts” were within the documentary, a film maker could hypothetically alter the entire outcome of an event. Without individual research you either have to trust the film makers reasons behind making the documentary or remain skeptical.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:14AM) : no other options?
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Ramiro Thompson Ramiro Thompson (May 19 2016 5:51PM) : Yes , there is. and that was funny professor- not in a bad way. more

Its called interpretation and analyzing. With each and every documentary we constantly have to be able make sense out of it all. What works for you works for you. what doesn’t just doesn’t. Its what you take out of documentary and how you allow that to affect you.

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Richard Caamano Richard Caamano (May 20 2016 10:07AM) : The audience would have to get information from multiple sources and assess the information themselves. Separate what makes sense from what doesn't.
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Mija Jimenez Perez Mija Jimenez Perez (Feb 04 2016 8:51PM) : Documentary films factual? more

Documentaries are presented with evidence to correlate to the visual aspect of the film. The documentary can be distorted when the film maker leaves out details that maybe important.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:15AM) : Or emphasizes certain details too much.
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Deja Washington Deja Washington (Feb 04 2016 9:11PM) : Documentaries involve information mixed with opinions more

Many documentaries I’ve seen tend to provide the audience with a load of information, wether about a war, celebrity, or natural disaster, followed by personal experiences about that subject. Because those personal experiences, are told to us at face value, we, the audience, tend to automatically feel the connection that it is real and truthful. The data of the documentary (time/date of events, casualties, etc.) may be presented as fact, and even that can be false. But, the experiences of those involved cannot be defined as fact because they vary from subject to subject too much.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:16AM) : How can you speak for the audience?
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Ramiro Thompson Ramiro Thompson (May 19 2016 5:54PM) : Great question more

Maybe by being the audience? chances are someone else feels the same way, but I get what you mean not everyone will agree. Speaking for others is very complex.

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Patrick Malave Patrick Malave (Feb 04 2016 9:54PM) : Presentations of facts in documentaries more

Documentaries can tell the written facts of an event or topic, but is usually presented based on what the producer deems as important facts of a story. Most documentaries seemed loaded with a specific motive as you are told a story through the thoughts of a filmmaker, who puts his opinion into the facts of the story. There are many sides to a story and most (if not all) documentaries fail to provide every perspective of a story. It is important to be wary of the fact-choosing that occurs within documentaries in an effort to alter your opinion and perceptions towards the filmmakers.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:17AM) : The important thing is to be aware of how film shapes the story
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Mr. Jeremy Fillipp Mr. Jeremy Fillipp (Feb 04 2016 10:00PM) : Presentation of Facts more

I believe that a documentary is a presentation of facts, however, that line can be blurred from time to time. Some things that we do not know when documentaries are presented, is the sequence of events. Is the film pieced together in the way that it was shot? Were comments showed before or after an event happened? I also believe that this can be inadequate in the sense that events of a film could be altered to look a certain way to fuel a certain outcome. This can be done by a bias from the filmmaker. I believe that documentaries are mostly factual but can be misrepresented from time to time.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:18AM) : so how to correct for the misrepresentation?
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Mr. Jeremy Fillipp Mr. Jeremy Fillipp (May 12 2016 5:08PM) : Misrepresentation more

I think that, and drawing this from one students final presentation, is to have one long continuous cut without any editing. Now, you can’t do this for a whole movie, but it would be a step in the right direction.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 13 2016 8:06AM) : Actually Andy Warhol did whole movies without doing any cutting.
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Errol Lewis Errol Lewis (Feb 04 2016 11:17PM) : Facts or statements inadequate [Edited] more

The idea that a documentary is factually based is a presumption on the part of people. When there is a person, subject or thing being covered by the director and presented in a format that isn’t scripted, the presumption is that whatever is being said is based on factual information by the person(s) discussing it.

The statements can be inadequate because they may not be telling the truth, and therefore the concept loses its relevance.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:19AM) : How can a documentary enhance its truth value?
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Richard Caamano Richard Caamano (May 20 2016 10:10AM) : Truth Value more

A documentary can state facts that are general knowledge to enhance it’s own credibility with the audience. Then it can go on to make it’s points on a certain topic. With the initial credibility, the audience will have an easier time believing the film.

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Joshua Wolfe Joshua Wolfe (Feb 04 2016 11:58PM) : Presentation of fact? more

What you see in a documentary is true but sometimes they can be manipulated to create a misrepresentation of what truly has occurred. Certain parts and angle of the story can be left out which is why you almost always never get the full story in a documentary. They may try and organize the film in a way which would make you think one way as opposed to another. This why when watching documentaries it is vital to grasp them with a grain of salt.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:20AM) : how can you grasp wih a grain of salt?
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Joshua Wolfe Joshua Wolfe (Feb 06 2016 6:39PM) : You can take something with a grain of salt or to be skeptical about it.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 07 2016 11:12AM) : I was responding to your use of language, the use of the word grasp.
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Vanessa Ramos Vanessa Ramos (Feb 05 2016 7:04AM) : Documentaries: Facts? more

This statement is inadequate because of how heavily influenced the film makers’ ideas are of the content. While the film maker can present facts, its the way that they go about presenting these facts. The way they are presented, or the way the film maker sees fit to present these “facts” can heavily influence their audience.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:20AM) : So examining the style of a film may be helpful in assessing its truth value.
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Kim Brands Kim Brands (Feb 09 2016 2:02PM) : Inadequate more

It is inadequate because a documentary filmmaker could never show the whole truth. Shots and images are always structured. Still, everything that is shown can be facts and the truth, but you always leave stuff out as well, thus creating a certain story and perspective. I think documentary filmmakers should know they can never fully capture a whole story but should always try to come as close to the truth as possible (so trying to stay as objective as possible).

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 11:00AM) : Is it, in fact, always important to be "objective"? Should a film about Hitler, for example, be objective? If so, what is meant by objective?
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Wilde Diaz Wilde Diaz (Feb 11 2016 11:00AM) : Presentation of findings more

In my opinion documentaries are a presentation of findings and not facts. When you say facts, these are statements that are supposed to be presented as they are for general consumption by the viewer. However more often than not filmmakers take these facts and manipulate them in a way that fits their story line in order to better portray their vision for their documentary.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2016 9:09AM) : Findings is a good word, although I believe film, like any other medium, can present facts too.
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Andrew White Andrew White (Feb 09 2016 1:48PM) : Documentaries more

All documentaries have an agenda. They intend to document some aspect of reality, for the purposes of displaying knowledge or maintaining historical record. They may or may not be fact, I think thats up to the viewer to inquire.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 10:52AM) : What can the viewer do?
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The Lumiere brothers’ thanks in large part to their timing have a certain sense of truth to their films.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 21 2015 8:11AM) : What about timing?
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Feb 03 2016 10:59AM) : Timing more

The truth found in the Lumiere Brothers’ films is more of a sense of reality that a point proven truthful. The fact that their clips capture a busy street with people and transport moving around quickly shows a reality that people were accustomed to, which in turn made them believable.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 04 2016 2:34PM) : yes, as Lumiere said to his sons, "get the image out of the box"
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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (Feb 04 2016 8:01PM) : The Lumiere brothers did their best to stay true to the event they were filming. more

The Lumiere brothers did their best to stay true to the event they were filming. Timing their shots created a sense of art as true as one can make through film, although the point brought up that a camera transforms reality is a valid one in the sense that people might act different when being filmed.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:21AM) : so a film can both be true and a fiction.
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (May 02 2016 6:33PM) : Truth in Fiction more

I think that even if a documentary is staged and reenacted the truth value can be preserved. So long as the general emotions and outlook on the subject are translated efficiently, a fictional documentary can remain truthful to the topic at hand.

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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (May 02 2016 9:37PM) : Agreed. Truth value lies in the intention of the director not if the documentary was staged or not!
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 03 2016 8:16AM) : Intention. Just because a filmmaker intends to tell the truth does not mean he has done so.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 03 2016 8:16AM) : I agree, though some viewers dislike documentaries that in any sense are fictionalized
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Mr. Jeremy Fillipp Mr. Jeremy Fillipp (Feb 04 2016 9:05PM) : Timing more

It was interesting to watch their documentary in regards to timing. A new scene in the documentary always seemed to show something coming to an end. For example, all the factory workers exiting the factory (their train coming to an end.) It also showed a train coming into the station (their ride coming to an end.) I think by filming at these times, they were able to capture the reactions of the people as best they could. For example, they were happy to leave work. Happy to be getting off the train, etc.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:22AM) : good point. even these short films have a shape,an endpoint, as you say.
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Mr. Jeremy Fillipp Mr. Jeremy Fillipp (May 12 2016 5:10PM) : End points more

I believe that every good story has a beginning, middle, and an end. I feel that when stories, movies, documentaries, etc. are missing those three components, it takes away from the value of what you are trying to show.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 13 2016 8:07AM) : not sure I agree. Some documentaries cannot have all three elements because of the subject matter.
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Deja Washington Deja Washington (Feb 04 2016 9:21PM) : Timing as far as their infatuation with everyday life. more

The Lumiere brothers goal was to record life in the new industrial era that took the world by storm. Even with little added effects, such as the horse and newly invented bicycle placed in front of the French factory, creates drama but, expresses another fact: evolution in transportation. Everyday life was exciting enough to film with the new changes of the world.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:23AM) : Right, film captured the speed of change.
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (Feb 04 2016 11:04PM) : Timing is a major key more

Everyone who has ever taken a decent photo or shot a great video has had timing to thank. Though some of their stuff seems a little staged, the fact that they were there and rolling at the same time are some crazy odds. If they weren’t trying to capture as much as they could with such a new device we might not have film as we know it today. They felt a need to document their everyday life experiences.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:24AM) : and they were careful about how much they could accomplish in 50 seconds
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Errol Lewis Errol Lewis (Feb 04 2016 11:26PM) : Timing more

Timing is everything. When you are ahead of the curve you make breakthroughs. The Lumiere brothers being ahead of the game when it came to film allowed them to take credit long sought by others to make the moving image a reality.

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Joshua Wolfe Joshua Wolfe (Feb 04 2016 11:50PM) : Timing more

I think the timing is the fact that they were capturing real footage of the working class people going about their everyday lives. The shots you are seeing are so straightforward, pure, and basic which gives them a strong degree of truth and honesty regardless if they are staged or not.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:25AM) : yes, the actions in the film are authentic.
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Vanessa Ramos Vanessa Ramos (Feb 05 2016 7:07AM) : Timing more

Timing is key. Timing ties in the visual aspect and the relevance of what the film maker is trying to say. As stated previously, the Lumiere Brothers’ films used timing to have their viewers relate immensely, simply because they portrayed a world that everyone was currently living in.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:26AM) : the filmmakers showed audiences their world and made that work important because it was filmed
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Kim Brands Kim Brands (Feb 09 2016 2:15PM) : Timing more

I think timing was everything in the Lumiere Brothers’ movie. It is structured (for instance when you see the people leaving the factory and all walking to the left or the right, not paying attention the the camera) but it still shows how everyday life went in these days I guess. To show all the people leaving the factory at the end of the day or showing how the wall collapsed (and showing it backwards as an extra effect and to emphasize it) has everything to do with timing. If they would have showed some footage of the factory while everybody was still working or when that wall would not have collapsed (or the train station but then without a train arriving, and so on), it would have been way less exiting to watch.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 11:01AM) : Good examples. Timing, but also the arrangement of space.
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Wilde Diaz Wilde Diaz (Feb 11 2016 11:07AM) : The key in timing more

Whether it be filming the horses, workers coming out of the factory or the bicycle, if the shots were taken a particular way at a particular time it would portray a completely different message to the viewer. When the bicycle was in front of the factory, yes it portrays the advancement of transportation but what if it was in the floor and damaged? It would easily portray a message that this form of transportation is becoming obsolete.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2016 9:10AM) : Yes the look of the image can change the meaning.
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Ramiro Thompson Ramiro Thompson (May 19 2016 5:35PM) : timely presentation of the truth or a lie is crucial more

Timing is very important. Even when facts are presented, the director must show them in timely and sensible manner to get the intentional message across. The applies to points in a documentary that we know are not facts or the ones we interpret as not true. But the work Lumiere Brothers have done here mirrors the truth of people’s lives but the set up was successful due to time considerations.

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Andrew White Andrew White (Feb 09 2016 1:51PM) : Timing more

Timing is crucial because that is the essence of film. We are capturing time, manipulating it for a purpose. Shots have to be exact, on time, or not, depending on what your goal is.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 10:54AM) : Yes, a film without a sense of timing is likely to impede the viewer's ability to absorb what is seen.
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After watching the Lumiere Brothers Films, I was a tad bored but impressed. Within each of the 50 second long films a lot of action would take place. In some we actually were able to view 2 or 3 layers of different actions going on within the same 50-second film. This created great depth and respect for the visual content.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 21 2015 8:12AM) : Were you bored? Why? What depth and respect is being referred to?
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Feb 03 2016 10:33AM) : Depth and Respect more

I was not bored although I can see why some might have been. The clips shown were merely of everyday happenings, though groundbreaking for the time and a view into what the great cities of the world used to look like there is no significant event occurring in the clips. With this in mind the angles at which the clips were captures created depth because of the various diagonal and angular paths used by the moving subjects. The respect is created through the fact that almost instantly the Lumiere Brothers grasped the art of the motion picture and slowly developed a guideline for filming subjects in the most aesthetically pleasing fashion.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 04 2016 2:30PM) : Good point. They filmed actuality but then thought about how it could best be presented to the viewer.
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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (Feb 04 2016 8:07PM) : Bored? / A sense of respect more

With the advancements that we have made since the Lumiere brothers created this whole new category in the arts, I understand why someone who is not interested in the history film making might be bored watching their film. However, seeing the craft behind the pioneers of documentary, where it all started and how the Lumiere brothers went about it given the tools that they had creates this sense of respect.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:28AM) : a sense of history makes the films intriguing, not boring
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Mija Jimenez Perez Mija Jimenez Perez (Feb 04 2016 9:00PM) : Bored from watching the Lumière brothers.. more

I was honestly not bored while watching the film, but thé facture that it was a film from i’m guessing the 1800s, that the film was jumpy so i couldn’t totally focus. I was into thé film because it was thé start of innovation regarding film making.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:29AM) : the film becomes more interesting when you realize it is something new in history
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Ramiro Thompson Ramiro Thompson (May 19 2016 5:22PM) : I was not bored more

Right. I t wasn’t boring for me just because of the history its armed with. History in every form is very valuable as it teaches us something. Much respect is especially due to breakthrough of the work done here.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:29AM) : something new in history
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Patrick Malave Patrick Malave (Feb 04 2016 9:41PM) : More intrigued than bored more
I wouldn’t necessarily say I was bored watching the films as it was innovative for its time. Being able to see organic actions and movements for people on film is fascinating and refreshing, as it is always intriguing to see one being themselves rather than “acting” like themselves when everyone can see. The depth as mentioned came from the various angular views the Lumiere Brothers used to film the moving subjects, most notably shooting from the diagonal, which created reverse effects on screen. The respect of the Brothers’ mastery of filming in favorable ways for viewing.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:31AM) : Understanding the context in which the films were made also helps
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Mr. Jeremy Fillipp Mr. Jeremy Fillipp (Feb 04 2016 9:42PM) : Boredom/Depth and Respect more

While watching the documentary, I didn’t find myself bored, rather, having to watch it from a different point of view. I am used to watching documentaries in today’s format and watching it in the Lumiere’s format was different. I found myself watching more for the reactions and emotions of the people in the film. Also, since it was brought up in class, I found myself heavily focused on the angles they shot the scenes in. I cannot say that it is a documentary that I would watch to completion, but I found other aspects of the film interesting.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:32AM) : you do need to know what to look for
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (Feb 04 2016 11:11PM) : Respectfully bored. more

Some of their films are just very boring, it is in their nature. Seeing workers get off their shift in workmen clothes and then seeing them do the same in nice clothes is not very entertaining. Mainly because we are used to narratives and big explosions but some of their films are fascinating. Like the New York films where a hundred years ago there were horse and buggies still in the city. That is crazy to me to see how much has changed in such a small amount of time, NYC is unrecognizable.

We owe a lot of respect to the Lumiere Brothers because they brought film making to another level. They took something that was very new and scary to a lot of people and turned it into something that could be shown to a whole room of people. And even though it was so new to them, they were able to develop techniques that are still used today. Rule of thirds is a big part of their films to make each shot look dynamic. They also used a lot of diagonals to also make the shots more interesting.

Without some of these innovations film would be very different or nonexistent.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:33AM) : Historical perspective helps in appreciating the films.
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Errol Lewis Errol Lewis (Feb 04 2016 11:24PM) : Boredom more

I was far from bored. It’s interesting seeing how the moving image began as a simple concept that could only be dreamt and compare it to today’s technology as we utilize video still not even imagined. Think of the evolution of television. Programming moved from audio only heard on radio and then with the advent of the moving image we were able to transition to TV. From TV, we now watch things on our computers, laptops, cell phones, etc.

The respect given is how much we’ve come along since the Lumiere brothers first brought their idea to fruition before others could get theirs to work.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:34AM) : In these films we glimpse what is about to happen in modern cinema
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Joshua Wolfe Joshua Wolfe (Feb 04 2016 11:38PM) : Joshua Wolfe:Boredom, depth and respect more

The films that they were showing were simple actions that did not seek to entertain a viewer. Back then, the Lumiere brothers were simply trying open a new aspect of filming that was never seen before, which was the way they shot their pictures in odd, unique and different angles, that created a higher degree of depth in their films. Most people respect the creation of something new. However someone watching the films during that time period may have been amazed or really impressed by this new way of filming but to people today this is just not entertaining enough.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:35AM) : Yes, we react differently because we have seen so much film.
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Vanessa Ramos Vanessa Ramos (Feb 05 2016 7:11AM) : Bored? Why? more

I was a little bit bored, however, I do believe I am biased. We live in a generation where technology is so advanced and images are seen clearly and with much more depth. These films were mainly about life during that era and so it is difficult to relate. It is fascinating to see how much film has advanced and the thought process the Lumiere Brothers’ were going through when trying to depict a picture.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:36AM) : You expect certain things from film which the Lumeriere brothers are just beginning to discover
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Kim Brands Kim Brands (Feb 09 2016 2:20PM) : Not boring more

I was not bored although I would probably be if they would make a film like this today. Since we are so used to special effects, a lot of action and great camerawork, we are kind of spoiled actually when it comes to film. But to know this was something totally new in that time and that we are still using a lot of things the Lumiere Brothers invented (people walking certain ways, the train arriving in a straight line, as also the lines from the bridge and stuff) makes it a really interesting film to watch.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 11:02AM) : If you have a sense of history, an understand of what film meant to its first audience, then perhaps boredom does not become an issue.
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Wilde Diaz Wilde Diaz (Feb 11 2016 11:09AM) : Context more

It was mildly borrowing. Mainly probably because I had to watch it on my own in the library. None the less it can easily be borrowing because most people do not like watching other peoples lives unless it includes violence, drama or both. The Lumiere film depicts simple lives and starkly contrastive to the lives fulfilled by figures in our times such as the Kardashians.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2016 9:11AM) : Do you mean boring?
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Andrew White Andrew White (Feb 09 2016 1:53PM) : I was bored more

I was bored because I am spoiled, as we all may be,considering the time of era we inhabit. We are so used to grandiose shots, frames that tantalize us like never before. Film has evolved no doubt but for that time, for those viewers, it was splendid.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 10:56AM) : Yes, boredom may be the result of what you are conditioned to enjoy.
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The films were only fifty seconds long and they were often unscripted, thus making them look simple and uninteresting, but for the Lumiere brothers it was a breakthrough that changed how we view ourselves and other societies.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 21 2015 8:12AM) : Describe what is meant by breakthrough.
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Feb 03 2016 10:37AM) : Breakthrough more

The films were a breakthrough in a sense that it was an entirely new art form that could be used to show the range of human emotion and actions that had been recreated through arts and photography to that point. Today we may see these clips as boring but back then it was a way for people to see what other cities were like without going through the rigors of travel to visit them.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 04 2016 2:31PM) : And people could see "reality" through many different angles not otherwise available to them.
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Joshua Wolfe Joshua Wolfe (Feb 04 2016 11:26PM) : Breakthrough [Edited] more

Relatively speaking these films were a breakthrough because during that time period capturing a moving picture like that did not exist yet. It was the Lumiere brothers who sought out to create different angles, degrees, and positions to place the camera in order to illustrate much higher and sophisticated shots. Their films can be compared to the invention of the apple computers. They were both drastic modifications and improvements of previous technology that both ended up creating a whole new illustration that people didn’t yet see.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:38AM) : new ways of seeing and making everyone a part of that process
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:37AM) : we do not all see the clips as boring.
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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (Feb 04 2016 8:12PM) : How we view ourselves and other societies was completely changed with this ability to document through movement and not only still frames. more

How we view ourselves and other societies was completely changed with this ability to document through movement and not only still frames. Humans are not sculptures, so how can a photograph or a painting accurately document an event that can’t be told in just one picture? The Lumiere brothers created an entirely new medium.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:39AM) : yes, they were in a way liberators
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Mija Jimenez Perez Mija Jimenez Perez (Feb 04 2016 9:06PM) : What was meant by Breakthrough? more

The Lumière brothers discovered the way to capture actions and émotions on film.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:39AM) : how?
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Ramiro Thompson Ramiro Thompson (May 19 2016 6:08PM) : The Art more

Through staying true to the art and through hard work and passion. Specifically by figuring out camera techniques and positioning and also this goes back to timing.

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Patrick Malave Patrick Malave (Feb 04 2016 9:28PM) : Breakthrough more

It is a breakthrough in the sense that it changed the perception of how people viewed themselves and the world around them. People would usually derive their own meaning from written words and photographs to determine how a place or person was like. But being able to capture movement on film and apply a visual to their interpretations allowed for people to relate more with ideas and concepts through a new medium.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:40AM) : and they found people like themselves in the films
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Mr. Jeremy Fillipp Mr. Jeremy Fillipp (Feb 04 2016 9:55PM) : Breakthrough more

I think this film was considered to be a breakthrough in many aspects. First off, I think it was great that they were able to film different aspects over the country. Being able to see what life was like in New York and then being able to see what it was like in Chicago was a breakthrough to be able to compare lifestyles. I also believe that there was a breakthrough in the sense that they were able to capture the emotion and actions of people rather than just fifty seconds of film. So, in my opinion, this film paved the way for a lot of innovations in the film industry.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:40AM) : Film brought the world together in new ways
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Mr. Jeremy Fillipp Mr. Jeremy Fillipp (May 12 2016 5:11PM) : Power of Film more

That is one of my favorite parts about film. I believe that if a film has a strong enough topic where you are discussing it after it’s over, or helping people grieve, of giving people confidence, then the film has done it’s job.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 13 2016 8:08AM) : its
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (Feb 04 2016 11:13PM) : See question 6 more

Lots of their breakthroughs may have been on accident or intentional but what we know for sure is that they knew how to put together a shot. Their aesthetics for a scene and their timing really skyrocketed them into fame and notoriety.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:41AM) : They were willing to experiment.
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Errol Lewis Errol Lewis (Feb 04 2016 11:20PM) : Breakthrough means more

Breakthrough means something new or never been done before. The documentary film done by the Lumiere brothers showed a new concept of visualization. Previously it was unheard of to have moving photography.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:42AM) : Moving in space. showing what could only be described, drawn, painted before.
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Vanessa Ramos Vanessa Ramos (Feb 05 2016 7:14AM) : Breakthrough more

What the Lumiere Brothers’ accomplished is considered breakthrough simply because it was never done before. They found a way to convey emotions and actions of people to the public. They opened a lot of doors for future cinematographers.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:43AM) : Opened up the world to filmmakers and audiences.
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Kim Brands Kim Brands (Feb 09 2016 2:29PM) : Breakthrough more

The film was a breakthrough by showing things that have never been done before. As I have mentioned, the train arriving from far away and than coming closer to the screen is something which we still see today in a lot of movies. The people at the factory walking in certain ways, the lines from the bridge. The short scene with the kid standing on the hose was the first comedy, the people sitting outside in their garden with their baby at home the first home movie, the people laughing and drinking wine the first commercial, the wall collapsing and then showing it backwards the first special effects, and so on and so on. We can thank the Lumiere Brothers for a lot that we still see in films today and they made it possible for other filmmakers to continue with what they started.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 11:04AM) : Yes, the Lumiere brothers set certain examples and precedents.
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Wilde Diaz Wilde Diaz (Feb 11 2016 11:11AM) : Breaking through a barrier more

For many flying was not possible, so in a sense, the same concept of being able to film the world instead of just having a still image was revolutionary. No longer would people have to be confined to expressing one emotion but now an entire array of emotions and figures can be included and expressed.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2016 9:12AM) : I don't people have ever been confined to expressing one emotions. I'm not sure what your point is here.
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William Prystup William Prystup (Mar 29 2016 7:36PM) : William Prystup more

These films by the Lumiere brothers created an entirely new perspective on reality which concerned observing others. In these activities that were being filmed, normal daily activity was recorded. This made it unique to view considering other normal people (who performed daily activities themselves), would watch them. It’s like a double-vision on reality through a simple everyday lense.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 30 2016 6:43AM) : The film were revolutionary, making people, including he working class, the heroes of their own lives.
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Richard Caamano Richard Caamano (May 20 2016 10:25AM) : Breakthrough more

Within those 50 seconds, the Lumiere saw a medium in which they can show whatever they wanted. They used film as a way to show different sides of society. The people coming out of the the factory. A guy watering plants A baby eating with its parents. Different aspects of society were captured.

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Ramiro Thompson Ramiro Thompson (Feb 04 2016 11:04PM) : Did it really look that way to people back then? Because I was excited the first I saw myself on a film or something similar. more

I partially disagree I don’t think the film being unscripted makes uninteresting, actually seeing something like that in a long time or probably for the first is interesting to me. Humans like to observe. It gives us that pleasure to observe the scene. That is, the clothes, the movements, the background, the style, and the environment. Just wanted to throw that out there but of course, the Lumiere brotlens which then led to opportunities hers experienced something similar to a paradigm shift or maybe even that itself. An accomplishment like that is moment to remember. It gave us the first sense as to what we look like through that

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:43AM) : Yes, a new way for people to look at themselves.
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It was so interesting to see the progression of camera techniques they [the Lumiere brothers] discovered and how often they are used.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 21 2015 8:12AM) : Describe the progression of camera techniques.
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Feb 03 2016 10:44AM) : Camera Techniques more

The slow progression of camera techniques used begins with the straight on angle of the workers leaving the factory. Squared up with the building the camera capture the angular movement of all the workers moving throughout the frame. They then move to a wide shot of the busy street and to shots of train platforms with trains coming and going. They eventually begin to experiment with shots from the train while moving throughout the city. It is easy to see how this quick development of techniques can be described as a breakthrough

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 04 2016 2:32PM) : yes, moving the camera rather than just having the camera capture what is moving.
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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (Feb 04 2016 8:23PM) : It's crazy though because if you watch a documentary today, I'm sure you can draw a number of similarities between film making then and film making now. more

It’s crazy though because if you watch a documentary today, I’m sure you can draw a number of similarities between film making then and film making now. The progression of camera work must have been very interesting over time in terms of quality and technique, but similarities can definitely be drawn between todays film and the first documentaries even made which I find great.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:45AM) : the basic nature of film is evident early on but of course it takes decades to explore that nature
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Vanessa Ramos Vanessa Ramos (Feb 05 2016 7:20AM) : Progression of camera techniques more

In the Lumiere Brothers’ films, they used a side angle of the workers leaving their jobs. This created a different effect when visualizing that allowed the audience to feel connected, as though we were front and center watching. They used the technique of moving the camera as the people moved as well.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 05 2016 8:45AM) : Even the first audiences see the films as intimate, involving them.
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Kim Brands Kim Brands (Feb 09 2016 2:38PM) : Camera techniques more

You really see how the experimented with different shots and angles. They show people in their everyday lives and in different forms (at work, traveling, at home). The angles they used (people walking a certain way, the bridge) show that they did not just put the camera somewhere but were really thinking about it and even gave people instructions (do not walk towards the camera or look to it). Also the rewind of footage shows a technique. Not only do they want you to look at certain things (by placing the camera where they placed them) but also they want you to focus on some, by replaying it but in a different way. It is interesting because the film has been made so long ago but still has a lot of features of film as we know it today.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 11:05AM) : Or to put it another way: we cannot have the film of today without the Lumiere brothers.
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Ramiro Thompson Ramiro Thompson (May 19 2016 5:39PM) : How amazing was their efforts and creation more

A friend of mine is creating a documentary that involves this belief as well. Ill be happy to send the finished copy to you professor

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Wilde Diaz Wilde Diaz (Feb 11 2016 11:26AM) : Then and now more

For their time, experimenting with something literally “new” and “out the box” they did an amazing job. By analyzing how they direct and take shots of everything shows how they were so intimate with their work. This dedication and intimacy shows even today as some of the shots and directions you can see in films since.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2016 9:13AM) : Yes, quite amazing.
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Andrew White Andrew White (Feb 09 2016 1:55PM) : Camera techniques more

The Lumiere Brothers used what they knew as far angles and technique. As they began to experiment with camera placement, angle and lighting, progression is obviously taking place.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2016 10:57AM) : This what is meant by responding to the material conditions of filmmaking.
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Ramiro Thompson Ramiro Thompson (May 19 2016 6:04PM) : Truth more

I like key words here, “as they began”. What would have happen if the Lumiere brothers hadn’t “begin” their historic role. Can we even image it?

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