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Resistance to Civil Government, called Civil Disobedience for short, is an essay by American Transcendentalist Henry David Thoreau that was first published in 1849. In it, Thoreau argues that individuals should not permit governments to overrule or atrophy their consciences, and that they have a duty to avoid allowing such acquiescence to enable the government to make them the agents of injustice. Thoreau was motivated in part by his disgust with slavery and the Mexican–American War (1846–1848).

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Excerpt from Civil Disobedience By Henry David Thoreau

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I HEARTILY ACCEPT the motto, — "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted upon more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, — "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient. The objections which have been brought against a standing army, and they are many and weighty, and deserve to prevail, may also at last be brought against a standing government. The standing army is only an arm of the standing government. The government itself, which is only the mode which the people have chosen to execute their will, is equally liable to be abused and perverted before the people can act through it. Witness the present Mexican war, the work of comparatively a few individuals using the standing government as their tool; for, in the outset, the people would not have consented to this measure.

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Faith Faith Young Faith Faith Young (Oct 27 2020 1:16PM) : The most important part. more

I think this sentence is the one we should really look at. In this sentence he talks about how we should react humanly, then as humans if we agree with the philosophy of what that leader wants, then go ahead and follow that leader. In this case with the Romantic and Transcendentalist ideas of restricting pretty much almost every human right. It is a good example of… Maybe you should not follow this leader and group’s philosophy. Which is basically what the author is saying here. Indeed, a government is important, but individuals who are free and creative make that government work. After all, the government is voice by many opinions, but it is not until the government listens to their human needs that makes the government work. That is what creates a develop, diverse, and beautiful community. 

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Faith Faith Young Faith Faith Young (Oct 27 2020 1:32PM) : Powerful way to look at Romantic and Transcendentalist ideals more

With all the rules that they had to do in order to be a"follower" is unhuman. The author is saying on this line, that it is not until individuals have their own power, that we can be a great community. It does not mean that they were committing a sin, it just means we are coming together even more as a community. You can have the same major beliefs, but you can also have smaller different beliefs, because that’s who we are as humans. We are the symbol of diversity, and if the government takes that, then we are just subjects. Not a community, and that is not what their religion is about in any shape.

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Noah Hankin Noah Hankin (Oct 26 2020 7:53PM) : Example of Romantic Thought more

This sentence is a clear example of the Romantic ideal individualism. The idea that the government should generally stay out of people’s way is a common thought that people who believe in individualism want. Thoreau openly accepts this idea, and wishes that it was enforced more effectively. Perhaps he wants this for economic reasons, mainly to become richer. However, I think that Thoreau and other Romantics believed in individualism because they thought that people should create their own system by which they live. Government automatically restricts this idea, and so Thoreau and other Romantics did not like a strong government.

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Faith Faith Young Faith Faith Young (Oct 27 2020 1:58PM) : Reply more

Like you said, the government was forcing them to be chained down and in this way it did affect the government, as well their life’s happiness. The government just did not see it would be more efficient to let them be diverse individuals, because they were scared what exactly could happen to the government if it was more free. Like you said, many people did not want to be controlled like this, because that is their lives, they don’t want a map to guide them how they live. It might of been for economic reasons like you said, but heck if money was a good enough reason back then for people to finally say, hey this is not right (Which I mean is a problem, but it solved this major problem of not standing against it). So I agree with you, no matter the reason that driven you to take action and write about this, is clearly important for society back then. 

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Michael Bales Michael Bales (Oct 27 2020 9:40PM) : self government more

When we consider whether these people wanted to be self government, I wonder if they considered that they would be giving up all of their protection. The social contract is the concept that we give up certain freedoms for safety. If not everyone one is as educated and shares the same ideals as them, I not sure that Thoreau would be as content with more self government has he writes.

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William Guth William Guth (Oct 25 2020 5:45PM) : Best example of Transcendentalist thought in the text more

This sentence best exemplifies the self reliant and individualist attitudes of the trancendentalists. This dislike of statism is most evident here, as this quote implies it as incompatible with free individuals

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Owen Robinson Owen Robinson (Oct 27 2020 11:03PM) : Reply (extra) more

While I agree with everything you mentioned, I also feel like there is more to this argument. Thoreau most definitely supported individualism and self-reliance as a romantic and advocated for the abolition of any group, system of union that opposed these concepts, but that was simply Thoreau’s perspective on the matter. He was openly biased about this during his time in prison, and could not honestly take an unbiased position. However, to say that transcendentalism was in sole opposition would most likely not hold true, for the transcendentalist movement was in opposition to rationalism and science rather than political ideology, and they would not openly oppose a union so much as disagree and remain divided. For this reason I believe that it is most likely that this call for abolition was more in line with the bias of Thoreau rather than the ideas of the transcendentalists.

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Meghan Edwards Meghan Edwards (Oct 25 2020 11:10PM) : best line more

This is the best line in the text because it shows how Thoreau feels about the government. The way he uses expedient and inexpedient suggest that he is skeptical of the government. He says that the government is able to achieve things in certain cases but it can’t do anything more. He expresses that governments are mainly not suitable and inefficient. The government appears to only be an expedient and a way to get to the end of something. It exists because people have chosen to let the government carry out their will. However, it is prone to misuse. In today’s society, this still remains true and there are people in the government who abuse their power. We see police today abuse their power by using excessive force, doing warrantless searches and arrests, and assaulting citizens. All of this connects to Thoreau’s ideas because police are supposed to get to the end of something but they commonly misuse this system and their power.

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This American government — what is it but a tradition, though a recent one, endeavoring to transmit itself unimpaired to posterity, but each instant losing some of its integrity? It has not the vitality and force of a single living man; for a single man can bend it to his will. It is a sort of wooden gun to the people themselves. But it is not the less necessary for this; for the people must have some complicated machinery or other, and hear its din, to satisfy that idea of government which they have. Governments show thus how successfully men can be imposed on, even impose on themselves, for their own advantage. It is excellent, we must all allow. Yet this government never of itself furthered any enterprise, but by the alacrity with which it got out of its way. It does not keep the country free. It does not settle the West. It does not educate. The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. For government is an expedient by which men would fain succeed in letting one another alone; and, as has been said, when it is most expedient, the governed are most let alone by it. Trade and commerce, if they were not made of India rubber, would never manage to bounce over the obstacles which legislators are continually putting in their way; and, if one were to judge these men wholly by the effects of their actions, and not partly by their intentions, they would deserve to be classed and punished with those mischievous persons who put obstructions on the railroads… But, to speak practically and as a citizen, unlike those who call themselves no-government men, I ask for, not at once no government, but at once a better government. Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect, and that will be one step toward obtaining it.

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Meghan Edwards Meghan Edwards (Oct 25 2020 9:34PM) : represents romantic ideals more

This quote demonstrates the romantic ideal of individualism. Thoreau develops the idea that the individual is full of “vitality and force” through his comparison between a man and the government, which he calls a “tradition.” This contrast shows that strong beliefs make an individual powerful and that the government is weakening and becoming less effective. He demonstrates that individuals possess enough power and influence to make someone do something. This shows the value of the individual and that the government is not all that powerful. And that the individual can have a large impact on the government.

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Owen Robinson Owen Robinson (Oct 27 2020 10:26PM) : Romantic Representation [Edited] more

This quote is interesting because while it does not explicitly state a key concept of romanticism, it does suggest a criticism of those who fail to meet these ideas, and thus, explores romantic ideals. Specifically, the crude way in which Thoreau states the people’s “…complicated machinery…” implies his opposite view on the matter. The romantic ideas of withdrawal so as to maintain individuality and clarity are tarnished by the government, as it directly opposes this natural human separation practice. People congregate to gain both safety and unity, but this “satisfaction” of human desire is met with contempt and scorn. The people are achieving nothing, but only ignoring the truth of life. The romantic ideas of individuality and human understanding are cast to the wayside by those too weak to attempt their own journey and will sit there until they regret the weight of their actions, as regret is a vision with perfect clarity.

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Madeline Garbacz Madeline Garbacz (Oct 20 2020 11:32AM) : represents the romantic ideals [Edited] more

This quote, including the 3 sentences above it demonstrates the romantic ideals because it is saying that the American people were the ones who kept their country free and settled the west, not the constitution. He is arguing that unlike what many thought at the time the constitution did not serve to make these things happen for Americans. He is arguing that the spirit of the people motivated them to accomplish what they did. In the time of today, we tend to think that the constitution accomplished a ton of things after it was written, but in reality, it is a piece of paper. The only reason that it carries weight is that the American people honor it, and follow it. Therefore the accomplishments of the constitution are in actuality the accomplishments of the people.

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Ms. Sara Jones Ms. Sara Jones (Oct 20 2020 11:41AM) : That's some slick thinking... more

And a quotable quote of your own! “… the accomplishments of the constitution are in actuality the accomplishments of the people.” I can hear congresspeople jumping to their feet!

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Student Katie Taylor Student Katie Taylor (Oct 20 2020 12:48PM) : Reply more

I really like your tone in this. It really demonstrated how little value the constitution holds and only when we as a collective made the decision to give it meaning did it become a big deal. It is very common in many governments, specifically our own, to follow what came before us, but with your thoughts, you show that sometimes that is not the best way of thinking for the people you are governing; that in that are you are doing more harm than good. Your comment also shows human nature in action; when we want something we take it. The only reason we have the rights that we do today is because of minorities protesting the wrongdoings of our government.

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William Guth William Guth (Oct 25 2020 12:13PM) : Reply more

This quote demonstrates a romantic ideal: that freedom is an action as opposed to a inherent thing. Sure, the constitution may have some empty promise of rights, which indeed are just an appropriation of the freedom that people create and preform. Freedom does not come from above but instead from within, which no words on a piece of paper can change, and indeed can pervert by forcing it into a single realm of interpretation.

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Mr Peter kozlowski Mr Peter kozlowski (Nov 22 2020 4:18PM) : Reply more

I see what you mean. Thoreau tells of his belief that the American government is needed to a certain extent. But, at the same time, states how more is achieved when the government steps aside. Thus creating an opening for the American people to take over, to be creative, and to get things done. The government takes credit for many things it did not achieve. These accomplishments come from “the character of the American people”. And much more would have been achieved if the government had not been in the way. So true.

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Madeline Garbacz Madeline Garbacz (Oct 21 2020 11:03AM) : Best line in the text more

This line is the best in the text because he is saying that the government slows things down instead of gets them done and that he does want a government, just not the one that is available right now. This is great because It has a deeper meaning, that he is comparing those who slow down trade as the same as people who are punished for blocking railroads. This could signify a strike from a railroad company, and the people forming blockades are the protestors. Also, the fact that he is not wanting no government shows that he knows that a government is the best thing for a people. But by asking for a better government, that is pretty general, meaning that he wants the best government for all, not just himself. I find the comparison with this quote in today’s world because there are a lot of protests and hypocrisy among congresspeople going on right now, and calling them out on it does nothing. The asking for a better government for the people is also a common theme in the protests, and I am sure that like today, he was misunderstood for only wanting a government that benefits him.

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Alice Carroll Alice Carroll (Oct 25 2020 3:20PM) : Response more

I like your explanation of the railroad metaphor. When I first read this section I did not fully think through the idea but from reading what you wrote I further appreciate and understand the imagery and ideas at play here. I also like and agree with your point about the generalness and thus inclusivity of the calling for a better government. Oftentimes vagueness is said to be a negative thing. We are often pushed for specificity, but by being specific we cut things out. Instead of a general variety of things it becomes only one specific thing. However, as you pointed out, in this sentence vagueness is used purposefully and positively to convey inclusivity.

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After all, the practical reason why, when the power is once in the hands of the people, a majority are permitted, and for a long period continue, to rule, is not because they are most likely to be in the right, nor because this seems fairest to the minority, but because they are physically the strongest. But a government in which the majority rule in all cases cannot be based on justice, even as far as men understand it. Can there not be a government in which majorities do not virtually decide right and wrong, but conscience? — in which majorities decide only those questions to which the rule of expediency is applicable? Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? Why has every man a conscience, then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right. It is truly enough said that a corporation has no conscience; but a corporation of conscientious men is a corporation with a conscience. Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice. ...

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Martin Laugesen Martin Laugesen (Oct 27 2020 11:29PM) : Romantic Ideals more

This sentence reveals Thoreau’s main grievance under government rule. He states that the only reason the majority rule is not that they are more just than the minority but that they have the power to seize control. The main implication in this claim is that the majority ruling due to power makes them unjust, which ties to the romantic ideal of the importance of the individual. This pure focus on individuality leads to self importance, sometimes beneficial and others not. Because an individual is more important than a rule they deem to be unjust it is impossible to operate within a society governed by said rules. The motivation for Thoreau’s protest of majority rule is somewhat questionable, as his main action against injustices was refusing to pay taxes. Taking issue with ways our country is operating is common and necessary for improvement, however the actions taken to correct these issues must be more than a social or political statement to avoid self-indulgence. It is not rare for people to have legitimate grievances with the world that affect not only them but many others and naturally gravitate towards only addressing the parts of these grievances that affect them. Often an effective way to deal with this is pushing for impact rather than simply messaging.

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Mr Peter kozlowski Mr Peter kozlowski (Nov 22 2020 4:28PM) : Reply more

It is interesting how we often seem to take it for granted that the ‘ majority rules’. Yet if we were to follow Thoreau’s philosophy it is evident that laws should be made by following our conscience, by looking to be just and doing what is right. We must respect what is right before we respect what is the law. Law can be and are often unjust. We the people should feel obligated to do what is right.

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Josiah Harrison Josiah Harrison (Oct 23 2020 1:15PM) : Best Text more

This would be the best line in the text because it speaks for itself by saying that a government as “fair as ours” still show very little mercy to some who do wrong.

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Maisie Pines Maisie Pines (Oct 28 2020 12:09AM) : Best Line of the Text more

This line is the best line, I believe, of the text for many reasons. The main one being that I think it encompasses the most important question romanticism raises. It raises the questions of abandoning freewill for the government for whatever reason, but that whatever the reason, is it really good enough that you would give up your freedom for it? Also this sentence is what really made this whole text believable to me, in terms of persuasion and understanding. This sentence got right to the point and the root of romanticism at it’s core, and asked the question of how far will you go in terms of morality/liberty for the government?

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Josiah Harrison Josiah Harrison (Oct 23 2020 1:18PM) : The reason men have a "conscience" in this sense is because we as people should be able to think and speak upon our own behalf without fear of someone turning us down and shoving us into a metaphorical corner
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Celia Barbieri Celia Barbieri (Oct 20 2020 11:43AM) : Demonstration of Romantic Ideals more

Thoreau is describing here his belief that they should place their own well-being morally and ethically above their potential duties as a citizen. This demonstrates the romantic concept of individualism, and the individual’s ability to determine what is right for themself. He is using this as evidence for his civil disobedience, saying that those individuals outside of the majority still must stand up for what is right. In terms of a wider message, it represents the spiritual self-centerdness that comes with Romanticism. The notion that the individual can be literally the center of their own universe is heavily Romantic, and it reflects that deep and unshakeable desire of Romantics of the era to stand out of the crowd and create their own proverbial map of society and the world.

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Kaia Garbacz Kaia Garbacz (Oct 20 2020 12:30PM) : Response more

You’re saying that Thoreau is using this belief to justify his civil disobedience and that this example of individualism demonstrates how this is a Romantic-era piece. I agree with you; this shows how the author places the individual above the government. Today especially, Americans must clutch onto the fact that they are not their government, and they are their own people with their own ideas and motivations.

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Mr Peter kozlowski Mr Peter kozlowski (Nov 22 2020 2:52PM) : Best Line: The key ideas' are that individuals are obligated to do what is right and just. It is easy to blame corporations and do nothing. To be agents of change within a corporation, we need to be conscientious, so the corporation has a conscience. more

There were many great lines in the text. But for me, the best line was “It is truly enough said that a corporation has no conscience; but a corporation of conscientious men is a corporation with a conscience.” I have often heard it said that corporations have no conscience and therefore it appears that no one is at fault. Yet the line above clarifies that it really is an individual thing and that we can and should hold corporations to account. Our obligation as individuals is to do what is right.

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What is the price-current of an honest man and patriot to-day? They hesitate, and they regret, and sometimes they petition; but they do nothing in earnest and with effect. They will wait, well disposed, for others to remedy the evil, that they may no longer have it to regret. At most, they give only a cheap vote, and a feeble countenance and Godspeed, to the right, as it goes by them. There are nine hundred and ninety-nine patrons of virtue to one virtuous man; but it is easier to deal with the real possessor of a thing than with the temporary guardian of it…

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Kaia Garbacz Kaia Garbacz (Oct 20 2020 12:25PM) : Best Line in the Text [Edited] more

This line says that many people, instead of taking action, wait, feel guilty, and sometimes petition. Thoreau is saying that many people won’t take action about injustices. In today’s world, we see this with the protests over police brutality, and how many (usually white) people are still ridden with guilt that stops them from doing anything to help, leaving them to do nothing and just hope that it gets better.

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Celia Barbieri Celia Barbieri (Oct 21 2020 10:56AM) : Response more

Yes,I like your point that we can definitely see this same fact reflected in modern society. I think a great example of this is “performative wokeness,” or the similar concept of “virtue signaling” that is a bit older. In both of these modern phenomenons, we see people experiencing guilt over the problems in the world and proceeding to do very little honest work on it while still seeming to care about it. An example of performative wokeness would be posting “#blm” and signing an online petition or two, but not participating in real action by donating time, money, etc. I really like your selection of this line especially since it reflects those true problems today that I discussed. Not only that, but this unuseful waffling over injustice is something that most people with privilege of one type or another have experienced. Hopefully many of us have gone past the bare minimum of wringing hands and signing a petition, but sometimes people do end up doing as Thoreau says: “nothing in earnest and with effect.”

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William Guth William Guth (Oct 25 2020 12:19PM) : Reply more

In modern society, this facet is still demonstrated. While most societies see it as socially desirable to act “for justice” or society has evolved a subset that use this as a way to gain social capital off of real and painful struggles, such as companies with histories of the higher ups donating to homophobic lobbies putting a pride flag on their twitter pfp. It often extends even beyond inaction into the realm of malice or avarice, or a desire to appease one’s own guilt.

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Maisie Pines Maisie Pines (Oct 28 2020 12:25AM) : Response more

I strongly agree with the point you have made for many reasons. Many people today only feel the need to contribute to bettering society and standing up for groups of people out of guilt (white guilt), but they do not follow through with helping, like you said, because they feel responsible. Also, the form of “performative activism” has only been detrimental to the real issues in this world because it draws attention away from the voices and causes that need to be heard in favor of some celebrity posting photos of them standing on a police vehicle, “standing for justice”, when in actuality they are just scared of being seen as the fake woke person they are.

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It is not a man's duty, as a matter of course, to devote himself to the eradication of any, even the most enormous wrong; he may still properly have other concerns to engage him; but it is his duty, at least, to wash his hands of it, and, if he gives it no thought longer, not to give it practically his support. If I devote myself to other pursuits and contemplations, I must first see, at least, that I do not pursue them sitting upon another man's shoulders. I must get off him first, that he may pursue his contemplations too. See what gross inconsistency is tolerated. … The soldier is applauded who refuses to serve in an unjust war by those who do not refuse to sustain the unjust government which makes the war; is applauded by those whose own act and authority he disregards and sets at naught; as if the state were penitent to that degree that it hired one to scourge it while it sinned, but not to that degree that it left off sinning for a moment. Thus, under the name of Order and Civil Government, we are all made at last to pay homage to and support our own meanness. After the first blush of sin comes its indifference; and from immoral it becomes, as it were, unmoral, and not quite unnecessary to that life which we have made….

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Alice Carroll Alice Carroll (Oct 25 2020 2:53PM) : Best Sentence [Edited] more

This is the best sentence because of it’s imagery and message. In this sentence Thoreau is saying that when one chooses to pursue something they must make sure they are not using someone else to do it. The imagery of being on another’s shoulders gives the idea of putting another down to put yourself up. People often use others for self advancement while hurting that person. Sometimes this happens without one thinking about it, such as buying inhumanely made materials. That’s why it is important to check, as Thoreau says, to make sure one’s success does not come at the cost of another.

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Meghan Edwards Meghan Edwards (Oct 25 2020 11:30PM) : response more

I like the way that you mentioned the imagery of this quote. I believe it adds to the meaning of what he is saying. I think that he wanted his ideas to be achieved by his own hard work and not by the work of another man. He expresses that if you want something you should reach for it and not depend on someone else to give it to you. By sitting on someone’s shoulders you are depending on them to hold you up. Thoreau was trying to show that you can’t depend on someone to reach your own efforts, and you need to be able to hold yourself up. Today, people sometimes depend on other people in order to accomplish something, rather than solely completing the task. People do not always carry their own weight and put in the work. But Thoreau did not like that and valued putting in the work by himself.

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Unjust laws exist; shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once? Men generally, under such a government as this, think that they ought to wait until they have persuaded the majority to alter them. They think that, if they should resist, the remedy would be worse than the evil. But it is the fault of the government itself that the remedy is worse than the evil. It makes it worse. Why is it not more apt to anticipate and provide for reform? Why does it not cherish its wise minority? Why does it cry and resist before it is hurt? Why does it not encourage its citizens to be on the alert to point out its faults, and do better than it would have them? …

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Student Katie Taylor Student Katie Taylor (Oct 20 2020 11:57AM) : Romantic Ideals more

This sentence shows major Romantic beliefs such as non- conformity, self- reliance, and free thought. Thoreau talks about unjust laws and the option to revolt against them or to just stand by and let it happen. He is not afraid to speak his mind about what he believes is wrong and what he believes others should do about it. He is also not silent in his opinions about the government which is made clear in this whole section of text. It is sometimes dangerous to speak out against the government but because of this era, the focus shifts dramatically into saying what is on your mind even when that tends to not be popular. We kept and exhibit these ideals today with all of the protests, upcoming elections, etc. By speaking your mind and gathering people with the same thought, some sort of change can be made no matter how big or small.

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Madeline Garbacz Madeline Garbacz (Oct 21 2020 4:57PM) : Response more

It is interesting because when I first looked at this sentence, I did not get how truly it represented romantic ideals. Your explanation that it highlights the ideal that the individual is more important than a law and especially if that law is unjust makes sense. It is interesting how a different perspective can cause things to shift in your head as to how you understand something, and tying the quote into today’s events was a great way to relate to the people of today. It is interesting that you bring up how we keep and exhibit the romantic ideals today, and makes me wonder: what other characteristics have we brought from the past?

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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. It is there that the fugitive slave, and the Mexican prisoner on parole, and the Indian come to plead the wrongs of his race, should find them; on that separate, but more free and honorable ground, where the State places those who are not with her, but against her — the only house in a slave State in which a free man can abide with honor. If any think that their influence would be lost there, and their voices no longer afflict the ear of the State, that they would not be as an enemy within its walls, they do not know by how much truth is stronger than error, nor how much more eloquently and effectively he can combat injustice who has experienced a little in his own person. Cast your whole vote, not a strip of paper merely, but your whole influence. A minority is powerless while it conforms to the majority; it is not even a minority then; but it is irresistible when it clogs by its whole weight. If the alternative is to keep all just men in prison, or give up war and slavery, the State will not hesitate which to choose. If a thousand men were not to pay their tax-bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood. This is, in fact, the definition of a peaceable revolution, if any such is possible. If the tax-gatherer, or any other public officer, asks me, as one has done, "But what shall I do?" my answer is, "If you really wish to do anything, resign your office." When the subject has refused allegiance, and the officer has resigned his office, then the revolution is accomplished. But even suppose blood should flow. Is there not a sort of blood shed when the conscience is wounded? Through this wound a man's real manhood and immortality flow out, and he bleeds to an everlasting death. I see this blood flowing now…

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Celia Barbieri Celia Barbieri (Oct 20 2020 4:07PM) : My Choice for Best Sentence more

In Thoreau’s saying this, the initial meaning to be gleaned is essentially that unfair government will never be just unfair to the people it wrongs directly. Similarly, he means that if the government is unfair, the people with morals have a responsibility to revolt against that injustice. Now, in the context of Thoreau’s own experience with tax fraud and a brief bout in jail, it becomes clear that his personal feelings of anger against the government are quite selfishly founded. Though Thoreau was honestly for the rights of BIPOC, he also revolted against the government in small and mostly not relevant to the cause of abolition such as this instance of not paying his taxes that led to an overnight stay in a jail. But, of course, most people want to see justice done, especially against people in power. In this case, people like Thoreau saw huge problems happening like slavery and the forced removal of Indigenous peoples. But whatever and wherever the issue, the notion that raging against a corrupt machine is the morally right thing to do is something shared amongst like-minded progressives.

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Noah Hankin Noah Hankin (Oct 27 2020 8:50PM) : Best Sentence more

This is the best sentence because it describes the inequity that existed in that time and still exists today. Thoreau discuss the fact that people are being wrongfully imprisoned, and he highlights that these are non-white Americans who just want freedom, like the Native American who wanted justice for the genocide against his people. He also points out that the United States, which fought for the freedom of its people, refuses to give people their freedom. Instead, it takes that liberty away and locks them up to silence them.

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Owen Robinson Owen Robinson (Oct 27 2020 10:43PM) : Reply more

I totally agree with this! It’s so horribly ironic how America stood on this gospel of freedom, yet failed to give even a shred of human decency or respect to over ten percent of its population. Even today, far too many are wrongfully imprison and subject to hate, violence and prejudice. I’m unsure on Thoreau’s exact sentiments in regards to this issue, but if he was truly advocating or at least raising awareness to this rampant hypocrisy, then he was truly a man ahead of his time. Regardless, the mere fact that this was an issue to a scale so large that a man attempting to isolate was aware of it is simply disgusting. We have a long way yet to go, but progress is tangible.

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Alice Carroll Alice Carroll (Oct 25 2020 2:24PM) : Romantic Ideals more

This sentence reflects the romantic ideal of non-conformity. Thoreau is saying that a minority loses itself and its power if it conforms but through non-conformity can become powerful. This connects to the general romantic focus on the individual, as Thoreau is calling for the individuality of people to be highlighted instead of swept away by the majority. There is often a pressure in the world to conform and follow what everyone else does or says. Often times the uniqueness of a person will be pushed down and hidden, either by themselves or others. However, the romantic era and Thoreau preach the power of this uniqueness and the importance of individuality.

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Owen Robinson Owen Robinson (Oct 27 2020 10:12PM) : Best Sentence more

This is without a doubt the best line of the text. Presented as almost a thesis of sorts, Thoreau states that this revolution of his dreams sits at the fulcrum of the people and the union of the people. As balance has been wrongfully ousted from the people, Thoreau suggests that the people may reagin this balance (an imbalance, even) through simply dispersing. This revolution is merely a cycle in which the ending is the antithesis of the beginning- unity. Unity is power and power is corruption, so through the refusal by which there is no remedy, the union of government cannot and will not exist without loyal participants. He draws upon these new ideas of natural rights and liberty in an effort to appeal to those like him who view the government as a limitation of right and liberty, and through this line, describes human nature of bonds and affiliation as well.

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Noah Hankin Noah Hankin (Oct 28 2020 9:47AM) : Reply more

I really like the ideas you brought up here. Americans are constantly calling for change because something inconveniences their personal agenda, just like the Revolutionaries in the late 1700s. In this context, like you said, Thoreau calls for unity. However, I think this is very difficult for the people to accomplish, simply because so much separates the general populous. Americans have polarized each other, and it will be a long time until we are a little closer to unity and Thoreau’s hopeful revolution.

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The authority of government, even such as I am willing to submit to — for I will cheerfully obey those who know and can do better than I, and in many things even those who neither know nor can do so well — is still an impure one: to be strictly just, it must have the sanction and consent of the governed. It can have no pure right over my person and property but what I concede to it. The progress from an absolute to a limited monarchy, from a limited monarchy to a democracy, is a progress toward a true respect for the individual. Even the Chinese philosopher was wise enough to regard the individual as the basis of the empire. Is a democracy, such as we know it, the last improvement possible in government? Is it not possible to take a step further towards recognizing and organizing the rights of man? There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived, and treats him accordingly. I please myself with imagining a State at least which can afford to be just to all men, and to treat the individual with respect as a neighbor; which even would not think it inconsistent with its own repose if a few were to live aloof from it, not meddling with it, nor embraced by it, who fulfilled all the duties of neighbors and fellow-men. A State which bore this kind of fruit, and suffered it to drop off as fast as it ripened, would prepare the way for a still more perfect and glorious State, which also I have imagined, but not yet anywhere seen.

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Kaia Garbacz Kaia Garbacz (Oct 20 2020 11:48AM) : Representing Romantic Ideals more

These sentences show Thoreau’s high regard for the individual. He argues that a government has no rights to him and only has what he chooses to give to them. He says that progress towards democracy is progress towards respect for an individual. He views the individual as the basic block of the empire, which would not exist without one. This emphasis on individualism is a key premise of Romanticism, which in itself is based on the Enlightenment and the Renaissance. Our society, especially in our political troubles, often forgets about the importance of the individual and the impact that they can have on the government.

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Michael Bales Michael Bales (Oct 27 2020 9:13PM) : Romantic Ideals more

In this segment,Thoreau is explaining that people should created the laws which a government must respect, instead of the government creating laws for the population it rules over to abide by. This directly demonstrates one of the major transcendentalist concepts, which is that a person is their own best authority. Instead of allowing the government to govern us, Thoreau is arguing that we would be better off if the government instead enforced the laws that we follow as individuals. These ideas are relevant is the context of the would, because there are few instances is which such levels of individualism are preached. In every scenario from monarchies, to religious communities, the laws of the land are determined by an authoritative figure, or God.

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Michael Bales Michael Bales (Oct 27 2020 9:31PM) : Best quote more

This sentence is the best line in the text, because it summarizes the transcendentalist values of Thoreau. It says that an government should not have the right to control any individual’s person or their property, beyond what control they allow. This directly relates to the well established transcendentalist idea that an individual is the best authority of one’s self. In a broader sense, Thoreau is arguing that an government is inherently worse than anything before because the person governing you is someone else besides yourself.

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Student Katie Taylor Student Katie Taylor (Oct 20 2020 12:32PM) : Best line more

This is the best line because it explains his entire objective in one powerful sentence. Thoreau is stating that the government and the people that they are governing will never be free until the government accepts that the people hold all power. He is also pointing out that the people literally make up the government itself and they should be treated better because of this. It is very clear that what he is arguing applies to our world today which is quite interesting and makes this sentence stronger by the added meaning. The point of this sentence shows us that we are more than what the government thinks we are and we should stand up for our connected beliefs when they are being targeted. It also depicts reality because our government was never built to serve minorities but to uphold the values that were already there and not to accept the new ones. When looking through a critical lens, it seems as though people have never really been “free” because of how the government is structured.

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Owen Robinson Owen Robinson (Oct 27 2020 10:54PM) : Reply (extra) more

This is so true. While the objective of Thoreau was obviously very biased and swayed by his time in prison, the literal point of view in regards to the balance of power within the people is one not so easily understood. Your observation of the people and the raise in appreciation they need for their influence is undeniable and suggests an overhaul of the government system. Perhaps change would work, but abolition was and always will be Thoreau’s battle cry. I also like your point about the perception of the people. There is a great difference between how the government tells us we are to be treated and how the government thinks we should be treated. it is the duty of any common citizen to first understand this difference before they can stand up for themselves.

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Read the entire text
Make one substantial comment on the text that focuses on the way in which this text demonstrates Romantic and/or Transcendentalist ideals.
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Mr Peter kozlowski Mr Peter kozlowski (Nov 22 2020 2:55PM) : Transcendentalist ideals more

A core belief of transcendentalism is in the inherent goodness of people and nature. Transcendentalism was an important part of the romantic movement. Upon reading Henry David Thoreau’s essay “ Civil Disobedience”, it is clearly evident that he was part of the transcendentalism movement and promoted civil disobedience to an unjust state. He believed that individuals should be in defiance of any unjust laws. The essay brings to light how the government in its philosophy was often immoral and self-righteous. He was not entirely asking for no government but for a better government.

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