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12 Angry Men (Adaptation 2)


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1 Juror 8: A key witness to a murder trial claimed she saw the killing through the windows of a moving elevated train. The train had five cars, and while watching from the safety of her apartment window, she saw it happen through the windows of the last two cars. She remembers the most insignificant details. I am not entirely sure if she is correct in thinking this, however.

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2 Now, this woman claims she had seen the killing through the windows of a moving train. If you take a look at the sketch that was drawn of an elevated train, you need to wonder. How long does it take an elevated train going at top speed to pass a given point?

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Juror 4 Juror 4 (Nov 12 2010 4:57PM) : Importance of Train Speed

Why would that be important?

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Juror 8 Juror 8 (Nov 12 2010 5:04PM) : Just Guess

Just take a guess. How long do you think it takes?

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Juror 4 Juror 4 (Nov 12 2010 5:05PM) : No Clue

I wouldn’t have the slightest idea.

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Juror 5 Juror 5 (Nov 12 2010 5:07PM) : 10-12?

I’d say maybe ten or twelve seconds?

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Juror 8 Juror 8 (Nov 12 2010 5:08PM) : More Guesses?

Sounds like a pretty decent guess to me. Anyone else?

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Juror 11 Juror 11 (Nov 12 2010 5:09PM) : Maybe 10?

I would say about ten seconds.

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Juror 2 Juror 2 (Nov 12 2010 5:11PM) : Yeah, 10

Probably ten seconds.

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Juror 8 Juror 8 (Nov 12 2010 5:14PM) : Try a New Idea Here

Listen to this. An elevated train passes a given point in ten seconds. That given point is the window of the room in which the killing took place. You’ve got a good image of that now, right? Now has anyone here ever lived next to train tracks? I have. When your window is open and the train goes by, the noise is ridiculous. You can barely hear yourself think.

3 Along with this witness who saw the killing, I invite you to think of the old man who also happened to hear the young man being accused yell out “I’m going to kill you,” to his father, and after this he heard a body fall out the window. And that was his testimony.

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Juror 2 Juror 2 (Nov 12 2010 5:17PM) : Relevant?

So what?

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Juror 8 Juror 8 (Nov 12 2010 5:19PM) : Remember? Last Two Cars.

The woman across the street looked through the windows of the last two cars of the el and saw the body fall. Remember? The last two cars.

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Juror 10 Juror 10 (Nov 12 2010 5:20PM) : Still Not Seeing a Point...

…I’m still not sure I’m getting it.”

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Juror 8 Juror 8 (Nov 12 2010 5:23PM) : Conflict With Evidence

An elevated train takes ten seconds to pass a given point. So that’s two seconds per car. That train had been going by the old man’s window for at least six seconds or more before the body fell, according to the woman. The old man would have had to hear the boy say, “I’m going to kill you,” while the front of the train was going right by his house. It’s not possible that he could have heard it.

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Juror 3 Juror 3 (Nov 12 2010 5:24PM) : He Obviously Heard!

What are you talking about?! Of course he could’ve heard it!

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Juror 8 Juror 8 (Nov 12 2010 5:25PM) : Doubt It

Could he?

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Juror 3 Juror 3 (Nov 12 2010 5:27PM) : It Was Said Pretty Clearly

He said he heard the kid yell it out. Shouldn’t that be obvious enough?

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Juror 9 Juror 9 (Nov 12 2010 5:28PM) : He Didn't Hear It

Actually, I don’t think he could have heard it.

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Juror 2 Juror 2 (Nov 12 2010 5:30PM) : It's Possible He Didn't Actually Hear.

Yeah, maybe he didn’t hear it. I mean with the all the noise around…

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Juror 3 Juror 3 (Nov 12 2010 5:32PM) : This is Ridiculous!

What are you guys talking about? Are you saying the old guy was lying?

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Juror 5 Juror 5 (Nov 12 2010 5:33PM) : Makes Sense to Me

Well, it would make sense!

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Juror 3 Juror 3 (Nov 12 2010 5:34PM) : What?! How? WHY?!

How?! Why would he lie? What’s he got to gain?

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Juror 9 Juror 9 (Nov 12 2010 5:36PM) : He Wanted Attention

Attention, maybe.

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Juror 8 Juror 8 (Nov 12 2010 5:38PM) : Go Ahead. Explain.

Huh, I didn’t think about that. Why might the old man have lied? You have a right to be heard.

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Juror 9 Juror 9 (Nov 12 2010 5:40PM) : He Looks Like He Could Use the Attention

The seam of his jacket was split under the arm. Did you notice that? He was a very old man with a torn jacket, and he carried two canes. I think I know him better than anyone here. This is a quiet, frightened, insignificant man who has been nothing all his life. He’s never had recognition, or even his name in the newspapers. Nobody knows him after seventy-five years. That’s a very sad thing. A man like this feels like he needs to be recognized. To be questioned, and listened to, and quoted just once. This would be very important to him.

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Juror 12 Juror 12 (Nov 12 2010 5:41PM) : He Lied, Then?

So… he lied about a thing like this just so that he could be important?

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Juror 9 Juror 9 (Nov 12 2010 5:43PM) : No, But He Might Have Convinced Himself

No, I don’t think he actually lied. But maybe he made himself believe that he heard those words and recognized the boy’s face.

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Juror 3 Juror 3 (Nov 12 2010 5:44PM) : How Would You Know?

That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. What would you know about something like that?

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Juror 9 Juror 9 (Nov 12 2010 5:46PM) : I Know From Experience

Because I’ve been that person.

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