“My Dungeon Shook: Letter to My Nephew on the One-Hundredth Anniversary of the Emancipation.” The Fire next Time, by James Baldwin, Michael Joseph, 1963, pp. 13–21.
My Mind My Dungeon Shook originally appeared in The Progressive, Madison, Wisconsin
for James
James
Luc James
‘God gave Noah the rainbow sign,
No more water, the fire next time!’
LETTER TO MY NEPHEW ON THE ONE-HUNDREDTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE EMANCIPATION
Dear James:
I HAVE BEGUN this letter five times and tom it up five times. I keep seeing your face, which is also the face of your father and my brother. Like him, you are tough, dark, vulnerable, moody-with a very definite tendency to sound truculent because you want no one to think you are soft. You may be like· your grandfather in this, I don’t know, but certainly both you and your father resemble him very much physically. Well, he is dead, he never saw you, and he had a terrible life; he was defeated long before he died because, at the bottom of his heart, he really believed what white people said about him. This is one of the reasons that he became so holy. I am sure that your father has told you something about all that. Neither you nor your father exhibit any tendency towards holiness: you really are of another era, part of what happened when the Negro left the land and came into what the late E. Franklin Frazier called “the cities of destruction”. You can only be destroyed by believing that you really are what the white world calls a nigger. I tell you this because I love you, and please don’t you ever forget it.
I have known both of you all your lives, have carried your Daddy in m~ anns and on my shoulders, kissed and spanked him and watched him learn to walk. I don’t know if you’ve known anybody from that far back; if you’ve loved anybody that long, first as an infant, then as a child, then as a man, you gain a strange perspective on time and human pain and effort. Other people cannot see what I see whenever I look into your father’s face, for behind your father’s faoe as it is today are all those other faces which were his. Let him laugh and I see a cellar your father does not remember and a house he does not remember and I hear in his present laughter his laughter as a child.
Let him curse and I remember him falling down the cellar steps, and howling, and I remember, with pain, his te~, which my hand or your grandmother’s so easily wiped away. But no one’s hand can wipe away those tears he sheds invisibly today, which one hears in his laughter and in his speech and in his songs. I know what the world has done to my brother and how narrowly he has survived it. And I know, which is much worse, and this is the crime of which I accuse my country and my countrymen, and for which neither I nor time nor history will ever forgive them, that they have destroyed and are destroying hundreds of thousands of lives and do not know it and do not want to know it. One can be, indeed one must strive to become, tough and philosophical concerning destruction and death, for this is what most of mankind has been best at since we have heard of man. (But remember: most of mankind is not all of mankind.) But it is not permissible that the authors of devastation should also be innocent. It is the innocence which constitutes the crime.
Now, my dear namesake, these innocent and well-meaning people, your countrymen, have caused you to be born under conditions not very far removed from those described for us by Charles Dickens in the Lon-don of more than a hundred years ago. (I hear the chorus of the innocents screaming, “No! This is not true! How bitter you are ! “-but I am writing this letter to you, to try to tell you something about how to handle them, for most of them do not yet really know that you exist. I know the conditions under which you were born, for I was there. Your countrymen were not there, and haven’t made it yet. Your grandmother was also there, and no one has ever accused her of being bitter. I suggest that the innocents check with her. She isn’t hard to find. Your countrymen don’t know that she exists, either, though she has been working for them all their lives.)
Well, you were born, here you came, something like fifteen years ago; and though your father and mother and grandmother, looking about the streets through which they were carrying you, staring at the walls into which they brought you, had every reason to be heavyhearted, yet they were not. For here you were, Big James, named for me-you were a big baby, I was not-here you were: to be loved, To be loved, baby, hard, at once, and forever, to strengthen you against the loveless world. Remember that: I know how black it looks today, for you. It looked bad that day, too, yes, we were trembling. We have not stopped trembling yet, but if we had not loved each other none of us would have survived. And now you must survive because we love you, and for the sake of your children and your children’s children.
This innocent country set you down in a ghetto in which, in fact, it intended that you should perish. Let me spell out precisely what I mean by that, for the heart of the matter is here, and the root of my dispute with my country. You were born where you were born and faced the’ future that you faced because you were black and /or no other reason. The limits of your ambition were, thus, expected to be set .for ever. You were born into a society which spelled out with brutal clarity, and in as many ways as possible, that you were a worthless human being. You were not expected to aspire to excellence: you were expected to make peace with mediocrity. Wherever you have turned, James, in your short time on this earth, you have been told where you could go and what you could do (and how you could do it) and where you could live and whom you coul~ marry. I know your countrymen do not agree with me about this, and I hear them saying, “You exaggerate.” They do not know Harlem, and I do. So do you. Take no one’s word for anything, including mine-but trust your experience. Know whence you came, there is really no limit to where you can go. The details and symbols of your life have been deliberately constructed to make you believe what white people say about you. Please try to remember that what they believe, as well as what they do and cause you to endure, does not testify to your inferiority but to their inhumanity and fear. Please try to be clear, dear James, through the storm which rages about your youthful head today, about the reality which lies behind the words acceptance and integration, There is no reason for you to try to become like white people and there is no basis whatever for their impertinent assumption that they must accept you. The really terrible thing, old buddy, is that you must accept them. And I mean that very seriously. You must accept them and accept them with love. For these innocent people have no other hope. They are, in effect, still trapped in a history which they do not understand; and until they understand it, they cannot be released from it. They have had to believe for many years, and for innumerable reasons, that black men are inferior to white men. Many of them, indeed, know better, but, as you will discover, people find it very difficult to act 0n what they know. To act is to be committed, and to· be committed is to be in danger. In this case, the danger, in the min.ds of most white Americans, is the loss of their identity. Try to imagine how you would feel if you woke up one morning to find the sun shining and all the stars aflame. You would be frightened because it is out of the order of nature. Any upheaval in the universe is terrifying because it so profoundly attacks one’s sense of one’s own reality. Well, the black man has functioned in the white man’s world as a fixed star, as an immovable pillar: and as he moves out of his place, heaven and earth are shaken to their foundations. You, don’t be afraid. I said that it was intended that you should perish in the ghetto, perish by never being allowed to go behind the white man’s definitions, by never being allowed to spell your proper name. You have, and many of us have, defeated this intention; and, by a terrible. law, a terrible paradox, those innocents who believe that your imprisonment made them safe are losing their grasp of reality. But these men are your brothers-your lost, younger brothers. And if the word integration means anything, this is what it means: that we, with love, shall force our brothers to see themselves as they are, to cease fleeing from reality and begin to change it. For this is your home, my friend, do not be driven from it; great men have done great things here, and will again, and we can make America what America must become. It will be hard, James, but you come from sturdy, peasant stock, men who picked cotton and dammed rivers and built railroads, and, in the teeth of the most terrifying odds, achieved an unassailable and monumental dignity. You come from a long line of great poets, some of the greatest poets since Homer. One of them said, The very time I thought I was lost, My dungeon shook and my chains fell off.
You know, and I know, that the country is celebrat-ing one hundred years of freedom one hundred. years too soon. We cannot be free until they are free. God bless you, James, and Godspeed.
Your uncle,
James.
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https://progressive.org/magazine/letter-nephew/
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Who is Micheal Joseph ? Is he someone important to James Baldwin ?
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Im thinking the same thing as well
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Or Michael could be one of James’s close buddies and wanted to help publish this letter to honor/glorify him.
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what does the creator of this quote mean about “no more water, the fire next time!”
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What does emancipation mean?
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James Baldwin wrote this letter to his nephew (who was named after him) in 1963. Yeah, last century – seems like a long time ago. But it was only 57 years ago. I was 1 year old in 1963, and I don’t feel old.
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I think it shows how what people say can affect you, I think his father killed himself because of what white people were saying.
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Baldwin writes a letter to his nephew. He begins on how him and his father are part of a new era.
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Like how he was like his nephew but also how his nephew was just like his dad. James brother.
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THis important is a very important letter from baldwin
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I agree, I think he ripped it up many times to find the right words to express himself.
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I agree, he might have wanted this letter to be perfect because both this topic and his nephew are very important to him. He probably wanted his nephew to know every important detail about the past, to better understand it, and to learn and benefit from it. James wanted to help his nephew to understand why his father is the way he is.
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Because in the text James Baldwin mentions how he has the same tendency to act aggressive to avoid being seen as soft. “Like him, you are tough, dark, vulnerable, moody-with a very definite tendency to sound truculent because you want no one to think you are soft.”
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I think he killed himself because I think the white people said really horrible things to him. About his skin,and how he looks, When it says he “couldn’t take it anymore” I think he killed himself.
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i think white people killed his father
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i agree with you
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the grandpa believed that everything the white people thought was right
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maybe??
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He “became holy” by becoming a preacher, and did so because he believed what white people said about him as a black man — that he was an n-word. He became a preacher to try to improve himself and his people, in order to get white people to respect them.
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yeah I agree with you because the part where the uncle writes " he really believed what white people said about him." This part made me realized that James Baldwin’s dad did listen to what white people said which destroyed him. The uncle is letting James know what happens when someone listens to white people.
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If he were to also believe what the white people said about him and was defeated that would imply that if you believe what white people say then you’ve already lost.
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He’s basically telling us to be brave and not to fear the racist white people, because if you don’t believe them then you won’t be destroyed just like what issy said
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This sentence shows how the only way you’ll get destroyed is if you believe what other say about you.
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James wants his nephew to see things differently. He can’t allow others to bring him down because they will feed off that and never let him get back up again. He has to stay positive and hang on. Not let the White people bother him cause it will only cause pain.
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This means The father believed everything the white people called him and told him so he’s telling the son not to be like his own father
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I believe this statement means that if you believe what the “white world” would refer to you as you’ll be effected.
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the white people are trying to oppress the black and colored people
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his grandpa shows him a lot of love
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the wording is really powerful and has a lot of passion put into it. You can tell its about someone important
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Baldwin cares for his brother very much and I think he implies that his nephew is very much like his father in both looks and personality.
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he has lots of love for this nephew
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an infant is like a child or baby
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His nephew is his brother’s son who he explained on, in who he is.
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I think this means, whenever he sees his brother He thinks about different memories and different faces his brother made in some memories.
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Its almost like while the uncle was thinking about these moments he started reminiscing about the past and he felt as if he was reliving those moments and able to write about it dearly.
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I think that Baldwin is saying he understands his brothers pain and cries when no one else notices. I think he is also a preacher which Baldwin notices his pain behind his words.
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“world has done to my brother and how narrowly he has survived it”.
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Or is he talking about Racism and injustice in general
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i agree
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i also agree
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The author talks about how the countrymen are ruining lives and he blames the country. Then he talks about it;s the innocence that constitutes the crime meaning it’s the innocents that create the crime. So i think this relates to Black men and women being thrown in jail even though they are innocent. This is a outgoing problem now in the World
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I think that Baldwin is trying to teach his nephew to keep his head up high and to not let anyone else tell him where his place is.
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I agree with that
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He’s saying how to deal with white people who run this country
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He talks about not listening or believing what white people have to say about him and how to not live with hatred in his heart. As if the uncle is preparing him for what is to come.
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He speaks of her in the present tense, indicating that she’s alive in 1963. “She isn’t hard to find… she exists… she has been working…” Even though she is working for white people – as a maid in their houses, as a factory worker making their shirts, or whatever – they look right through her. It’s like she’s invisible to them. They get to stay clueless about her poverty by not paying any attention to her – as long as she does their work.
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Its because she sticks to herself I believe she keeps quiet so they don’t have a reason to pick on her she does her job and leaves without getting into any mishaps.
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I think the nephew doesn’t know the grandmother either because she passed away or Baldwin’s nephew lived somewhere else.
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“Countrymen don’t know she exists, either, though she has been working for them all their lives”.
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I think Baldwin is speaking on slavery and how his nephew needs to escape it to keep him and his future generations safe.
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I don’t believe he is sayin that his nephews parents were in the streets. He is talking about the “looking about the streets” meaning, what the world has to offer him. He is saying that his nephew was made out of love but that the world he has been brought into is unkind and loveless. This is based purely from racial constructs and a belief in white superiority and black inferiority.
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To strengthen from the hate he might get
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If he were to be not loved and be weak then that would imply that being loved and knowing people love you would allow you to have the strength to stand up against the loveless world.
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The uncle mentions how they have survived because they didn’t live with hatred but love and how they were all together through it all. Almost showing James that living with hatred wont benefit him in any way.
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i agree with your point
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hence why he said “but if we had not loved each other none of us would have survived.”
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Baldwin gives word of wisdom to his nephew and advice on the world, he is a very wise person and seems very kind.
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-How it wasn’t fair for them
-People were not treating them fair as they should be treated etc.
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He says now that he said that because his nephew who is an educated man does not represent stereotypes created by white people.
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because he does state “the limit of your ambition were, thus, expected to be set .for ever.” I just think that it kinda sucks having your future already planned out for you based on where you live, since some may not be as great depending on the area.
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I think he wrote this part to tell his nephew to be the best version of himself and not let society put him down.
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I totally agree what you’re saying
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I agree with this because they had always believed that the white people were better than the black people and as a result blacks were treated more animals and property than actual people.
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I think he’s trying to say that so many black people have been the foundation of white peoples success without getting any of the credit and as they start to rise up and accomplish stuff on their own white people are angered by it. (maybe this is just a guess)
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and knowing that this isn’t all I wonder what other things they have gone through knowing there situation at that time?
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“and my chains fell off”.
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I think Baldwin implies that there is more to fight for and that all people need to be free.
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There will always be something others can’t “allow”/see as there own.
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I agree because even though they try to make themselves believe there’s nothing wrong with their thinking, by celebrating 100 years of freedom. they won’t believe it, because they’re just hiding the truth. They will still treat the blacks the same, because they aren’t free from their racist perspective.
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African Americans can’t be set free until white people are free from their rasict mindset, until then African Americans can’t be free entirely. “we cannot be free until they are free”.
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“I keep seeing your face, which is also the face of your father and my brother”.
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