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CASSIDY DISCUSSES BIPARTISAN BILL TO REDUCT STUDENT LOAN DEBT ON "SUSPENDING THE RULES" PODCAST

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WASHINGTON—U.S. Senator Bill Cassidy, M.D. (R-LA), a member of the Senate education committee, recently joined the Bloomberg Government podcast “Suspending the Rules” to discuss the College Transparency Act (S. 1121), bipartisan legislation he helped author to give prospective college students access to consumer information that will help them choose the best higher education program that fits their needs.

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The bill is supported by Senators Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Joni Ernst (R-IA), Tim Kaine (D-VA), John Cornyn (R-TX), Dick Durbin (D-IL), Thom Tillis (R-NC), Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), Doug Jones (D-AL), Tim Scott (R-SC), Maggie Hassan (D-NH), Pat Roberts (R-KS), and Chris Murphy (D-CT).

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“Something needs to be done to make the student and the parents a better consumer of higher education,” Dr. Cassidy said. "The College Transparency Act will help students determine whether, if you go to my alma mater, Louisiana State University, and you graduate in petroleum engineering, and the oil market is up, then you can guess that your first year of income might be $100,000, and that you can expect a certain acceleration of your income. Or, if you go to another university and graduate in gender studies … and as a friend of mine said whose niece was graduating in such a program, it’s good preparation to become a barista. Now, this is not to denigrate the curriculum, it is just to observe what the financial opportunity is with that degree. So I think we need more people prepared to make more money and pay off their loans, and [fewer people prepared to make] less money and become mired in debt.”

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Katherine MacPhail Katherine MacPhail (Oct 12 2018 2:24PM) : I think this act would be a good idea, especially to help map out paths for students who aren't entirely sure of what path college will lead them to. Knowing what debt you would be in and how to get out of it with your future job seems like a smart plan.
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Katherine MacPhail Katherine MacPhail (Oct 12 2018 4:07PM) : Majors & Debt more

Even if the program wouldn’t criticize a certain major or curriculum, I feel as if it could lead students away from majoring in certain subjects (like gender studies, as previously mentioned). Seeing how much debt you would be in and the potential lack of jobs in a certain field may be disheartening.

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“I want to give power to the student and power to the student’s family,” he said. “We need it because we have $1.5 trillion in student loan debt and lots of kids are not finishing school because this curriculum is not right for them.

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Katherine MacPhail Katherine MacPhail (Oct 12 2018 4:04PM) : It is astounding that there is a total of $1.5 trillion in student loan debt. Clearly there is an issue and there needs to be a resolution.

“All I know is that if you work really hard, and you’ve got a good idea, and you work, work, work, sometimes good things happen. And that’s my philosophy on everything I do in the Senate,” Cassidy said. "The College Transparency Act is a great idea. As the parent of two kids in college—one’s graduate school, one’s undergrad—and another who’s on her way, I think it’s a great idea. And I do think that if we continue to work, work, work, we can pass it."

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College debt continues to grow, but more slowly than before

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Recent college graduates nationwide have a little more student debt than their predecessors do.

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A report issued Wednesday found that 65 percent of the 2017 graduates of public and private nonprofit colleges and universities had to borrow money to complete their studies.

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Katherine MacPhail Katherine MacPhail (Oct 12 2018 4:27PM) : It is very odd and scary to think that over half of all college students had to borrow money in order to complete college.
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These borrowers owed an average of $28,650 — 1 percent more than the Class of 2016.

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The Class of 2017 at North Carolina colleges fared a little better, according to the report from the Institute for College Access & Success. Fifty-seven percent of graduates took out an average of $26,526 in college loans.

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Among the state’s public universities, the average debt load ranged from a high of $34,379 at N.C. A&T (where 90 percent of students borrowed for college) to a low of $15,669 at Western Carolina University (where 61 percent of graduates borrowed).

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Among private N.C. colleges, the average loan amounts ranged from $38,443 at Chowan University to $15,939 at Pfeiffer University. Several area schools, including Guilford College, Elon University, High Point University and Wake Forest University, had average debt of more than $30,000.

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Data was not available for all North Carolina schools.

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Graduates of Connecticut colleges had the nation’s highest average debt burden — an average of $38,510, according to the report. Utah graduates had the nation’s lowest average debt amount of $18,838.

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Katherine MacPhail Katherine MacPhail (Oct 12 2018 4:11PM) : This is particularly applicable and scary because I will be attending college in Connecticut!

The report said there has been a recent slowdown in the growth of student debt. It cited three possible reasons: colleges aren’t raising their prices quite as quickly as they once were, colleges are awarding more financial aid and states have increased their spending on higher education.

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Katherine MacPhail Katherine MacPhail (Oct 12 2018 4:15PM) : These reasons all seem very valid, but I think the fact that colleges are awarding more financial aid is the most applicable.

But TICAS President James Kvaal said in a statement that while student loans “can be an excellent investment, there is a crisis among the millions of students who struggle to repay their loans, and they are disproportionately students of color or from low-income families.”

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The 13th annual report on debt at college graduation by TICAS, a nonprofit organization based in Oakland, Calif., made several policy recommendations.

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Among them: the federal government should increase the amount of the Pell Grant, states should award scholarships based on financial need instead of academic merit and more borrowers should be steered toward income-based repayment plans that reduce monthly student loan bills.

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Three generations share 1 problem: Student debt

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It is the massive -- and growing -- financial burden weighing on three generations in the U.S.: student debt. Up to 40 percent of Americans have had to put off financial and personal goals in order to repay their college loans, data show.

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According to a recent survey by AARP and advocacy group the Association of Young Americans, more than a third of millennials and baby boomers report not being able to buy a a home because of difficulty repaying that debt. A quarter of Gen-Xers said they'd been unable to buy a car because of student loans.

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Katherine MacPhail Katherine MacPhail (Oct 12 2018 4:29PM) : In addition to student debt being a scary thing in general, it is even scarier to think that student loans and debts can set you back so far in life that you aren't able to purchase a home or car.
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The findings are based on a survey of 5,000 adults. The average total student debt by generation among those who carried education loans was similar: $41,000 for millennials (those born between 1981 and 1996, according to the Census Bureau); $39,000 for Gen-X (1965-1980) and $38,000 for boomers (1946 to 1964).

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That debt is also endangering retirement for some boomers. Roughly a third of Americans in that age range who still carry student loans said repaying the debt hampered them from putting money away.

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Katherine MacPhail Katherine MacPhail (Oct 12 2018 4:31PM) : Although I wasn't entirely sure of this in the first place, I never thought that student loans could drag on until one's retirement.

College debt in the U.S. recently hit a new milestone, surpassing $1.5 trillion for the first time, while the cost of higher education continues to rise an average of 3 percent per year. Student debt has continued to rise even as the U.S. economy has strengthened and as Americans have pared other kinds of debt.

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The shifting economics are causing some Americans to rethink the value of college. A majority of respondents in each generation group told the AARP the cost of college wasn't worth the payoff. And more than two-thirds of those surveyed think colleges and universities should share the financial responsibility with students who default on their loans.

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Katherine MacPhail Katherine MacPhail (Oct 12 2018 4:32PM) : If possible, I think that this could be a helpful strategy. In order to keep enrollment high, it may be necessary since people feel as if college isn't as valuable as it used to be.

Despite the potential financial repercussion of borrowing to pay for school, however, labor data show that investing in education generally pays off. College graduates tend to have significantly higher lifetime earnings than those without degrees and are also more likely to be employed. A recent Hamilton project report found the employment rate for college-educated Americans stands at about 73 percent, compared with 55 percent for those with just a high school degree.

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DMU Timestamp: September 17, 2018 17:21

Added November 02, 2018 at 1:53pm by Katherine MacPhail
Title: Opposing view

The student loan debt crisis is overblown. The real problem is college completion rates.

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Four myths about the higher education crisis — and four promising reforms.

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Commentators, politicians, and journalists have thrown themselves — and, in turn, the public — into a state of persistent panic about the future of higher education with scary talk about spiraling student-loan debt, worthless degrees, and reckless spending by colleges.

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But the doomsaying is overblown. American higher education is by no means a disaster area, and it is unlikely to become one in the foreseeable future. Yes, the system does have serious faults and faces significant challenges — but the biggest challenges tend not to be the ones generating the most excitement. Panic is rarely a desirable state of mind either for identifying or solving problems. Clearing away the underbrush of alarmist claims can help us focus more effectively on higher education’s actual problems while also recognizing its significant strengths.

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Here are four myths that often recur in commentary about American higher education (followed by four significant problems that suffer from neglect in the current panic-stricken discussion):

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1) Most college graduates are not being crushed by a mountain of debt

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Forty percent of public-college students owe nothing when they graduate, and the vast majority of people with six-figure borrowing for higher education have gone to graduate or professional school — often financing medical, dental, or other degrees that are likely to lead to very good incomes. Among the 60 percent of public-college bachelor’s recipients in 2013-14 who did borrow, the average amount was $25,500.

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Powerful new data from the US Treasury department makes clear that the people who are most likely to get in trouble with debt are those who dropped out of college before they earned a credential, and who therefore have weak job prospects. Often they have borrowed relatively little money but have few resources and no doubt little enthusiasm for repaying what they owe. Dropouts are almost three times as likely to default on their loans as graduates are. It is this subgroup’s debt that ought to be driving the conversation, not the debt of the "average" college student.

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2) Free tuition is no solution to the most serious problems we face

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Katherine MacPhail Katherine MacPhail (Nov 02 2018 2:01PM) : Compared to previous articles more

This is interesting because previous articles have said opposing things to this stance on free tuition. In this section, I can agree that maybe successful people maybe should pay back some of the loans once they enter the workforce, but I do not like the statement that “we are all in this together.”

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With apologies to Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton: Tuition-free college is way less help than some people need and way more than others require. Free tuition won’t let a single mom quit her job and go to college full time (the path that would afford her the best odds of finishing), nor will it permit the young Native American from an impoverished family to go away to State U instead of staying home to earn money to help out at home.

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Disadvantaged students need substantial help with living expenses as well as with covering their tuition. Meanwhile — an oft-repeated point still worth stressing— there is surely no reason why Donald Trump’s children, or Chelsea Clinton’s, ought to go to college for free. But there is also no reason why a two-earner, one-child family generating a combined income of $110,000 a year (well above the national average) should not be expected to contribute at least a couple of thousand dollars a year to their child’s education. We are all in this together.

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If we want our least advantaged people to have a decent shot at success, we all need some restraint in asserting our privileges. Moreover, there is no reason why students themselves, who stand to reap significant benefits from investing in education — the average bachelor’s graduate aged 25 to 29 makes about $20,000 more per year than the average high school graduate of the same age, and the gap continues to grow with age — should not repay a portion of the cost through loans once they enter the workforce.

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3) College students are not ending up working as baristas

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College degrees, and bachelor’s degrees especially, pay off big-time. It is certainly a mistake to think that the point of life, or of college, is to make as much money as possible, but there is nothing foolish about expecting that an investment of substantial time and money in one’s future will yield the prospect of a better material life.

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The financial crash generated lots of stories about recent college graduates being unemployed or taking so-called non-college jobs. In fact, though, for decades the unemployment rate for people with only a high school degree has consistently been about twice as high as that for those with bachelor’s degrees. In 2015, 5.4 percent of high school grads aged 25 and over were unemployed, compared to 2.8 percent for BA holders. The figure for those with advanced degrees was even lower. What’s more, recent years have seen the highest ratio of BA-to-high-school earnings in history. The worst outcomes occur for those who have only a high school diploma or less.

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Of course, some high school grads will out-earn many college grads, and some college grads will wind up with very disappointing careers. But as Damon Runyan once allegedly said, "The race is not always to the swift nor the battle to the strong, but that is how the smart money bets." On balance, getting a BA pays off.

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4) It’s not "academic bloat" that has been pushing public-college tuition up

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It’s the failure of state government funding to keep up with enrollment growth. In most of public higher education, the number of non-faculty staff has actually fallen modestly in recent decades, while the faculty-to-student ratio has actually grown a bit.

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College leaders are nobody’s idea of efficiency experts, but public colleges and universities have in fact done some belt tightening. And no wonder, when we see that state appropriations to higher education per student fell in real terms by 14 percent from 2005 to 2015. What belt tightening there has been has not been nearly adequate to balance college budgets in the face of this tremendous revenue decline. Colleges have sought to make up the difference through raising prices.

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Unfortunately, state governments don’t turn out to be a very satisfying villain for those looking for a scapegoat for higher tuition. It’s not that states have been aiming to punish universities — at least outside Wisconsin — but rather that growing enrollment demand has pushed up against other heavy pressures on state finances, including rising Medicaid costs, growing expenditures for K-12 education, and a popular climate that is very resistant to tax increases. These pressures are unlikely to reverse themselves in any near future. The search for someone more satisfying to blame – like rapacious deans – may help explain why a writer like the law professor Paul Campos would throw together a shockingly incoherent set of data in the New York Times — a number salad — to make a totally unconvincing case for administrative bloat. Why the Times elected to publish it is harder to account for.

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Katherine MacPhail Katherine MacPhail (Nov 02 2018 2:03PM) : I actually was buying into this point, but I really do not think that the addition of this sentence was necessary. It only brings out the author's bias and makes it seem like this section is really only to spite people like Paul Campos.
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Four genuine challenges — with proposals for reform

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Rather than focusing on the overhyped problems, we should:

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1) Improve the dismal rate at which students complete the postsecondary programs they start

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Uncompleted college programs waste students’ time and money, and often lead to little or no benefit for them or for society. The census reports that for the population aged 25 to 34, a bachelor’s level graduate has mean annual earnings about $20,000 higher than does a high school graduate. But a student who has some college but no degree only out-earns the high school graduate by $2,000. College access — helping more people get into a decent college in the first place — is by no means a solved problem in this nation. But improving success — reducing the extent to which people who start a degree or certificate program leave with nothing — is at this point a more serious problem than initial access.

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America is still the most educated society in the world, but recent generations are not keeping up that record as other countries expand entry rates while keeping completion rates higher than ours. Most disturbingly, graduation rates are much lower for students from disadvantaged economic, racial and ethnic backgrounds than for others, and these are the groups whose members are most dependent on education for social advancement. No doubt this stems partly from deficient educational opportunities at earlier levels of schooling, but there is growing evidence that systematic, intensive, and data-aware reforms in postsecondary institutions can measurably improve results.

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A serious difficulty is that students from disadvantaged backgrounds generally have significantly less money spent on their education than their better prepared and better financed peers.

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A serious difficulty is that students from disadvantaged backgrounds generally have significantly less money spent on their education than their better prepared and better financed peers.

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Although a perfect apples-to-apples comparison is hard to achieve, spending per student is roughly twice as high at public research universities as at community colleges — which disproportionately serve the disadvantaged. Even bachelors’ and masters’ institutions spend about 50 percent more on every student than community colleges do. And almost all the proven programs that boost completion rates for students at broad access colleges — like the celebrated Accelerated Study in Associate Programs at CUNY — cost non-trivial amounts of money. Directing money to the schools and programs that help poor students is incomparably more important than reducing the debt load of upper-middle-class graduates of good colleges.

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2) Cut some low-ranking PhD programs, and trim others

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It’s undeniable that higher education has to become cheaper and more effective. The best way to attract funds for support of public investments in college is to demonstrate that colleges make good use of the money they get. So higher education will have to bite some bullets by challenging long-honored practices that have become pretty clearly dysfunctional.

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One good example of a dysfunctional practice is the radical disconnect between the number of new PhDs produced annually in various fields and the academic jobs available. Even in the face of an obvious oversupply nationally of academic PhDs in a variety of fields — not just a few humanities subjects — the internal machinery of recruiting and training graduate students, deploying them as teaching assistants, and pushing them off into an unfriendly world grinds on apace. This is a costly apparatus that in many cases serves better the interests of prestige-seeking deans and faculty than of students or the nation.

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3) Professionalize adjuncts, creating a strong cadre of college-level faculty whose main responsibility is good teaching

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About 70 percent of all faculty in the US are "contingent or "non-tenure track" faculty, a share that has grown relentlessly in recent decades. Far too many of these contingent faculty have miserable pay and working conditions, and very little job security. No matter how well-motivated these faculty are, their circumstances interfere with them doing their best work. Expanding the tenured ranks dramatically is not a realistic solution to this problem, but investing in a more stable career structure for contingent faculty would pay real dividends for colleges and universities — not least in providing a concrete demonstration that these outfits really care about teaching. Such reform would include suitable training, reasonable job security, and recognition of excellent work.

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4) Figure out how to close or merge small, inefficient colleges

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The nation simply has too many private liberal arts colleges that are individually too small to function well. Extremely small colleges, with fewer than, say, 800 students, have serious trouble maintaining and staffing a full curriculum and have few students over whom to spread the cost of paying a president, operating a swimming pool, and so on. These enrollment-hungry colleges often spend too much of their limited resources trying to "steal" applicants from one another with fancy facilities or merit aid.

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The small college experience is valuable for some students, and there is every reason to maintain and even increase the number of students who have that experience. It is much harder to rationalize having the students spread over so many campuses that are individually too small. Running three 400-student campuses is far more expensive, and probably educationally inferior, to running a single 1,200 student campus. A significant amount of consolidation is called for. Shuttering a college is neither easy nor costless, and in some cases the impacts on communities, existing faculty, and the feelings of alumni are real and painful. (Which is why such decisions get reversed.)

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Three steps would help. First, establish a set of regional clearinghouses that could help broker mergers among colleges and assist in arranging placements for faculty and staff who lose their jobs when a campus shuts down. Second, have each clearinghouse work with colleges in its region to establish the equivalent of a "base closing commission" to advocate for consolidation plans. Finally, get states with many small colleges to establish "safe harbor" provisions for trustees that provide a framework that will protect them from last-minute attempts to undo their plans.

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Katherine MacPhail Katherine MacPhail (Nov 02 2018 2:07PM) : I am glad that the authors included this section in order to help back up this claim, but I still think that this step is really not necessary or efficient for a reason why or how student drop out rates can be lessened.
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Besides tackling big specific issues like these, colleges have to set upon the patient, incremental work of learning how to do their work more carefully and more reliably. This requires hard thinking and reliable evidence about how to teach better and how to help students make better choices about their plans based on systematic feedback.

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But to undertake that work with patience and intelligence, we need to first turn off — or tune out — all the false alarms.

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