2The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil. Philip Zimbardo.
3In the summer of 1971, a young social psychologist named Philip Zimbardo set up a mock prison in the basement of Stanford University's psychology building. The 24 subjects he had selected for the two-week experiment he was planning were mostly middle-class, educated, college-age men who happened to be in Palo Alto for the summer. At the outset all were deemed to be "normal" on the basis of personality tests and their conduct in clinical interviews. They were to be paid $15 a day for their participation.
5Zimbardo assigned each subject to be a prisoner or guard by flipping a coin. There were no measurable personality differences between the two groups when the experiment began. Zimbardo played the role of warden himself. The researchers were initially concerned that subjects wouldn't take the experiment seriously enough.
6They needn't have been. To everyone's astonishment, the two groups quickly came to act like their real-life counterparts. The prisoners became despondent; some broke down. In less than 36 hours, one had to be released because of extreme depression, disorganized thinking, uncontrollable crying and fits of rage. Over the next three days, three more prisoners were let go because they exhibited similar symptoms of anxiety. A fifth prisoner was discharged when he developed a psychosomatic rash over his entire body, an apparent reaction to the rejection of his parole appeal by the mock parole board.
7The guards' behavior was even more disturbing. All flexed their power to one degree or another. They made the prisoners obey trivial, often inconsistent rules and forced them to perform tedious, pointless work, such as moving cartons from one closet to another or continuously picking thorns out of blankets (an unpleasant task the guards created by dragging the blankets through thorny bushes). The inmates were made to sing songs or laugh or stop smiling on command; to curse and malign one another publicly; to clean out toilets with their bare hands. They were required to sound off their numbers repeatedly and to do endless push-ups, occasionally with a guard's foot or that of another prisoner on their backs.
8The inmates became so engulfed in the situation that, during the mock parole board hearing, a majority of them said they would forfeit the money they were owed in exchange for release. Had they forgotten they were in an experiment in the psychology building at Stanford University, not a real prison, and were owed their daily salary whether they quit or not? Even Zimbardo became myopically trapped in his role as warden. He began worrying more about malingering prisoners and the prevention of prison breaks than about the wave of insanity his experiment had set in motion. When a woman Zimbardo was involved with who had recently received her doctorate and was helping out with the project finally made him realize how far out of hand things had gotten, the study was aborted. It had lasted just six days and nights.
9The Stanford Prison Experiment has become a cornerstone of social psychology. Along with Stanley Milgram's studies of obedience to authority—the "shock experiments"—Zimbardo's investigation is considered one of the most important pieces of research demonstrating the field's core tenet: that situations may be more powerful determinants of behavior than the personality traits of the people involved. What happened at Stanford makes it clear that insane situations can create insane behavior even in normal people.
10Zimbardo's remarkable experiment is at the center of his equally remarkable book, The Lucifer Effect. Why a new book about a 35-year-old study? Zimbardo presents the research in greater detail and texture than ever before. He provides a wealth of new interpretations and new material—anecdotes, entries from the diaries of prisoners and guards, updates on the lives of the participants, and documentation of the consequences his findings have had for real-world prison policy.
11Perhaps more important, the passage of time offers him a larger canvas—disturbingly large—on which to apply the lessons of the experiment. In the second half of the book, he delves into a profusion of contemporary small- and large-scale evils. He investigates, for example, the fraudulence of executives at Enron and WorldCom, the sexual abuse of parishioners by Catholic priests, the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, systematic programs of police and military torture in a number of countries, the mass suicides at Jonestown, and the genocides in Rwanda and elsewhere. Zimbardo convincingly explains how each of these evils mirrors the lessons of the Stanford Prison Experiment and might to some extent have been avoided had those lessons been learned more successfully.
12The book chronicles one disaster after another in which typically good people succumbed to the psychological forces of the situation, with the worst possible results; and how, in each case, those in power invariably drew the mistaken conclusion that the pathologies were the result of a few bad apples—when in fact the bigger problem was the nature of the barrel they were placed in. This type of misperception doesn't surprise social psychologists. Indeed, it is so common that it is known in the discipline as the "fundamental attribution error": the tendency when explaining the behavior of others—especially behavior that leads to no good—to overestimate the importance of personality traits and underestimate the power of
15Most notably, Zimbardo analyzes the infamous sadistic acts carried out by U.S. military personnel in Abu Ghraib prison. This section alone is worth the price of the book. Not only is it extraordinarily detailed, both psychologically and otherwise, it also offers the chilling perspective of an insider, Staff Sergeant Chip Frederick, a supervisor on the night shift at Abu Ghraib and one of the primary villains in the abuse scandal. Zimbardo was an expert witness at Frederick's court-martial and came
16to know the defendant and his family well. By the time Zimbardo has finished describing Frederick's transformation from idealistic soldier to abuser, Abu Ghraib feels eerily indistinguishable from the Stanford Prison Experiment. It is as if the Iraqi prison had been designed by twisted social psychologists who wanted to replicate Zimbardo's experiment using real guards and prisoners.
17Zimbardo has a well-earned reputation for tackling large and complex problems. In this book, he takes on nothing less than the psychology of evil itself. More specifically, he focuses on the social forces that elicit evil actions. Zimbardo doesn't deny that some truly evil people exist in the world. However, most of the damage humans have caused one another could not have occurred without the active participation of large numbers of everyday individuals. Hitler could not have carried out his killing program without the participation of hundreds of thousands of ordinary German citizens. Most of the approximately 900,000 Tutsis who were slaughtered in a three-month period in 1994 in Rwanda were attacked by machete-wielding death squads composed of their neighbors, the Hutus. These evils can't be explained away as the work of a few psychopaths.
18It is the commonplace, ordinary potential for acting badly that Zimbardo targets. He uses the term "Lucifer effect" to describe the transformation of good into evil, as epitomized by the story of the metamorphosis of Lucifer, God's favorite angel, into Satan. Certainly individuals differ in how great a tendency they have to act badly. But a half-century of research in social psychology has conclusively demonstrated that even subtle features of a situation often bring out the worst in people. It is typical for human beings to behave badly in certain circumstances. This is what Hannah Arendt, at Adolf Eichmann's trial, famously labeled "the banality of evil."
19What, Zimbardo asks, leads ordinary people to do bad things, things they never would have imagined doing? Most evildoing, it becomes depressingly clear, is driven by rather ordinary social-psychological reactions. Zimbardo offers an extensive list and discussion of the toxic situational forces and normal psychological reactions to them that tend to activate the Lucifer effect. He provides a detailed, intelligent and workable program for resisting unwanted social influence, highlighting dangers and offering tangible prescriptions for neutralizing negative effects. There are, for example, mini-tutorials on how to distinguish between just and unjust authorities, on being careful not to sacrifice one's freedom for the illusion of security, and on learning to recognize when, where and how to stand up to unjust systems.
20The book is packed with the findings of social psychologists working both inside and outside the laboratory. But it is much more than a textbook of applied social psychology. Throughout, Zimbardo argues with passion and acumen that the general public and our political and cultural leaders must learn to overcome the knee-jerk psychological reactions that lead us to make the same errors over and over again. He assigns blame where it is due (including to himself, for having crossed ethical lines in the Stanford Prison Experiment) and takes strong political stances. This important book should be required reading not only for social scientists, but also for politicians, decision makers, educators and just about anyone else disturbed by the self-destructive directions in which the United States and the rest of the world seem to be moving.
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This document discusses how ordinary, middle class, educated college men made the transformation into abusive prison guards. These men acted terribly towards their prisoners, forcing some into depression. What do you think cause this shift from good to evil to happen? When would you have stopped this experiment? And how easy do you think it is to follow group think to do terrible things like this?
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I think the position of power they are in influences the way they see the inmates. Sometimes having power causes people to lose their moral values. I would of stopped the experiment as soon as I am aware of the situation. I think its pretty easy to get out of line and follow the crowd because it gives us an excuse to do wrong
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I agree that having power sometimes clouds morals and causes people to value the wrong things.
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I agree with hoe power affects your behavior. Having a shift in power can make someone take on a personality that they don’t normally act like.
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I agree that the position of power that one is in influences the way they see others! This is proven in the guards’ “disturbing behavior,” as they had the inmates perform such dehumanizing and degrading tasks.
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I think what caused the shift from good to evil is that the people that were involved started to feel like they were actually in the prison and the guards started to take it seriously. " to everyone’s astonishment, the two groups quickly came to act like their real-life counterparts". I would probably stop this experiment right when people started to break down with anxiety and rage. This is inhumane and some people didn’t deal with this experiment well. " in less than 36 hours, one had to be released because of extreme depression, disorganized thinking, uncontrollable crying and fits of rage". Even a little over a day, people already needed to leave and opt out of this experiment. I think it can be really easy to follow the group to do terrible things because of peer pressure. You adapt to the environment you’re surrounded by after awhile. People tend to follow what others do in a community even if it is wrong because they don’t want to be left out.
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I agree with Grace on this statement because people tend to fold when they are placed in a stressful situation. Stopping this experiment from the start should of been the option they chose because it seems to be hurting them and also the guards are taking advantage of it. Also I agree peer pressure is a big factor that plays into the way people think because they feel the stress of it on their shoulders.
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I agree with Graces statement that people tend to follow what others do in a community even if it is wrong because often people dont realize what they’re doing is wrong they just assume it is okay because they see other people doing it.
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I think the ‘prison guards’ thought if other people were doing it, they had to do it too. Also, if they were getting paid it probably started off as a joke and then progressed gradually over the six days. I would have stopped the experiment as soon as I noticed the ‘prisoners’ experiencing negative effects from it. When the article mentions that they were forced to clean toilets with their bare hands, that seems excessive enough for someone to step in and control the situation. I also would have more than one person conducting the experiment to make sure it does not get out of hand.I think in a situation like the Rwandan Holocaust, it may seem necessary for survival.
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I agree that they most likely started it for the money and then it got worse over the next six days. I also think that they let the power get to their head and that’s another reason why the guards did what they did.
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I agree with Ruthie that it started as a kind of joke that escalated to a more dangerous level. Also it seems that the monetary incentive would be a large factor in an experiment with college students so that would be a strong motivator.
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I think the shift was caused because the men realized how much power they had over the prisoners even though it was just an experiment. I think they also started to believe that they were actually guards and forgot that they were just an experiment and let it all get to their heads. They believed they had the power to do this so they used it while they could. I would have stopped the experiment when the 5th prisoner had to be let go because of a rash. I would have stopped then because the guards started to do too much and made 5 prisoners go crazy. I think if you start to believe in something so much then it can become easy for groups to do terrible things.
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I agree with that the men realized that they had to much power even if it was a an experiment and that they got lost in there tiny word they started to believe.
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I think that the college men, especially in 1971, were excited to be in charge of another person. They wanted to demonstrate their power and superiority. Masculinity was seen as something to be envy of in that time, and they were showing their more “masculine” sides. The shift from good to evil most likely just happened when they realized they had some type of power. I would have stopped this experiment the second the prisoners became despondent in response to the new guards. I think it is really easy to follow the group and do what other guards are doing, but not when it comes to handling other’s lives. It is concerning how easy it was for them to act that way towards the prisoners.
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Like I said in my response, I agree with Ellen that these men were excited to be in charge. I do feel like masculinity had an effect in this because I feel like women would have had more empathy towards the guards. “When a woman Zimbardo was involved with who had recently received her doctorate and was helping out with the project finally made him realize how far out of hand things had gotten, the study was aborted.”
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I agree with this. I do think there should have been another person running the experiment because there wouldn’t be anything as extreme as what happened.
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I agree with this on the masculinity part. These men were trying to act bigger then they are and were looking forward to having power over someone else.
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The cause of this good to evil was the power that was given to the guards. They allowed middle class men who are most likely not in charge of as much power as they had in that experiment.Each participant was making 15 dollars from the experiment and the prisoners would rather give up all of the money than go though with the experiment, which just shows how much power went to the guards heads. Personally I would hope to see the effects that I had on the prisoners and realize we are no different outside of the experiment. I think it is very easy to follow what everyone is doing because when trouble comes back to you, you can blame everyone else too.
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I agree with Brenna’s statement that putting middle class men in charge of a high security prison allowed these men to abuse the newfound power they were given.
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I agree with Brenna, that giving middle class men such power was something they were not used to, causing the power hungry men to use what little they had to their full extent.
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The guards were heavily influenced by the environment and dynamic of prisoner-guard. The article said that “even subtle features of a situation bring out the worst in people.” I would have stopped the experiment when the guards start showing signs of sadistic behavior. It seems too easy for people to do terrible things in groups because “it is typical for human beings to behave badly in certain circumstances” as shown through the group mentality of the guards.
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I believe the shift from good to evil happened when the “prisoners” truly felt like they were in a prison and did something wrong. They said, “a majority of them said they would forfeit the money they were owed in exchange for release.Had they forgotten they were in an experiment in the psychology building at Stanford University, not a real prison.” I also think that I would have stopped the experiment when it began to physically and mentally damage the participants. They express that “What happened at Stanford makes it clear that insane situations can create insane behavior even in normal people.” Lastly, I believe that if you are in a rough environment, and are being treated unfairly then I believe it is pretty easy to fall into this mind set of doing terrible things.
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Due to those designated as prison guards taking their role way too seriously, that surely affected the folks who were labeled as the prisoners. Even though everyone was in an experiment and not actually in a prison, due to the guards exercising their abilities and powers too much, that convinced the prisoners that they were in fact in a prison. The quote of them saying they would give up their money in exchange for being released really hit home just how much this had affected them, and how far the guards took this.
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I think that the shift between ordinary man to abusive guard happened during the course of them being brought into the setting. Once they learned of their role in the experiment and were asked to enact it, they took on what their mind shaped as a prison guard, whether that’s based off media that they had seen or read, or off actual experiences. I would have stopped the experiment after the first prisoner was released. After seeing what they were subject to and learning of their symptoms it makes sense that you try to get them out of there as soon as possible.
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I believe when people are given unlimited power that they are subjected to abuse it. When you can make rules and make people do what you want without consequence it is hard not to abuse that power.
I would have stopped the experiment after one of the prisoners had to be released due to anxiety and depression. I would take that as a sign to stop the experiment so no one else would be affected that same way.
I think it is easy to follow and to do what everyone else is doing because that makes the situation seem normalized and justified if everyone else is doing it. It is harder to make the right decision that goes against what appears to be right in the moment.
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I think cause the shif is the fact that no safe standers were set and so the grauds could not harm the prisoners. I would have stop the experiment after 36 hours beacuse of the prisoner that had a melt break down. That prisoner had fits of rage, depression, and uncontrollable crying. It is very easy to follow gruops like tihs beacuse we have seen it before in history with the Nazis and Terrorist.
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The sudden shift from good to evil the guards displayed during the experiment is most likely due to them getting too caught up in their own role. It doesn’t appear to be a case of them secretly having a desire all this time to abuse people who are considered lower than them, as the test results before the experiment took place deemed every participant as normal. Rather, by being given a position of power, and being able to carry out said powers on those designated as criminals, people who have seriously broken the law, they felt a sense of superiority. This sudden position of power that not everybody gets, even if it was just an experiment, carried them into committing to their role too much. Plus, with there being no serious checks and balances in the experiment to make sure the people who represented the prisoners weren’t being heavily abused, those portraying as the prison guards were free to do whatever they wanted.
If I were the one overlooking the experiment, I would stop the experiment much sooner than after the sixth day. I would still want to give the experiment a shot, meaning I wouldn’t cut it off after the first day, but by day two or three I would shut it down if the guards kept up their abusive behavior.
In terms of how easy it is for groups to suddenly do terrible things like this, it depends. In this particular experiment, since there were hardly any regulations on the guard’s actions, plus the fact they were given a position of superiority as they were dealing with criminals, not your everyday civilian, the circumstances all combined to have the guards commit such terrible acts. Had the circumstances/overall experiment be different, there may be a chance the outcome would be different.
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I think that when you are put in a position of power it can be easy let it corrupt your values. I would stop the experiment when it starting causing physical or emotional harm to the participants, because if the experiment got too intense it could cause lasting damage to the participants
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I think what caused this shift from good to evil to happen is the position of power that the guards were put in. The guards were in a very high ranked position in the prison and it went straight to their heads. I would have stopped this experiment when mental illnesses occurred. I think once people are in a group of power they are more willing to be cruel like the other group members. If they were working individually, the guards wouldn’t have a group to follow.
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I agree that the shift definitely happened when the power went to the guards heads. I also agree that the experiment should have been shut down as soon as the prisoners began to show signs of mental illness. I also agree to the fact that in a group it is easier to be cruel and use the power had for granted.
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I think that since these ordinary men shifted from good to evil because they probably have never been out in a situation where they had that much power and authority. I would’ve stopped the experiment depending on when I gained knowledge of these incidents or I would have told them to stop being so harsh and if they continued I would have shut it down.. I think it is very easy to follow a group that is doing bad things because in that situation you see how easy it is to gain control over someone.
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I think the cause from good to evil was because of the power that went to the guards heads. Being in that position of power makes, even if it is fake, can really effect a persons behavior. I would have stopped the experiment as soon as things began to escalate to an unhealthy/hurtful level. The prisoners began to really suffer physically and mentally, and that is a red flag that the experiment had gone to far. I believe that it probably is easier than one would think to follow a group, regardless of what they are doing. It only takes one person to get into a position of power in the group and influence everyone else to do what they do.
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I agree that the “fake it till you make it” is a key part in explaining their behavior. I also agree with one person influencing the others.
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I think what caused the shift from good to evil was when the subjects both prisoners and the guards starting living out their roles, the guards started to treat the prisoners harshly and gave them cruel tactics to instill obedience which made the prisoners break down causing them to become depressed and have anxiety. I would have stopped the experiment immediately when the prisoners and guards behavior started to get out of hand causing them to become depressed and stressed. I think That it can be easy too follow a group that does terrible things because of pressure. Often people dont even realize that what they’re doing is wrong but they see everyone else doing it or acting in that way so they start to assume that it is right just becuase they see others doing it.
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The people selected for this experiment seem like they would be ambitious. When the guards were given power over the prisoners, they took it to the extreme. I would have stopped the experiment after the first prisoner was let go. I think it is very easy to follow the crowd because it is a part of our human nature, we don’t like to stand alone.
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I believe that the shift from good to evil was unintentional, and that subconciously they were trying to adhere to the role thaey had been given and in the moment, they believed that they weren’t doing anything wrong. I would have stopped the experiment once multiple students asked to be removed. I think it is easy for a group to follow each other to do terrible things because it is human nature to go along with the rest of the group.
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I believe that the transformation these men exhibited was solely based on the authority they had been given. Being average young men who most likely never had a position of power before, they let this new position they were in overcome their sense of right and wrong, and it took over their true sense of morality. I would have stopped the experiment after the first “prisoner” had become extremely unwell. Knowing the full potential of what this experiment could do/was doing to people would be enough to bring me to end it. I believe that it is fairly easy for most people to follow what a group is doing because we as a society are basically trained to do just that since we were born. It becomes easy to do something you know is wrong once you see other people doing the same thing.
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I agree with this because I think the men were affected by the power they were given and that they were told to act like guards, which ended up morally changing their approach.
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The shift from good to evil was caused by a lack of focus on the prison as a whole, to realizing that the guards could abuse their power in the wrong way. During the experiment, I would have stopped it when the first had to quit because of the unnecessary stress put on the prisoners. The ability to do this was so easy though because it wasn’t stopping one guard as the problem, it was all of them.
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The shift from good to evil, a transformation known as the “Lucifer Effect,” was caused by each individual in the study becoming increasingly consumed by it. This is proven by the increasing insanity that occurred within all involved individuals, which led to the premature end of the experiment. When attempting to act like a certain person, in this case a prisoner or a prison warden, it is easy to convince oneself that he or she is truly that person This is demonstrated by the increasingly cruel behavior of the wardens when they forced the inmates to do tedious and unnecessary tasks. In other words, by attempting to play a certain role, each party became psychologically convinced that they were the person whose role they were playing. I would have stopped the experiment on the third day. I think that the results of this study have been of utmost importance, as it proved the connection between one’s mind and their setting, whether that be place and/or the people they are surrounded with. However, this experiment was quite taxing and caused a rather frightful impact on the behavior of those involved. Stopping it after three days, a psychologist would have been able to complete said experiment as they would have already acquired the pertinent results from the experimental group. After all, one man only endured 24 hours before enough was enough. Unfortunately, I think that it would be ultimately too easy to follow the group think, especially when one feels “stuck” in a situation and a physical place (in this case, a way of thinking and in a prison). When one feels as if they are “locked” into a certain area, whether mentally or physically (in this instance, both) it is easy to allow oneself to be consumed by what seems to be consuming him or her; this is proven in the following statement: “the inmates became so engulfed in the situation…[that] a majority of them said they would forfeit the money they were owed in exchanged for release.”
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The same population as the guards, was forced to become prisoners in this experiment, where they were exposed to violence, abuse, pointless and embarrassing tasks (cleaning toilets with their bare hands), and more. Exposure to these behaviors even forced some to fall into a deep depression. What do you think caused this innocent group of people to take on this role of prisoners so intensely? When would you say, enough is enough and leave the experiment? Is this an ethical situation to put these people into?
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I feel like they wanted to get a feel for how a real inmate is treated and how it feels to be a part of that whole scene. I would say enough is enough when people start actually being poorly effective. I feel like they shouldnt be put into the intense real thing because it can affect the way you feel and act later.
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I agree. I think it seemed interesting at first to simulate what prison would be like. I also think the participants wanted to make the experience as real as possible.
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The whole experinment was they were too play roles. When people start getting hurt and developing mental issues is when an experiment gets out of control and sometimes the experimenter can turn a blind eye to that situation to try and gain as much intel as possible.
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I think at first it may have been because of the money. Once it got excessive, they may have felt so in the situation where it was hard to differentiate what they actually had to do versus what was just part of the experiment. I would say the first time someone was made to do something that would be inhumane for real prisoners, it should be called off or changed. There is no reason the participants who were the prison guards should have been given that much power over the others. It started off as ethical because Zimbardo did not know what exactly was going to happen, but it very quickly turned into something else and he should have had enough common sense and decency to stop it.
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I think what took these people to take their roles so seriously is that they had a mindset that they would be able to make it through and for the fact that they were getting paid. I think they really wanted to see what it would be like to be in prison and they got used to being treated that way or treating others that way. I wouldn’t keep this experiment going any longer to see people go insane because after this, they could be scarred mentally and it could have the same effects on someone as if they were actually in prison once they left. It is not an ethical situation because of these reasons.
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I agree that the reason they were so serious about their roles is because they were being paid. The guards started to abuse their power and the prisoners kept going with it because i think they started to believe they were actually prisoners.
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I wouldnt say this situation is ethical in the slightest. These prisoners were stripped of their humanity and dignity, which would cause them to fall into deep depression. Their personalities changed during this experiment which was a result of them being humiliated day in and day out. A majority of the prisoners wanted to get out, and offered to forfeit the money they were owed if they could leave.
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I agree with Ellen’s statement that the experiment was not ethical due to the fact that the prisoners were stripped of their humanity and dignity. Any experiment or situation that causes damage to someones mental state is not ethical.
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I think the group of people took on the prisoner roles so intensely because at first they just wanted to get paid but i think eventually they started to think they were in an actual prison and deserved all the punishment they were getting I think they let the experiment get into their heads. I would have said enough is enough and left when they started doing intense punishments and if it would have lead me to anxiety or depression like some of the other prisoners.
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I agree with this because the experiment got in their head and they could no longer separate it from experiment and reality. I also agree that they should have stopped once they started exhibiting abusive behavior.
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The role of fake-prisoner turned into the rule of real prisoner as the experiment continued to become more and more violent. The prisoners started to feel like a real prisoner because the guards were treating them as such. I would leave the experiment when they start making me clean toilets with my bare hands, but ideally I would like to think I’d leave when the guards start abusing their power. It would have been ethical if it stopped when the experimenters realized the guards were harming the prisoners mentally.
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I feel like these men who were prisoners were not used to being treated like nothing. These men experienced a shock because one day they were treated with respect and the next they are put through intense abuse. I would say once abuse and violence became a factor that should have been an obvious light bulb moment that this has gone too far. “The guards’ behavior was even more disturbing” It is not an ethical situation to put these people through. There are laws put into affect so that this does not happen.
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I think they were treated like inmates then like nothting. If they were treated with respect then the experiment would have lasted longer.I think the guards behavior was really disturbing. They made experiment last 6 days and made people have melt break downs
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I agree with this statement because people hate to feel isolated from the care of others. It causes people to feel like they are neglected for good making them feel hopeless. i do agree also the guards over exerted their power in a major way. Behavior like that should not be tolerated. The experiment was a little too much of a stretch.
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I think the cause of this innocent behavior from an innocent group of people strongly changed for them to be so intensely involved was because since they’re already such good people they aren’t used to these harsh environments and cruel actions like cleaning the toilet with their bear hands. They are unaware of on how to react so they lash out and fall apart. For example, “They were required to sound off their numbers repeatedly and to do endless push-ups, occasionally with a guard’s foot or that of another prisoner on their backs.” I think that anyone going through this mentally abusive process would have this same effect. I think enough is enough when you begin to notice that people are truly struggling and in pain and their mental health begins to fall. This is not ethic at all.
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Those participating as prisoners have most likely never had to deal with this kind of abuse. Thus, as you stated, their minds fall apart from the overload of stress, anxiety, and depression developed. There’s only so much the human mind can handle, especially one that hasn’t experienced such high levels of abuse like this
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I think what made those people take on this role of prisoners so intensely is the 15 dollors a day and like in shocking experiment they submitted to authority and thets wht happen to the prisoners. After the 36 hours because obviously the paticipants can’t take this kind of strees and human degration. It is not ethical to put people in a situation at the mock parole hearing most of them would forfeit the money just to be released
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I agree that probably the idea of getting 15 dollars a day sounded very appealing. They were also probably under the impression that is was not going to be as much work as it actually was. After the 36 hours also would have been a good time to shut the experiment down because signs of illness and stress had just began to show in the prisoners. I agree that the experiment was not ethical at all, and that it makes sense that most prisoners wanted to just leave the money and get out of the experiment.
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I feel that this is a case of a provided incentive and curiosity getting the better of people, causing them to be willing participants only to have them actually think that they are prisoners. A likely bonus that initially got them into this experiment was the incentive provided, such as getting $15 for each day they participated, and probably just plain curiosity ended up making them willing to participate. They probably wanted a glimpse of what life as a prisoner was like. However, they got much more than just a glimpse of life as a prisoner, and quickly they realized that this wasn’t a good spot to be in. The big thing that caused these people to turn into willing prisoners was probably the sense of powerlessness from their status in the experiment as prisoners. Even though it was just an experiment, the environment and how they were being treated both combined into making the experience real for them.
If I were one of the participants who was labeled as a prisoner, I would say enough is enough after day two as long as the abusive behavior kept up. I would want to leave the experiment before my mind broke down from all of the abusive behavior from the guards.
While it did give us plenty of insight into how the human mind works when put in situations like this, the whole experiment was not very ethical, putting innocent people in the role of prisoners and seeing how they react when the guards are abusive towards them.
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I believe the prisoners truly took on the role of prisoner after being subject to the abuse of the guards and everything they did to them. After witnessing the first prisoner break down into depression, I would call of the experiment. The guards became abusive and the prisoners were constantly rotated so new people would enter in the experiment. Each of the prisoners who left the experiment clearly suffered from trauma from what they had been through. This clearly is not an ethical situation to put these people through but I’m not sure that Zimbardo was completely expecting such an enhanced change in behavior from the college students into the roles that they fulfilled.
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I think that once they got put in the role of a prisoner they just accepted the role of a prisoner and probably figured that they had to do whatever was asked of them. I would have said enough is enough when people started to drop out out because of depression and anxiety because people in normal prisons don’t experience that stuff as much as it did in the experiment. I think it was an ethical idea but by the way the guards started treating the prisoners made it unethical.
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I agree that once they were assigned the role of “prisoner” in this experiment, they assumed the role and decided they would cooperate with the rules the warden would impose upon them. However, as they were driven to insanity, there was a time they had to have stopped deciding to cooperate and instead had felt forced into cooperation.
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I believe that the way the guards acted affected the way the prisoners acted. I believe the guards abusing their power influenced the prisoners to take on the mindset that a real prisoner would have. I would’ve left the experiment when the guards began to make me do some of the pointless jobs that they forced the inmates to do. I wouldn’t take the abuse from the guards either and allow them to flex their power over me. No I don’t believe it was an ethical situation for them to be put into. Prison mentally destroys hardcore criminals who belong there like murderers and thieves so I don’t understand why you would get subjects who would never be in that situation to contribute in the experiment.
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I agree with Dj that the way the guards acted affected the way the prisoners acted. The guards abused their power and treated the prisoners without dignity and forced them to do tasks that effeted their mental health.
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I think what caused the innocent “prisoners” to take on this role so intensely was the fact that they were being put through extreme hardships and unfair/pointless tasks. Although they were not real prisoners they were still doing humiliating tasks and being forced to do things such as cleaning a toilet with there bear hands. That is enough to make anyone feel worthless. I believe the experiment should have ended long before the guards forced the prisoners to do unsanitary/inhumane things. This experiment, although proving a point about authoritative figures, was not at all ethical and should have had a few boundaries.
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I agree with how the prisoners were punished caused them to take on the role and that boundaries needed for this experiment.
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I believe that because the guards had the power go to their heads so quickly, it was difficult for the prisoners to make sense of what was really happening and why, so they just went with it. Eventually, thing got out of hand, but the prisoners and guards were both in to far, they couldn’t scale back what they were doing. I would say enough is enough as soon as the symptoms of mental illness began to occur. This experiment was not worth having people hurt over. This experiment was not ethical because the experimenter put people into a prison with guards who had no idea what they were doing. They told each other to act like one would if they were in jail, and then let it escalate to the point it got too, which is not ethical.
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I think what caused this innocent group of people to take on this role of being a prisoner so intensily was due to the fact of the harsh enviroment they were put in and the tasks they were being forced to do. I think enough is enough when you could tell that these people were struggling and stressed and you could tell that it has started to effect their mental health in a bad way. This situation is not ethical. The prisoners went through a personality change which was caused by being humiliated and treated without dignity and humanity.
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I believe that at first, it was because the prisoners were eager to take part in this experiment. However, the actions of the guards were the final factor which caused the prisoners to really take on the role. I do not believe that this was an ethical situation and I would have left as soon as the guards became very abusive.
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I believe that people took the role of prisoner seriously because they at first thought that this was just what they signed up for, and maybe a little more realistic than they originally thought but still manageable (for some). I think I would say that enough is enough when the toilet cleaning by hand punishment was enacted. I believe that in theory this was an ethical situation if they security guards hadn’t been as abusive of the inmates.
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I agree because the of the guards being abusive in the punishment of cleaning the toilets.
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I believe that people took on this task out of curiosity to see what real inmates may experience. Enough is enough when you morally begin to tear down a person and realize that you are being treated like an animal. Realistically this is not an ethical situation to put people into because they are not experiencing what it’s like with real guards who are trained, instead they are under the control of people who are abusing their higher position.
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Although these “inmates” were not true inmates, because they were treated in the same way as true ones are, there was no difference in their mental states in response to the circumstances they found themselves in. The very structured of the experiment was designed this way, so, ultimately the response of the experimental group was the very same as inmates in real life. Personally, I would never agree to participate in this experiment in the first place because I would not willingly put myself in a situation where I am welcoming my mental state to be sacrificed. Quite frankly, although this was a very telling experiment, so therefore it was arguably needed to be carried out, I would say that it is not an ethical situation to put those people into. It really is never a good thing to drive people into insanity.
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Think about this population of people for a little bit. The group of subjects were almost all of the same background. Middle-classed, educated, college aged, males with similar personalities. Do you think we can take results serious from such a similar group of people? DO you think a more diverse group of people would allow this experiment to have different thoughts? If so, why do you think this?
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I feel like there should of been more diversity because people tend to assimilate with whats around them and if these people live kind of the same lives, then its not effective. yes potentially they could have different thoughts because the situation itself is not a very good one.
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I agree with what Dr. Edman has to say because if people from different backgrounds would have different thoughts and the experiment might have gone differently.
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I agree because diversity would provide conflict between different kinds of people instead of everyone acting the same.
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I agree that there should be more diversity by adding women and different age groups. However, to some extent, all people will respond to that scenario somewhat similarly.
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I think the results can be taken seriously because it shows that people who all are from similar backgrounds could do this type of thing to each other, so what would they do to someone else? I think a more diverse group would have been similar. I think in this situation, it was less about the people and more about why they felt like they had to treat the inmates this way.
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I agree that the results can be taken seriously because it shows that people from different backgrounds can change and act completely different. I also agree that with I more diverse group of people the results would have been similar.
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I also believe that taking others from different backgrounds would have produced a similar result. Their backgrounds would probably provide near identical results because most of this happens thanks to the situation they have been placed into.
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I agree that the results would have been similar either way but we wouldn’t know because the experiment has only happened to this group of people. We wouldn’t know that this group is an anomaly because we’ve never seen it happen to someone else, not that it should.
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Diversity could for sure have a big impact on the results of this experiment. Since all the men were basically from the same background, then they might all be reacting almost the same way. I think this experiment would be more effective if there was diversity. People of different races, social class, age, and gender would possibly have a different outcome because a variety of people react differently.
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I agree that people from different social classes, age groups, or races would have reacted different to this sudden position of power. This would have given the experimenter a wider variety of answers to compare based on the different reactions of the guards
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I think that we can take these results seriously because it proves that just because you are similar doesn’t mean you will always act the same. It shows what one incident or change of power can do to people. I think that even if it was a more diverse group of people, the same would have happened because they people were given a great amount of power that they didn’t have before.
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I agree with this. I think it was just about who has power and who doesn’t. These men just asserted their power over others because they were told they were prison guards. If it was a more diverse group, they may have said different things to degrade them, or make them do different things but just as bad.
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I think that having a group of people so similar gives a different type of result than if there were to be diversity in the experimental group. Both responses to the experiment would be a little different but I dont think one would be extremely dissimilar from the other. I am assuming that because the experiment was in the 1970s and the population was middle-class, educated men, that most if not all of them were white. Prisons back then were not made up of mostly white college kids, so it would have been beneficial to add men of color/different ethnicity to the experiment.
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I agree that either result, the group being like how it was in the actual experiment or more diverse, wouldn’t be too different from one another. There may be some minor differences here and there, but for the most part all of the participants who were the prisoners would most likely break down one way or another from so much abuse.
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No I think that it was the correct choice by choosing all the same personalities, and for them to be normal and not negative personalities. This helps show the different ways the same kind of people react in the same situations and in the same environment.
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I argee with that someone form the same back round home life could recat in a totally different and new way, then person who was raised in the same way. normal People with normal personalities can become negative or normal/positive.
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Yes because it not real about race becuase if you mix the population you probably get the same result. I think anything is possible when you have the right minds and mix of people. I think that becuase we have seen it in real life we have seen people come together to do certain things.
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I agree because if you mix people who are the same people tend to be bias. ITs just how the world works and there is not much you can do about it. Having it more diverse gives you a more complete answer whether or not the survey stands true or no. Different people can give you a more open idea what people think
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I agree that anything is possible when you give people power. I think it does matter though on the race and social class of people because this experiment did not represent a community of people. I especially think that if women were involved then this project could be somewhat different.
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I feel like we can rely on the results of the experiment even if all of the participants had similar backgrounds to them. In most situations, regardless of who the person in question is or their background, more than likely they haven’t received such heavy abuse like the abuse used in the experiment. Thus, even if the experiment had a more diverse group, I believe similar results would’ve been displayed.
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While having all the subjects come from roughly the same background can clearly have an effect on how strongly they took on their roles, diversity may have brought different experiences into the experiment. While we don’t know this for sure, perhaps adding women as subjects may have calmed things down? Maybe making them older could have effected how they played their roles? These are only really things that can be speculated unless they have been tried in an actual experiment. I feel like adding diversity may have changed how strongly the subjects changed into their roles but I believe that in the end, the experiment would have ended with close to the same result.
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I agree that maybe if they were to add women to the experiment, it would have calmed things down a little. I also agree to the point that age probably played a role, and if they were older and more mature, things may not have gotten that out of hand. I disagree to the point that adding diversity would end up with close to the same result. I believe that adding diversity would make the experiment less intense .
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I think the results can be taken seriously because it just shows how a certain group of people act in different situations. I think a more diverse group would have made the experiment different because there would have been different opinions and moral values which may have made the experiment more safe.
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We can definitely take these results seriously due to the unexpected outcome of the experiment. Although, if the goal of this experiment was to compare how different social classes would react to being put in a position of power then using a variety of people with different backgrounds would have been helpful.
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I agree with Julia that using a different variety of people with different backgrounds would have been helpful. It would have given the experimenter more accurate results.
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I think we can take these results seriously because I think by choosing people with similar backgrounds and personalities it shows how that type of person reacts to that kind of situation. I think a more diverse group of people with different personalities could have made the experiemnt more effective and given the experimenter wider and more accurate set of results.
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I agree with Ava’s statement because the experiment should still be taken seriously, however I don’t believe that adding diversity would give a more accurate set of the results, but rather a completley different set. The differences between participants would cause certain participants to be more inclined to like each other, possibly interfering with the prisoner guard relationship.
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I do no think we can take this experiment seriously because there needs to be diversity or this would not represent a community. I am not exactly sure because if there was lower class citizens who were in charge would they find mercy on the prisoners? I would hope that lower class citizens would find mercy but I don’t think that would happen. I feel like when power is given to anybody they would abuse it. “it becomes depressingly clear, is driven by rather ordinary social-psychological reactions.”
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I believe that the results are valid, but only towards the population of middle-aged educated, colleges aged males. If there had been diversity within the race , age, or gender of the subjects, the results most likely would have been very different. A more diverse group means people with different perspectives of things and a different lifestyle. It only takes one person to remind everyone that it is only an experiment and stop the violence and mental illness from corrupting it.
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If one person kept their good morals while in the role of a guard, it would have prevented several others from becoming abusive. Same with the prisoners, one person can keep reminding the others that it is not real.
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I do believe that we can take the results seriously, but I also believe that they should have chosen a more diverse group. I think the results would have, most likely, been much different because there would have been different reactions.
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I believe that the results can still be taken seriously, as including people of the same race with the same economic background removes the variable factors of ethnicity and development, allowing the only thing to effect the behavior of the participants is the brain. I think that a diverse group would introduce different variables, and likewise would produce different results because the differences may cause connections between inmates and guards with similarities, or simply different treatment of different types of people.
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I think the results could have been more concrete if there were a more diverse group of people. For example it might be different for people of different age groups because their age because older or younger people might approach/experience the situation differently. It doesn’t invalidate the results of the experiment but it could expand the experimenters’ findings.
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The results I do not believe are legit because of the similar sample used. A more diverse group would provide different interactions between people and different ways to handle situations.
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No, I do not think we can take results from such a similar group of people. In order to have a good analysis, there needs to be more diversity in age and in also including women into the experiment. From this experiment, these people were all similar and they all ended up behaving similarly in the end, even though their persistence differed from one another. However, I do not think that a more diverse group of people would produce dissimilar results. I think this experiment was directed into the core of humanity- how one responds when under pressure, and I think everyone exhibits similar traits in stressful scenarios.
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Philip Zimbardo, the man running the experiment, allowed himself to become involved in the study by making himself the warden. In this role he took on the same abusive behaviors as the other prison guards. DO you think it is okay for the person running the experiment to be involved in the study in this kind of role? How can this negatively or positively effect the experiment?
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i think no because it puts a bad reputation on his head that he is just an abuser. This can positively affect by the level of power he has to make people feel like they are in prison but it can make him out to be a bad person too. The experiment itself does not help his case in this situation.
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I agree because it just casts a negative light on the experiment and Zimbardo as a person.
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It is not okay for the person running the experiment to be involved. Situations just like this will happen where the person running the experiment will be so invested in what is happening, they will not be able to stop it if it gets out of hand.It can cause the experiment to turn into something dangerous, which is exactly what happened.
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I agree because it seems as though he is overexerting his power. It could possibly make people more disciplined but it seems like it caused major problems afterwards to the people.
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I agree with this because he is over using his power but joining in on abusing the prisoners. I agree that if things get to out of hand he would not be able to stop it because he was too invested in it.
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I do not think this is fair to have the person running it to also participate. There needs to be someone watching the experiment and observing to make sure everything goes as it should be. Especially in an experiment like this, it can
it can be negative because someone needs to be in the right mind-set to know when to call it quits if it starts to get out of hand. He also should be the one keeping track of all the participants behavior changes to really know the outcomes of the experiment. If he is involved, he won’t be paying attention or even get brainwashed as well. It can’t probably be a positive thing.
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I agree I think his whole mindset changed along with the participants. It got to the point where someone had to convince him it had gotten out of hand.
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I agree because there does need a separation of participant and experimenter. He was abusing his power which set an example to the guards.
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I agree that as overseer of the experiment he needed to be removed so as to act as a safetey switch in the event that anything went wrong, which it did.
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I do not think it is okay for the person running this experiment to be involved in it. He should be observing it and not taking part. If he did the same abusive things the other guards did then the guards may believe that what they are doing is okay because the person who ran the experiment is doing it. Things could get to out of hand with him being involved.
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I agree with this statement. It is his job to observe the experiment, he is not supposed to be someone he is testing. This is his experiment and therefore he should not play such a big role in it, he should be unbiased and impartial.
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I agree with Jamies statement that the person runng the experiment should not be involved and should just be observing whats going on. Another person who is not involved with the experiment should be watching over and making sure everythings in line.
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Yes, I believe it is okay because it helps her to see the experiment first hand and know exactly how they are reacting. I think this can positively effect this experiment because they will have a more clear understanding of the situation.
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As long as the experimenter has someone to keep them in line then it is ok to help but if he or she does get out of line then they can no longer participate in the experiment. Yes having a hands on approach, and having a clear understanding of th situaation is a positive but the risk is a little to high for me.
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I disagree because the experiment went wrong. He should have seen that as an observer something was wrong, but he didn’t because he was involved. I think it does the opposite of giving him a clearer understanding because he couldn’t recognize the unethical things occurring from the start, which he should have.
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No I don’t think it is ok for a person to be ok a part of the experiment because you have to remain impartial. Negatively this can only affect the experiment Negatively because like Zimbardo you can become obsessed and have tunnel vision.
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I think it would have been fine for him to be involved but not if he was going to act this way towards the prisoners. I think he should have stopped the guards from acting the way they did. He can negatively effect the experiment by showing bias towards what he wants to happen in the experiment by maybe treating others differently or letting some things go at different times.
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I think it is a bad idea for the person who’s conducting the experiment to get involved because they can get drawn into it just like Zimbardo. Zimbardo shouldn’t of made himself warden I think it put him in a position where he couldn’t see how much the subjects were being affected by this experiment and how much harm it was bringing them. I think Zimbardo being warden is what allowed the experiment to get out of hand.
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No, I do not think it is okay for the person running the experiment to be involved in the study with that kind of role. It causes him to get wrapped up in the power and just like the other guards he started to abuse that power. If he was not involved in the experiment with the role of warden, the experiment would not have gotten too far like it did.
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No I dont think that the person who is running the experiemnt should be involved. There should be another person who has nothing to do with the experiment running it to make sure nothing gets out of hand. It negatively effects the experiemnt because it could cause more harm to the people involved.
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I don’t think its okay to take on the role of someone who is abusive, even if this was part of the experiment. The warden could have still been in the experiment but not acquired the abusive traits that sometimes come with the job. It would have positively affected the experiment if they didn’t act abusively because it would have allowed the inmates to act without fear.
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I do not think it was right of him to join the experiment because that makes the experiment unreliable. Especially because the “guards” looked up to him. They saw him as in charge and the one who was paying them. This negatively effected the experiment because it created a bias. It positively effected this experiment because it did show how far people will go.
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I agree that it was not right for him to join the experiment especially because of the fact that he was seen as an authority figure and was participating in the violence influenced the other participants into seeing how far they could go.
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I do not think it is okay for the person running the experiment to be involved and immersed in the experiment. Obviously, there must have been other scientists monitoring the experiment, he being one of the head ones should have been watching and making sure that everything was under control. This negatively influenced the experiment because, someone had to convince him that the experiment had gotten out of hand, so if he hadn’t been involved, maybe he would have been able to recognize when things were getting bad and shut it down.
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If the warden had not been abusive, he would have realized how terrible this behavior was and most likely have ended the experiment sooner.
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I do not think it is okay because it makes the experiment appear to be even more of a reality. Seeing the warden being abusive probably made the guards act out even more, knowing they wouldn’t be in trouble for their behavior.
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As I stated in my response, the person conducting the experiment may decide to affect it so that the outcome is what they thought of beforehand. This can be done indirectly as you said via the guards seeing the warden being as abusive as them, causing further motivation to keep the bad treatment up.
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I believe that Dr. Zimbardo taking on the role of Wardern corrupted the experiment further. To decide to take on the role of “warden” and then proceed to commit the same acts you were there to study provides a blatant bias towards the guards which I believe is why it took so long for the experiment to be shut down. It is clearly not okay for the experimenter to enter into the experiment in this role. Him taking on this role also provides a negative effect on the experiment because it provides a clear bias to the guards and a blatant disregard to those acting as prisoners. He took part in breaking those who acted as prisoner and was an aid through it all.
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I think it’s to the experiment’s disadvantage that the one conducting it participates. This is because the person conducting the experiment may have preconceived notions or thoughts about the outcome of it, and due to that, he/she may attempt to affect the experiment so that the outcome is what the person conducting the experiment thought in the first place.
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I do not believe that it is appropriate for the person running the experiment to be a factor in the experiment. The positive is that he can more accuratley describe the thoughts feelings and other sensations felt by the guards. However it caused him to ignore the pertenant dangers that were occuring in the experiment.
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I think he should have remained an observer rather than involved himself because he didn’t know what could possibly happen during the experiment. It might make him biased and disregard the ethics of the experiment, which it did because the experiment should have ended once the guards took advantage of their position of power. It can negatively impact the experiment because he lost control of the experiment when he became involved.
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I agree because by observing he had not influence and had no idea of what could have happened next.
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I do not believe its a good idea as the head of the experiment to be part of it. This is so you can stay neutral and observe what’s going on to get clearer results than being bias on one side manipulating what’s happening. Ultimately the potential effectiveness of the experiment is not where it can be.
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No, I do not think that the person running the experiment should be involved in the study, especially having a role which holds such extreme power over another group of people. Furthermore, since he designed it, he knows what he is looking for. So, in that sense he could have made himself produce an expected result.
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“The situation may be a more powerful determinant of behaviors than personality traits of the people involved.” DO you think people’s personalities force them to make evil choices, or is it the situation that they are placed in that molds their decisions (like it is suggested in the reading) Please explain your answer.
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In this situation, the people did what they were told to do based on what they were given. They acted on their situation and other factors presented to them. I don’t think someone’s personality can cause them to act in ways this cruel, if they are sane.
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The results of the experiment were never because of the personalities of the subjects but were instead a product of the situation and roles they were given.
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The big thing for me is that everyone who participated in the experiment were as you described, sane human beings. None of them were going into the experiment hoping to be able to abuse people.
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I feel maybe some are just born with these kind of behaviors but for the most part people tend to follow the crowd rather than be themselves. IT makes the experiment less effective because most people dont want to themselves in these situations. In the reading it seems the guards are taking their power to the next level because they feel the situation they are placed in gives them the excuse to not follow the rules.
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I believe that situations people are placed in has a greater affect on their actions than there personality. I believe everyone is subjected to do something they don’t necessarily want to do, but if they find themselves in a certain situation i believe they are more likely to succumb to the pressure.
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I agree with this because i believe that it was the situation they were put in that made them behave like they did. They could have a very good personality but under pressure of the situation they are put in, start behaving like the others did.
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I agree that the sitautions people are placed in have a greater affect on their actions than their personality because in this case these people were put in an enviroment that caused their personalities to change and made them behave as the others did.
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Like I said in my response I agree with this statement. Under peer pressure it is rare for one to not succumb to pressure.
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I believe 100% that it is the situation that they are placed in that molds their decisions into making evil decisions. Yes it can also come from their personalities but in this case all the participants were tested normal prior to this and therefor this shows and explains how it is solemnly the situation in which they are placed.
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Definitely in this situation there a product of what the game of chance gave them graud or prisoner. But sometimes you are a product of what you choose and your persontialy. It all based on what can you do in that moment.
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I agree I don’t think people’s personalities are inherently bad. I think people react based on the situation they are given. People may have a personality better suited for something like this where they can put a stop to the behavior, but it is not the main cause of the situation.
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I agree that the people most absolutely react because of their said situation! If that was not true, the “Lucifer Effect” would not have been the outcome.
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I think it is going to be a little more of situation because in the Sandford Prison Experiment the only thing deciding factor was a coin flip, a game of chance. But you put your know twist with our personality, but if you have a strong personality then you can over come any situation.
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I think that they were responding to the situation they were put in. I think that they were told the roles they were so they did what they were told to do. For some people their personalities may have effected what they did but not for all of them.
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I also agree that they were responding to the situation they were put into. I think they also were scared about being disobedient so they just went along with everything.
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I think that it’s the situation and circumstances that the people are under that cause them to act the way they do. The way a person reacts could be different than others because of their personality.
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I do think that some people’s personalities could cause them to make evil choices whether they are born like that or maybe they were raised to think a certain way. In this situation I think that someone’s personality was definitely the cause because someone could have easily told the other guards to stop but they got too caught up in what everyone else is doing which could be because of a personality trait.
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I think it is a mix of personality and situation. Certain situations cause people to react a certain way depending on their personality traits. Although these people acted the way they did due to the situation they were placed in, that does not have to be true for everything. Some peoples morals may stop them from doing certain things. Although, a big component is the situation, personality is also a factor.
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I beleive that the situation they were placed in molded there decisions into making evil decisions. The enviroment they were in made them act the way the did and pressured them to act like the others did. I think that ones personality can make them act a certain way but in this case the situation these people were in made them act the way they did.
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I think that other people’s personalities play a role in making them do evil choices, but ultimately they have control over how they treat other people. I think the situation can also have control over other people and how the react in certain situations. Ultimately you have the choice of how you treat others and how you act.
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I agree that both personality and situation play a role in how people make decisions. People do have control over how they treat people, but also how they make this decisions is based on the situation that they are in.
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I think it does come down to the situation that is put into place. I think that it is very challenging to be put into a situation like this experiment. No matter what ones personality is, when one is put into a situation that is not normal I feel like crazy things happen.
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I think that it is the situation that ultimately molds the decisions people make. People tend to try and fit into the crowd in almost all aspects of everyday life, so it makes sense that if one person decides to make an evil decision, the rest will follow. Obviously, personality plays a role in how far people are willing to go, and with the initial person who starts the evil behavior, but ultimately people make decisions based on the situations they are in.
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If one of the guards had started acting abusive and the other guards had also seen the warden become abusive, they would think that behavior is normal and acceptable.
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I believe that while the situation molds their decisions, their personalities help determine how severely they acted. Some of the guards may not have been as abusive as the others and some prisoners may not have had the same reaction as others to this abuse.
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Personally I think that the situation is what molds the people into what they become. Your personality is a byproduct of where you come from and how you have been treated from said environment. If one were to be forced into a situation such as this I believe that most will take the form in which the subjects took as well. Having Zimbardo take place in the experiment as well did not help the situation too much.
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I agree with Lucas that personality is formed by their situation in life. Whatever their personality was like outside of the experiment was not relevant to the end result as their asigned roles gave them implied assigned personalities
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I believe it’s more so due to the situation people are placed in. All of the participants were checked beforehand, and all of their results showed that they were normal. The reason why the prison guards went with the abusive path is due to the circumstances they were faced with. Being given a position of power above others, seeing who was their leader act the same way as them, etc., led to them acting the way they did. I don’t think any of them went into this experiment hoping they’d be able to abuse prisoners. Rather, after seeing what their leader was doing combined with the sudden rush of feeling great due to being in a position of power, the experiment went sour and the abuse quickly came into play.
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I do not believe that a person’s personality forces them to make evil choices. Rather, it is the situation that they are in combined with their past experiences that are the factors in someone making evil decisions. The college students who played as the guards most likely do not act that way normally, but the environment of the experiment caused them to behave as they did.
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I agree because no one’s personality is naturally like this but its influenced by who they are around and the environment they are in.
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I think it is both because the participants weren’t completely forced to do the things they did. Had they been more firm in their morals they could have possibly avoided what happened, but that doesn’t mean the situation didn’t heavily influence them. The situation caused them to act differently than normal so it doesn’t accurately reflect who they are as people.
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I believe that no one is naturally born with an evil personality. From this I think that the evil actions made were influenced by the situation and environment the guards were put in.
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I do not think that people’s personalities “force them to make evil choices.” One is ultimately in control of the decisions they make, and that is independent of their personalities. It makes more sense that the choices one makes depend upon the situation. As we see in this experiment, being in a stressful situation with much internal and external pressure contributed to the “inmates’” choice to submit to their cruel authorities.
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Please think of 2 or more questions from the reading. Comment with them below. After this, try your best to answer the questions of two of your classmates using details from the reading.
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1. Why did Zimbardo allow the behavior to continue even though he saw what was happening and could stop it at any time?
2. Why didn’t the inmates stick up for themselves in the beginning when they felt like something was uncomfortable? They didn’t resist at all and I think if even one person gave push back the guards would listen before it got out of hand.
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1. Zimbardo allow the behavior and experiment because when he become a part of it he lot site that these people are boys
2. It didn’t really state in the article if the inmates try to sick up for themsevlfs but in the movie they defently resiste a lot.
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1. The reading says the Zimbardo himself became extremely immersed in his role as the Warden, and probably didn’t think anything of it since he was under the impression it was a normal prison.
2. The prisoners probably didn’t stick up for one another because they knew that they had to play along because of the experiment. Things probably escalated quickly and by the time things got bad, the prisoners were already completely immersed in the experiment and all of its effects.
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1. Zimbardo was too caught up in the experiment himself
2. The inmates already subjected themselves to the obedience of their authorities
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1.People tend to not want to be alone and prefer to just blend it with everyone else so they do not stand out. 2. To warn people about how your consequences can really affect your life in the long run and its not pretty.
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1. I think that smart people still follow crowds because they want to do what everyone else is doing or they are not confident in the decisions that that make for themselves so they follow others.
2. I think the warden wanted to to test how people would react to the roles they are in whether they are put into a role of power or not.
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1) I think that smart people follow the crowd because of fear. They don’t want to ruin the experiment or mess anything up.
2) the warden may have had good intentions when it came to seeing how the prison system works, but he just got way too wrapped up in it.
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1. i think smart people still follow the crowds because they do not want to defy to social norms. They want to do what everyone else is doing and not stick out as different.
2. I think the warden wanted to prove his theory of people and their fear of being the oddball. He also may have wanted to prove that when people are put in positions of power and are stripped of their power it is abused.
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1.) Why did the inmates continue to go on with the experiment when they clearly realized what kind of effect it was having on their mental health?
2.) When Zimbardo conducted this experiment did she not think that from making them sound off their numbers repeatedly and to do endless push-ups, occasionally with a guard’s foot or that of another prisoner on their backs would not drive them crazy and to persuade them into making these cruel actions?
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1. I think the inmates felt like they had to stay and finish the experiment. At first, I think it was easy to stay because nothing terrible had happened yet. Towards the end of the experiment, they stayed because their peers stayed.
2. I think Zimbardo was not even thinking the experiment would go as far as it did. And he was the warden so his mind was also affected by the experiment almost as much as the other participants.
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1. How could normal people take this experience way to far how could someone do that to another person.
2. The first person had a metal break down in less then 36 hours. How fast can the Lucifer effect take effect in someone.
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1. People tend to follow the crowd because they dont want to make decisions themselves It gives them an excuse to stay out of trouble almost.
2. I would say as soon as the situation gets so out of hand you cant take it anymore mentally and it causes people to have a change of heart and mind sometimes. PTSD, depression, and anxiety are common outcomes.
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1. Why do you think the prisoners kept taking the abuse from the guards instead of leaving?
2. Do you think that the experiment should have been stopped before it was or do you think it should have kept going?
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1. I think the prisoners kept taking the abuse from the guards because they wanted to actually see if they could make it through. In prisons you can’t just leave when you want so I think they had a mindset of actually being in prison after a while. They were also getting paid so I think that is a factor.
2. I think the experiment should have stopped because this is cruel and can really harm a person’s health. If they would have kept going, who knows how the people would have turned out. The longer someone is exposed to that kind of treatment, the more likely they actually go mentally insane.
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1. I think the prisoners kept taking the abuse because they felt pressure to continue and got into their roles of being “real prisoners”.
2. I think the experiment should have been stopped because of they way the prisoners started to act. It was becoming unhealthy and if they would have continued it could have gotten worse.
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1) I think that the prisoners were scared of being disobedient and wanted to comply with the rules
2) It should have been stopped way earlier than it was. It should have been stopped the second someone saw people being injured.
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1. They are either used to the abuse or they are doing it for the money.
2.I think once people started to go mentally insane there should have been a stop to the experiment.
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Response 1: I think the prisoners kept on taking the abuse instead of leaving because their minds were essentially tricked into believing the whole thing was real. Even when they were told this was an experiment before it began, the people labeled as prisoners acted as if this was real, one example being that they went so far as to say they’d give up their promised money in exchange for leaving early.
Response 2: I think the experiment should’ve been stopped by at the very latest day 2 if the abuse from the warden and guards continued. While some may argue that this was necessary to see how the human mind reacts to situations like this, I feel as if the method that would’ve been used could have been something different than what happened here.
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1. What do you think was the main reason that this experiment got out of hand? do you think the rules were too strict?
2. A woman that was helping Zimbardo with the experiment was the one that called it off. Why didn’t he realize that the experiment was getting too extreme if he was experiencing it too?
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1. I think the experiment got so out of hand was because they all started to believe they were the roles they were put in. The guards received more power then they had before and they let that get to their head. The prisoners started believing they were actually prisoners and believed they deserved the punishment they were receiving.
2. I think Zimbardo didn’t call it off because he was so caught up in the experiment that he didn’t realize what was going on was too much and should be stopped.
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1. Why would Zimbardo let this type of behavior happen when he probably knew how it was effecting people.
2. How to the prisoners from the experiment feel about it now and what would they have done differently.
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1. I believe it was a combination the fact that he involved himself in the experiment so he was also under the influence of the experiment, as well as the fact that he was preforming the experiment to see what the guards did so it was partly out of curiosity.
2. He agreed to stop when he and his college outside of the experiment talked about it, and while I believe he does regret the outcome, it was and still is a cornerstone of psychological experiments.
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1. Why did the prisoners let the guards treat them the way they did if it was just an experiment?
2.When did Zimbardo agree to stop the experiment and did he regret doing it in the first place?
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1) Why do you think only middle class, college men were chosen to take part in this experiment?
2) Do you think that the prisoners really could have left, but were just too engulfed in the experiment to leave?
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1. Why would Zimbardo risk making this experiment biased by involving himself?
2. How could a human being not see the mental affects on these people?
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1. I think he was not expecting the experiment to conclude the way it did and, seeing the guards’ behavior, become too caught up in the situation as well.
2. I believe that the experimenter himself becoming involved, the other people weren’t sure what to do.
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1. Why did the prisoners continue to go along with the experiment for as long as it did when they had the option of leaving?
2. Was there anyone else monitoring the experiment, and if so, when things began to get out of hand why did they shut it down?
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1. Why wasn’t the experiment stopped earlier?
2. Why wasn’t a more diverse group chosen for this experiment?
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Why would Zimbardo allow himself to take on a role in the experiment?
Why was the experiment not shut down as soon as people got hurt?
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Question 1: Did any of the people who were given the position of guard have an extremely negative perception of prisoners? (As in they would go out of their way to hurt one if given the chance?)
Question 2: How did this experiment affect those labeled as the prisoners in the long run in their lives?
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When exactly did this shift in power start?
How many prisoners became mentally ill?
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1. Why didn’t the inmates ever decide to play the “this is just an experiment” card on the guards to make them stop?
2. Were the inmates only in their roles because of the guards unethical behavior or would they have been able to do that on their own.
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1. Why didn’t any observers stop what was going on?
2. Should Zimbardo receive consequences?
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1. Why did Zimbardo create this experiment?
2. What did Zimbardo anticipate from the experiment’s results?
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