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Armenian Genocide of 1915: An Overview

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By JOHN KIFNER
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On the eve of World War I, there were two million Armenians in the declining Ottoman Empire. By 1922, there were fewer than 400,000. The others — some 1.5 million — were killed in what historians consider a genocide.
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Joaquin Williams Joaquin Williams (Mar 04 2019 7:55PM) : Why would historians only "consider" it a genocide? Killing 3/4 of a group on purpose is a clear example of genocide. [Edited]
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Sir Nico Dacong Sir Nico Dacong (Mar 01 2019 12:06AM) : Who was the one killing everyone? Was it citizens or people from another country?
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Matthew Hendrickson Matthew Hendrickson (Mar 01 2019 1:17PM) : A Quick Thought: more

I wonder if Adolf Hitler had some inspiration from this horrible genocide, as he did a similar thing dung WW2.

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Liam Hinson Liam Hinson (Mar 01 2019 2:38PM) : Perhaps more

I guess we’ll never really know a true answer

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Cool Guy Evan Higdon (Mar 01 2019 1:28PM) : The fact that the population dropped by 1.6 million is crazy to me, what could they have done to deserve this?
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Jaren Leach Jaren Leach (Mar 01 2019 12:28AM) : A loss of over three quarters would be detrimental to a society, it makes sense that they weren't able to overcome it. If we lost three quarters of the people in America chaos would pursue.
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Dr. Connor Wilde Dr. Connor Wilde (Mar 01 2019 11:02AM) : Why? more

Why would the Ottoman Empire kill over a million and a half Armenians.

As David Fromkin put it in his widely praised history of World War I and its aftermath, “A Peace to End All Peace”: “Rape and beating were commonplace. Those who were not killed at once were driven through mountains and deserts without food, drink or shelter. Hundreds of thousands of Armenians eventually succumbed or were killed .”

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Carson Okano Carson Okano (Mar 01 2019 12:46AM) : I wonder if something worse than this was happening before to make them think that beating, starving, and deserting people was peace. [Edited]
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Brenden Streeter Brenden Streeter (Feb 28 2019 11:36PM) : It is called "A peace to end all peace" yet they murder millions, and then abandon others without materials for survival... Nice!
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Student Caelen Streeter Student Caelen Streeter (Feb 28 2019 11:43PM) : Erm... What part of rape and beating has to do with peace?....
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Kate Higgins Kate Higgins (Mar 01 2019 1:07AM) : I am aware that this was after WWI, but why were the people convinced that this could be labeled as “peace?”
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Nina van Hoorn Nina van Hoorn (Mar 01 2019 12:37PM) : It may have been labeled as a peacful time period simply because it was during the beginning of WWI and was therefore peacful in comparison to the harsh time . [Edited]
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Dr. Connor Wilde Dr. Connor Wilde (Mar 01 2019 11:40AM) : This isn't peace. more

Peace doesn’t seem like rape and beating. Peace does not seem like killing over a million people.

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Stephan Takacs Stephan Takacs (Feb 28 2019 10:35PM) : Why was it called a "A Peace to End All Peace" if everyone was killed?
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Sir Nico Dacong Sir Nico Dacong (Mar 01 2019 12:10AM) : What was the motive behind the genocide?
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Sir Joey Barrett Sir Joey Barrett (Mar 01 2019 12:43AM) : What does "succumbed" reference?
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Dr. Connor Wilde Dr. Connor Wilde (Mar 01 2019 11:34AM) : How was this peace more

How is killing millions called the “Peace to end all Peace”?

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Lord King Pope Prof. Sir. Mr. Dr. The 7th. Zion Joy-Dean Lord King Pope Prof. Sir. Mr. Dr. The 7th. Zion Joy-Dean (Mar 01 2019 1:06PM) : How can a war be referred as "A Peace to End All Peace" if the people affected were either killed or forced to be displaced. This is another example in history were countries are fueled by economic and social gain.
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Cool Guy Evan Higdon (Mar 01 2019 1:37PM) : The fact that the people who weren't killed immediately were sent into the desert to die shows that this is not peace, the people were forced to die.
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Jakob Newcomer Jakob Newcomer (Mar 05 2019 1:12AM) : Why is it that the title "A peace to end all peace" sound just a tad bit ironic? I feel like it should be called plain murder.
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The man who invented the word “genocide”— Raphael Lemkin, a lawyer of Polish-Jewish origin — was moved to investigate the attempt to eliminate an entire people by accounts of the massacres of Armenians. He did not, however, coin the word until 1943, applying it to Nazi Germany and the Jews in a book published a year later, “Axis Rule in Occupied Europe.”

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Sir Joey Barrett Sir Joey Barrett (Mar 01 2019 12:42AM) : It does not give us a definition of genocide to use.

But to Turks, what happened in 1915 was, at most, just one more messy piece of a very messy war that spelled the end of a once-powerful empire. They reject the conclusions of historians and the term genocide, saying there was no premeditation in the deaths, no systematic attempt to destroy a people. Indeed, in Turkey today it remains a crime — “insulting Turkishness” — to even raise the issue of what happened to the Armenians.

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Rameel Nazir Rameel Nazir (Feb 28 2019 8:13PM) : If there really was no systematic attempt to destroy the Armenians would there be any less or more deaths?
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Student Aaron Markowitz Student Aaron Markowitz (Feb 28 2019 10:52PM) : So they didn't think much of it? If it were me, I would have many opinions and I wouldn't think light of it.
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Jaren Leach Jaren Leach (Mar 01 2019 12:32AM) : It seems impossible to consider this as small an issue as it is made out to be. This is a great example of how a government can nearly erase something from history and it is just accepted by the people.
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214th Sir Dr. Louis Cuneo-Bordessa 214th Sir Dr. Louis Cuneo-Bordessa (Mar 01 2019 12:46AM) : This is crazy how they denied it and said, in one way or another, "It wasn't us." It was most certainly a systematic attempt to destroy and eliminate them.
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Kate Higgins Kate Higgins (Mar 01 2019 1:14AM) : I understand why the Turks would rather avoid the subject, but I believe they should acknowledge that the event occurred. It changed (and ended) the lives of many, and is still historically significant.
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Sr. Abraham Burroughs Sr. Abraham Burroughs (Mar 01 2019 2:27AM) : Why not own up to it? every country has done bad things more

Why wouldn’t they own up to the deaths years after it happened? It doesn’t reflect them anymore and each country has made mistakes in its past

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Dr. Connor Wilde Dr. Connor Wilde (Mar 01 2019 10:59AM) : I understand why they would deny killing 1.5 million people. more

I understand why they would deny killing 1.5 million people. It seems odd that other countries would not help.

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Prof. Jasper Pamatmat Prof. Jasper Pamatmat (Mar 01 2019 11:50AM) : What could they have gained by denying the term(s)?
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Nina van Hoorn Nina van Hoorn (Mar 01 2019 12:42PM) : Its interesting that the Turks were willing to overlook their bad situation and not play victim, instead belittling what was happening in a way
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Cool Guy Evan Higdon (Mar 01 2019 1:31PM) : How could the people of Turkey still deny what had happened even after everyone found out. They should have taken the blame for it.
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Jakob Newcomer Jakob Newcomer (Mar 07 2019 9:25PM) : I think its ridiculous that you can cause such an uproar, slaughter so many people and yet deny the fact that you took those lives.
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Corbin Rosemon Corbin Rosemon (Feb 28 2019 10:49PM) : That in itself makes a lot of sense, it's like saying "I hate America" to Uncle Sam. So I get the fact that bringing up what happened to the Armenians is offensive
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Vivi Monterroso Vivi Monterroso (Feb 28 2019 11:34PM) : I think it's really interesting how they don't think of it as a big deal. It's not considered as big as the holocaust but it's still mass killing.
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Lord King Pope Prof. Sir. Mr. Dr. The 7th. Zion Joy-Dean Lord King Pope Prof. Sir. Mr. Dr. The 7th. Zion Joy-Dean (Mar 01 2019 1:15PM) : I agree with that statement. Why isn't this mass Armenian Genocide considered in the same caliber as the Holocaust. There should be an equal amount of consequences as opposed to one being forgotten in history.
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Student Caelen Streeter Student Caelen Streeter (Feb 28 2019 11:52PM) : That sounds really traumatic and horrible, I would hate to relive something like that.
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Nina van Hoorn Nina van Hoorn (Mar 01 2019 12:44PM) : I wonder why they would not embrace their history and teach people about it to prevent the repeat of event. Though it is a sensitive subject, it is interesting that they hide their history this much.

In the United States, a powerful Armenian community centered in Los Angeles has been pressing for years for Congress to condemn the Armenian genocide. Turkey, which cut military ties to France over a similar action, has reacted with angry threats. A bill to that effect nearly passed in the fall of 2007, gaining a majority of co-sponsors and passing a committee vote. But the Bush administration, noting that Turkey is a critical ally — more than 70 per cent of the military air supplies for Iraq go through the Incirlik airbase there — pressed for the bill to be withdrawn, and it was.

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Prof. Calvinn K.-Sing. Prof. Calvinn K.-Sing. (Feb 28 2019 7:40PM) : It's too often that those rallying for peace or safety are met with threats of endangerment.
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Lord King Pope Prof. Sir. Mr. Dr. The 7th. Zion Joy-Dean Lord King Pope Prof. Sir. Mr. Dr. The 7th. Zion Joy-Dean (Mar 01 2019 12:54PM) : I think it is important to discuss past genocides and condemn them like Congress is attempting to do. As opposed to sweeping the events under the rug. [Edited] Tags: #hashtag
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Matthew Hendrickson Matthew Hendrickson (Mar 01 2019 1:21PM) : Look below more

Would it be too difficult to do this? Why would the United States just pass off the Armenian genocide? They should condemn it, in my opinion.

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Ya boi E-swag T(he better Ethan) Ya boi E-swag T(he better Ethan) (Mar 01 2019 2:25PM) : I think it should have been obvious for the American government to condem this, but I guess bad acts in the U.S haven’t been condemned either
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Mr. Dr. Professor Alexander Kosoff Mr. Dr. Professor Alexander Kosoff (Feb 28 2019 10:07PM) : Aren't Turkey and France in the same military alliance, NATO?
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Student Aaron Markowitz Student Aaron Markowitz (Feb 28 2019 10:53PM) : What did the bill specifically entail?
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Joaquin Williams Joaquin Williams (Mar 04 2019 7:58PM) : If the public voted to condemn the genocide, it should have been condemned. One military base can't be that much more important than doing something to atone for the past, however small.
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The roots of the genocide lie in the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

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Micah Reyes Micah Reyes (Mar 01 2019 11:19AM) : Everything starts from something and it is interesting to think that this all led to the root cause of the genocide of WW2
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Tristan Archer Tristan Archer (Mar 01 2019 1:22PM) : When a country goes through and commits mass murder, karma tends to be swift
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Jakob Newcomer Jakob Newcomer (Mar 07 2019 9:20PM) : I think that its interesting how the fall of something so large can impact so many at the same time
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The empire’s ruler was also the caliph, or leader of the Islamic community. Minority religious communities, like the Christian Armenians, were allowed to maintain their religious, social and legal structures, but were often subject to extra taxes or other measures.

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Rameel Nazir Rameel Nazir (Feb 28 2019 8:02PM) : Was adding extra taxes and other measures a way to convert the other religions to Islam or drive them out in any way.
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Student Caelen Streeter Student Caelen Streeter (Feb 28 2019 11:55PM) : Who was the empire's ruler? Does it specify?
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Student Aaron Markowitz Student Aaron Markowitz (Feb 28 2019 10:48PM) : So they were to pay for the kind of life they wanted to live? That doesn't seem very moral.
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Vivi Monterroso Vivi Monterroso (Feb 28 2019 11:37PM) : It sounds to me like the government wasn't paying much attention to what was happening religiously and this can definitely lead to the downfall of a country.
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Brenden Streeter Brenden Streeter (Feb 28 2019 11:39PM) : This happened a lot way back in history, but for this to happen just 97 years ago is quite something to think about.
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Student Caelen Streeter Student Caelen Streeter (Feb 28 2019 11:59PM) : Why do some people pay extra for other humans to practice their own religions? Our species is very weird....
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Carson Okano Carson Okano (Mar 01 2019 12:51AM) : It baffles me that some people had to pay just to be able to remain loyal to their beliefs. This is a good example of how far some places in the world have progressed.
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Kate Higgins Kate Higgins (Mar 01 2019 1:19AM) : Being forced to pay for the ability to practice your own beliefs? Inequalities like this can often cause conflicts between the oppressors and the oppressed.
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Sarah Cornett Sarah Cornett (Mar 04 2019 6:05PM) : They let their citizens be who they are, but punished them for it at the same time. Almost as if they were discouraging the diversity of their citizens.
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Jakob Newcomer Jakob Newcomer (Mar 07 2019 9:26PM) : So they could believe in what they wanted to but for a price? Why not just say your not a part of the religion and instead practice it in private?

Concentrated largely in eastern Anatolia, many of them merchants and industrialists, Armenians, historians say, appeared markedly better off in many ways than their Turkish neighbors, largely small peasants or ill-paid government functionaries and soldiers.

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At the turn of the 20th Century, the once far-flung Ottoman empire was crumbling at the edges, beset by revolts among Christian subjects to the north — vast swaths of territory were lost in the Balkan Wars of 1912-13 — and the subject of coffee house grumbling among Arab nationalist intellectuals in Damascus and elsewhere.

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Stephan Takacs Stephan Takacs (Feb 28 2019 10:11PM) : Why where tensions drawn so thin in the Ottoman empire?
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Sir Nico Dacong Sir Nico Dacong (Mar 01 2019 12:15AM) : One must wonder if religion was a motive for the genocide.
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Liam Hinson Liam Hinson (Mar 01 2019 2:49PM) : That isn't a bad idea for the cause since religion was still an iffy area.
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Jaren Leach Jaren Leach (Mar 01 2019 12:36AM) : What were the reasons for the revolts in the nation, or was it just the extra tax?
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Sir Joey Barrett Sir Joey Barrett (Mar 01 2019 12:45AM) : Do all empires end in such a bloody fashion?
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Sir Joey Barrett Sir Joey Barrett (Mar 01 2019 12:49AM) : What Constitution was the empire running off of where this was legal?
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The Young Turk movement of ambitious, discontented junior army officers seized power in 1908, determined to modernize, strengthen and “Turkify” the empire. They were led by what became an all-powerful triumvirate sometimes referred to as the Three Pashas.

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Mr. Dr. Professor Alexander Kosoff Mr. Dr. Professor Alexander Kosoff (Feb 28 2019 10:12PM) : This seems similar to other nationalistic movements that look to strengthen their nation through nationality, and marginalize other races.
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Vivi Monterroso Vivi Monterroso (Feb 28 2019 11:39PM) : Does "junior army officers" refer to teenagers? If this is the case, that can lead to a lot of disaster because they probably won't make good decisions.
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214th Sir Dr. Louis Cuneo-Bordessa 214th Sir Dr. Louis Cuneo-Bordessa (Mar 01 2019 12:50AM) : This is another example in history where people take up violence to attempt the achievement progress.
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Matthew Hendrickson Matthew Hendrickson (Mar 01 2019 1:23PM) : This is very much like many other movements during that period. This shows that a huge part of this genocide was because of Turkish nationalism.
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In March of 1914, the Young Turks entered World War I on the side of Germany. They attacked to the east, hoping to capture the city of Baku in what would be a disastrous campaign against Russian forces in the Caucuses. They were soundly defeated at the battle of Sarikemish.

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Travis Pace Travis Pace (Mar 01 2019 1:19PM) : entering war more

The nation was already pretty unstable, any ideas on why they chose to enter the war. It seems like a really risky move.

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Ma lak Smith Ma lak Smith (Mar 01 2019 2:40PM) : The Turks wanted a city while fighting with Germany, as stated in the second sentence
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Armenians in the area were blamed for siding with the Russians and the Young Turks began a campaign to portray the Armenians as a kind of fifth column, a threat to the state. Indeed, there were Armenian nationalists who acted as guerrillas and cooperated with the Russians. They briefly seized the city of Van in the spring of 1915.

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Sr. Abraham Burroughs Sr. Abraham Burroughs (Mar 01 2019 2:31AM) : Motive for committing genocide more

If this hadn’t happened there may not have been a motive for committing the genocide.

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Joaquin Williams Joaquin Williams (Mar 04 2019 8:12PM) : Seems pretty similar to what happened in World War Two. A country has a military failure or depression, and blames it on a disliked minority to provide an excuse for genocide.
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Prof. Calvinn K.-Sing. Prof. Calvinn K.-Sing. (Feb 28 2019 7:29PM) : Propaganda Usage more

The split of the nation between Armenians and Turkish is fascinating with siding with opposite sides of the war and adding propaganda.

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Mr. Dr. Professor Alexander Kosoff Mr. Dr. Professor Alexander Kosoff (Feb 28 2019 10:23PM) : The Armenians have already faced the first four steps on the road to genocide, Classification, Symbolization, Discrimination, and now they are facing dehumanization. Turkey is on the path to full genocide at this point.
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Brenden Streeter Brenden Streeter (Feb 28 2019 11:44PM) : At this point Turkey is portraying the Armenians as enemies just because a few of them supported Russia.
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Kate Higgins Kate Higgins (Mar 01 2019 1:24AM) : Again, history repeats itself. A whole nationality takes the blame for the opinions and actions of a few individuals.
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Lord King Pope Prof. Sir. Mr. Dr. The 7th. Zion Joy-Dean Lord King Pope Prof. Sir. Mr. Dr. The 7th. Zion Joy-Dean (Mar 01 2019 12:58PM) : The Armenians were demonized by the Turks due to their natural instinct to side with the Russians so they could survive the attack.
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Liam Hinson Liam Hinson (Mar 01 2019 2:46PM) : The Armenians seem to have had enemies that it never even wanted.
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Armenians mark the date April 24, 1915, when several hundred Armenian intellectuals were rounded up, arrested and later executed as the start of the Armenian genocide and it is generally said to have extended to 1917. However, there were also massacres of Armenians in 1894, 1895, 1896, 1909, and a reprise between 1920 and 1923.

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Stephan Takacs Stephan Takacs (Feb 28 2019 10:14PM) : Did all of the massacres consist of hundreds and what sources are the dates and numbers coming from?
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Sr. Abraham Burroughs Sr. Abraham Burroughs (Mar 01 2019 2:32AM) : No excuse to commit genocide, even if they're at war. more

Although the 2 countries were at war, there is no excuse to commit genocide on a mass scale. Especially if they aren’t even part of the war effort.

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Ma lak Smith Ma lak Smith (Mar 01 2019 2:47PM) : I agree. However, I must point out, that some countries will go to GREAT lengths to win wars, battles, or even to accomplish life goals, even if GENOCIDE is the way to do it. SOMEONE SOMEWHERE is going to bring up some excuse to justify an inhuman act.
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Nina van Hoorn Nina van Hoorn (Mar 01 2019 12:51PM) : This is very unfortunate. The fact that hundreds of intellectuals were murdered shows how harsh this time period was and that even innocents were murdered.
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Cool Guy Evan Higdon (Mar 01 2019 1:43PM) : I do not understand why so many massacres happened, it seems very over the top and it isn't right to kill them.
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Sir Nico Dacong Sir Nico Dacong (Mar 01 2019 12:17AM) : This seems very similar to the start of the Holocaust.
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214th Sir Dr. Louis Cuneo-Bordessa 214th Sir Dr. Louis Cuneo-Bordessa (Mar 01 2019 12:55AM) : There is a sad and grave parallel with the two world wars which happened with in 30 years: the mass killings of innocent peoples not on the battlefield. They were the Armenian genocide of WWI and the Holocaust of WWII
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Jakob Newcomer Jakob Newcomer (Mar 07 2019 9:46PM) : But whats the point in murdering so many, where does this hate and reasoning come from?
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Corbin Rosemon Corbin Rosemon (Feb 28 2019 10:40PM) : Why were the Armenians such a large target and why didn't others get involved in stopping it?
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Jaren Leach Jaren Leach (Mar 01 2019 12:39AM) : I think that the Armenians were only rounded up and slaughtered because of prejudice against their race, similar to why Africans were enslaved in America and Jewish people killed in WWII [Edited]
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Corbin Rosemon Corbin Rosemon (Feb 28 2019 10:42PM) : Why were the Armenians such a large target and why didn't others get involved in stopping it?

The University of Minnesota’s Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies has compiled figures by province and district that show there were 2,133,190 Armenians in the empire in 1914 and only about 387,800 by 1922.

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Brenden Streeter Brenden Streeter (Feb 28 2019 11:47PM) : These numbers are crazy to think about. that's over 80 percent of their population just completely gone. What was their alterior motive in this genocide?
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Tristan Archer Tristan Archer (Mar 01 2019 1:06PM) : Its ridiculous to think that 1.7 million people were killed in the span of a couple years just because they were Armenian
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Travis Pace Travis Pace (Mar 01 2019 1:25PM) : Holocasut and genecide more

The motives for this genecide remind me of Hitler in a way. They were both trying to better their own nation by getting rid of an enemy, or in hitlers case, killing “Lesser races”

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Liam Hinson Liam Hinson (Mar 01 2019 2:51PM) : The fact that over half of the population was killed is just a horrible thought to think about.
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Writing at the time of the early series of massacres, The New York Times suggested there was already a “policy of extermination directed against the Christians of Asia Minor.”

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Sir Nico Dacong Sir Nico Dacong (Mar 01 2019 12:20AM) : This paragraph returns to the idea of imperialism and how certain races were targeted.
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214th Sir Dr. Louis Cuneo-Bordessa 214th Sir Dr. Louis Cuneo-Bordessa (Mar 01 2019 12:37AM) : I can't believe there was an actual policy to exterminate them. Like an actual government policy? How terrible!
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Micah Reyes Micah Reyes (Mar 01 2019 11:24AM) : The paragraph here looks back to the genocide that was present at this time. It appears that there was respectable journalism at this time.
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The Young Turks, who called themselves the Committee of Unity and Progress, launched a set of measures against the Armenians, including a law authorizing the military and government to deport anyone they “sensed” was a security threat.

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Prof. Calvinn K.-Sing. Prof. Calvinn K.-Sing. (Feb 28 2019 7:32PM) : Irony more

Turks for Unity and Progress are against Armenians seems very hypocritical. An odd choice of word pairing and actions that can be seen done many other times as well.

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Corbin Rosemon Corbin Rosemon (Feb 28 2019 10:41PM) : Can't that system be abused REALLY easily?
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Corbin Rosemon Corbin Rosemon (Feb 28 2019 10:43PM) : Can't that system be abused REALLY easily?
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Vivi Monterroso Vivi Monterroso (Feb 28 2019 11:42PM) : This is very wrong because a "threat" doesn't necessarily mean danger and it's very likely that the community will get mad and protest or something similar to that.
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Carson Okano Carson Okano (Mar 01 2019 12:57AM) : This method could be easily bypassed. Especially if someone who was a real threat was working for them.
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Travis Pace Travis Pace (Mar 01 2019 1:27PM) : Laws more

This policy seems very vauge, how was a security threat justified?

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Joaquin Williams Joaquin Williams (Mar 04 2019 8:30PM) : In other words, they could deport anyone who they didn't like, and anyone who complained about it was deported.
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A later law allowed the confiscation of abandoned Armenian property. Armenians were ordered to turn in any weapons that they owned to the authorities. Those in the army were disarmed and transferred into labor battalions where they were either killed or worked to death.

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Kate Higgins Kate Higgins (Mar 01 2019 1:29AM) : Having their property and military positions stripped from them was already enough damage. Forcing them into labor battalions was a purely inhumane practice.
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Corbin Rosemon Corbin Rosemon (Feb 28 2019 10:44PM) : This sounds fairly similar to a concentration camp to me. Getting forced out of a job and worked to death.
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Jaren Leach Jaren Leach (Mar 01 2019 12:45AM) : Yeah this as well as disarming them to prevent revolts with deadly weapons seems like they were trying to force them into submission.
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Prof. Jasper Pamatmat Prof. Jasper Pamatmat (Mar 01 2019 11:51AM) : I wonder what the general populous thought of this rash treatment to their military.
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Tristan Archer Tristan Archer (Mar 01 2019 1:14PM) : Working people to death in the "labor battalions" seems pretty inhumane to me
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Cool Guy Evan Higdon (Mar 01 2019 1:40PM) : Sending the people who were fighting for their lives to die in a labor camp anyway is not okay, it seems that there was no respect for these people.

There were executions into mass graves, and death marches of men, women and children across the Syrian desert to concentration camps with many dying along the way of exhaustion, exposure and starvation.

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Student Aaron Markowitz Student Aaron Markowitz (Feb 28 2019 11:00PM) : Did they get any resources or where they just left to rot?
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Vivi Monterroso Vivi Monterroso (Feb 28 2019 11:44PM) : Going back to the beginning of the article, this is very extreme and it's terrible that people at the time didn't think of it like that.
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214th Sir Dr. Louis Cuneo-Bordessa 214th Sir Dr. Louis Cuneo-Bordessa (Mar 01 2019 12:58AM) : Once again, it's another WWII parallel.
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Micah Reyes Micah Reyes (Mar 01 2019 11:31AM) : I have also picked up on numerous WW2 parallels and am glad to find out I am not the only one!
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Dr. Connor Wilde Dr. Connor Wilde (Mar 01 2019 11:37AM) : Peace? more

Somehow the rest of the world called this “The Peace to End all Peace”.

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Lord King Pope Prof. Sir. Mr. Dr. The 7th. Zion Joy-Dean Lord King Pope Prof. Sir. Mr. Dr. The 7th. Zion Joy-Dean (Mar 01 2019 1:01PM) : Most of the people at the time viewed this as an important war; however, it was just another example of unneeded violence. I find it horrible that no one realized the extent of their actions.
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Tristan Archer Tristan Archer (Mar 01 2019 1:16PM) : "Genocide" seems to describe what happened here perfectly
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Travis Pace Travis Pace (Mar 01 2019 1:29PM) : Cruelty more

Although they were in a militrized zone, this seems dehumanising. One quality of humanity is that we respect the dead, yet a mass grave is a huge disrespect

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Liam Hinson Liam Hinson (Mar 01 2019 2:53PM) : What would even drive a person to do such terrible things to another person? Hatred or religion? Or some type of scapegoat?
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Much of this was quite well documented at the time by Western diplomats, missionaries and others, creating widespread wartime outrage against the Turks in the West. Although its ally, Germany, was silent at the time, in later years documents have surfaced from ranking German diplomats and military officers expressing horror at what was going on.

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Rameel Nazir Rameel Nazir (Feb 28 2019 7:36PM) : Since there were many people who documented and knew what was going on in Turkey do you think that Germany and the west should have directly negotiated with Turkey to stop?
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Carson Okano Carson Okano (Mar 01 2019 1:06AM) : I'm surprised that Germany did not do anything to help, considering they were allies. However, after the tragedy happened, Germany was horrified. more

It makes me wonder if Germany had the power to stop the genocide or if they did but just did not do anything about it.

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Sr. Abraham Burroughs Sr. Abraham Burroughs (Mar 01 2019 2:34AM) : Why not step up and do anything about it? more

Even if Germany was their allies, they should have interfered. Other countries too. This is very unjust and their actions shouldn’t go unpunished especially when they’re this awful.

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Micah Reyes Micah Reyes (Mar 01 2019 11:30AM) : I can’t even attempt to count the amount of facts listed in this comment. I strongly agree to such an extreme degree that I believe I can’t write my own comment on the issue since it simply won’t do justice.
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Tristan Archer Tristan Archer (Mar 01 2019 1:17PM) : Its rather interesting that Germany wasn't able to do anything
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Mr. Dr. Professor Alexander Kosoff Mr. Dr. Professor Alexander Kosoff (Feb 28 2019 10:28PM) : You would think that Germany, being the Ottoman's much more powerful ally, would have the leverage to stop the genocide, but apparently not.
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Student Aaron Markowitz Student Aaron Markowitz (Feb 28 2019 11:08PM) : Wouldn't both allies be on the same page as to if one was acting, the other would as well? Or would that just depend on whatever they agreed on in their treaty?
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Stephan Takacs Stephan Takacs (Feb 28 2019 11:22PM) : I find it very peculiar that Germany did not try to stop the genocide.
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Jaren Leach Jaren Leach (Mar 01 2019 12:47AM) : Knowing what Germany was to do to Jewish people and many other, I am not surpried they didn't step in, but it is ironic that they saw these actions as horrific.

Some historians, however, while acknowledging the widespread deaths, say what happened does not technically fit the definition of genocide largely because they do not feel there is evidence that it was well-planned in advance.

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Rameel Nazir Rameel Nazir (Feb 28 2019 7:40PM) : The definition of genocide is “the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation” and based on this definition what happened in Turkey was a genocide
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Ma lak Smith Ma lak Smith (Mar 01 2019 2:51PM) : I agree. Historians seem to describe genocide as "well-planned". Basically, murder of the first degree, on a GRAND scale is Genocide, which is ENTIRELY untrue by definition.
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Brenden Streeter Brenden Streeter (Feb 28 2019 11:49PM) : I agree with Rameel, this pretty much spells out Genocide. "Not enough evidence" kind of seems like they are trying to hide it in a way.
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Student Caelen Streeter Student Caelen Streeter (Mar 01 2019 12:02AM) : "Not a genocide", as if... doesn't matter if it was planned or not. If i were to murder millions and not have it planned i guess it would just be called mass murder then.
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214th Sir Dr. Louis Cuneo-Bordessa 214th Sir Dr. Louis Cuneo-Bordessa (Mar 01 2019 1:03AM) : Although many people, news organisations, and Armenian people themselves have called it "systematic" and "authorised by the government," I suppose it's still innocent until proven guilty.
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Carson Okano Carson Okano (Mar 01 2019 1:11AM) : It's weird that they think that there is not enough evidence. I don't think that genocide has to be a planned action. more

Even if it was, there was still a mass killing of people and as previous students have stated, genocide is a deliberate killing of a large group of people.

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Prof. Jasper Pamatmat Prof. Jasper Pamatmat (Mar 01 2019 11:56AM) : I think that plans aren't always created before action happens. I think that people can act like they are doing something for a certain reason, buts switch up their motives/their plans in order to create mass genocide.
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Sr. Abraham Burroughs Sr. Abraham Burroughs (Mar 01 2019 2:36AM) : I find this interesting. more

Although there’s evidence suggesting this is a genocide, the fact that this wasn’t very thought out or planned makes it strange. On a whim, they killed so many Armenians and reduced their population by such a large amount

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Micah Reyes Micah Reyes (Mar 01 2019 11:33AM) : Although they might believe that this was no planned genocide the likelyhood they they weren’t targeting Armenians seems unlikely to me.
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Nina van Hoorn Nina van Hoorn (Mar 01 2019 12:54PM) : As far as I am aware, genocide does not have to be preplanned. Therefore, I don't see why these mass killings are not considered genocides.
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Matthew Hendrickson Matthew Hendrickson (Mar 01 2019 1:28PM) : I strongly disagree that the Armenian Genocide was not a genocide. More than 3/4 of the population disappeared, and there is evidence of this murderous act. To say that it was not a genocide is absolute malarkey.
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Travis Pace Travis Pace (Mar 01 2019 1:38PM) : Def genecide more

Does a genecide have to be expertly planned? Having a bunch of bodies on your hands should be enough to justify genicide right?

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Jakob Newcomer Jakob Newcomer (Mar 07 2019 9:48PM) : Wether it was planned or not, the majority of a race was slaughtered without a chance to defend themselves. It doesn't matter if it was planned or not, mas killing is still genocide.
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The New York Times covered the issue extensively — 145 articles in 1915 alone by one count — with headlines like “Appeal to Turkey to Stop Massacres.” The Times described the actions against the Armenians as “systematic,” “authorized, and “organized by the government.”

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Sir Joey Barrett Sir Joey Barrett (Mar 01 2019 12:55AM) : If there were 145 articles written which could influence the public, how did the administration push it through?
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Joaquin Williams Joaquin Williams (Mar 04 2019 8:32PM) : Even back then the American public could see that Turkey was in the wrong.
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Prof. Calvinn K.-Sing. Prof. Calvinn K.-Sing. (Feb 28 2019 7:35PM) : Fascinating how topic is covered and how the system is targeting Armenians.

The American ambassador, Henry Morganthau Sr., was also outspoken. In his memoirs, the ambassador would write: “When the Turkish authorities gave the orders for these deportations, they were merely giving the death warrant to a whole race; they understood this well, and in their conversations with me, they made no particular attempt to conceal the fact.”

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Prof. Calvinn K.-Sing. Prof. Calvinn K.-Sing. (Feb 28 2019 7:37PM) : Seems similar to what is happening today.
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Corbin Rosemon Corbin Rosemon (Feb 28 2019 10:46PM) : "Merely giving the death penalty to the whole race" you know, no biggie. I have a feeling that some of the people working on the operation had a mental illness. Doing something that serious is not okay in any way, shape or form.
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Carson Okano Carson Okano (Mar 01 2019 1:12AM) : I agree. They seem very nonchalant about the whole thing. It feels like there is a missing piece somewhere.
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Prof. Jasper Pamatmat Prof. Jasper Pamatmat (Mar 01 2019 11:54AM) : How do you think the dynamic worked between those extremists with mental illness, and those without?
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Matthew Hendrickson Matthew Hendrickson (Mar 01 2019 1:33PM) : The sad fact is that the Turks still do not even acknowledge the Armenian Genocide. Disgusting, if you ask me.
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Stephan Takacs Stephan Takacs (Feb 28 2019 10:53PM) : I do not understand why a deportation was akin to a death warrant in this situation.

Following the surrender of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, the Three Pashas fled to Germany, where they were given protection. But the Armenian underground formed a group called Operation Nemesis to hunt them down. On March 15, 1921, one of the pashas was shot dead on a street in Berlin in broad daylight in front of witnesses. The gunman pled temporary insanity brought on by the mass killings and a jury took only a little over an hour to acquit him. It was the defense evidence at this trial that drew the interest of Mr. Lemkin, the coiner of “genocide.”

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Mr. Dr. Professor Alexander Kosoff Mr. Dr. Professor Alexander Kosoff (Feb 28 2019 10:32PM) : What happened to the other pashas?
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Brenden Streeter Brenden Streeter (Feb 28 2019 11:51PM) : Even then, how would you be in court for over an hour when you shoot someone in front of several witnisses?
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Prof. Jasper Pamatmat Prof. Jasper Pamatmat (Mar 01 2019 11:53AM) : It seems odd that only after the complete demeaning suffrage of a nation, killing in the millions, and mass mistreatment would the word became validated.

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Rameel Nazir Rameel Nazir (Feb 28 2019 7:56PM) : If this is what happened to The Ottoman Empire after they got hit with a lot of losses, do you think if they had won or done bettter in the war would things have been different. [Edited]
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Micah Reyes Micah Reyes (Mar 01 2019 11:26AM) : I think that things would be very different if the Ottoman Empire were to win simply because I think it would be different if anyone else were to win.
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