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“I say with no fear of contradiction that whatever view posterity may take, Mrs. Pankhurst has won for herself a niche in the Temple of Fame which will last for all time.”—Stanley Baldwin speaking on March 6, 1930 to the thousands present at the unveiling of Mrs. Pankhurst’s statue in Victoria Gardens, adjacent to the House of Commons

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Aug 25 2014 9:06AM) : Why does the review begin with a quotation from Stanley Baldwin?
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Brittani Scott Brittani Scott (Sep 01 2014 10:19AM) : The review begins with a quotation from Stanley Baldwin to give the reader a feel of the footprint to history, Mrs. Pankhurst left behind. [Edited]
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 02 2014 7:09AM) : Why Stanley Baldwin in particular?
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Student Michelle Gontar Student Michelle Gontar (Sep 02 2014 3:15PM) : Stanley Baldwin was a Prime Minister and was a part of the Conservative Party and was acting to extend the womens right to vote for those aged over 21. more

Stanley Baldwin was a Prime Minister and was a part of the Conservative Party and was acting to extend the womens right to vote for those aged over 21, which is particularly relevant as Mrs. Pankhurst was a woman activist who dedicated her life to fighting for the women’s right to vote.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 03 2014 7:21AM) : True, although many Conservatives and liberals were opposed to giving votes to women. So a Conservative here flags why Pankhurst, a radical, became involved with Conservatives.
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Mr. Kishan Singh Mr. Kishan Singh (Sep 03 2014 10:11PM) : Why Stanley Baldwin in particular? Why Pankhurst, a radical, became involved with Conservatives? [Edited] more

Taking nothing away from women’s right to vote (and events leading up to women’s suffrage), might women’s right to vote be an indirect consequence of the Earl’s scheme to secure another term as Prime Minister; since supporting Mrs. Pankhurst, he would, naturally, gain the support of all women in the nation and even the empire at that time. Why Baldwin in particular; he was fortunate to be in office at the end of WWII, and because of the roles women played in the war, and because of the changes the nation was undergoing, and because of his political background, he seemed the right person at the time. Therefore, in 1930, he was the perfect candidate to give a speech at this unveiling, because of the role he,also, played in women suffrage.
Pankhurst, became involved in this undertaking because she was introduced, by her parents, into the world of women suffrage at the age of 8, and even-though she was brought up prepared to be a wife and mother, she attended a prestigious University in Paris; married an activist for women suffrage who supported her work as an activist for women; and after she was refused membership to the Independent Labor Party, she was driven to get involved in this undertaking.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Sep 04 2014 6:45AM) : Women do not vote as a bloc. Not all women supported votes for Women. So Baldwin could not count on the votes of all women. And if women were already Labour or Liberal Party supporters, they would not vote for Baldwin.
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Mr. Kishan Singh Mr. Kishan Singh (Sep 05 2014 10:45AM) : Women do not vote as a bloc. Not all women supported votes for Women. more

True.
However, voting as a bloc is common in today’s society, and in the United States around the same time Mrs. Pankhurst conducted this uprising, therefore, why not in England. Many women were already members of a party that they were “forced” to be a apart of, or inherited, therefore from the time Emmeline founded the WSPU in 1903 to when the Liberals won the election but lost their overall majority in Feb. 1910, then securing the same amount of seats as the Conservative party, even-though the labour voted for the liberals in a second election in Oct. 1910, suffragette Emily Davison is killed by the king’s horse in 1913, to Feb. 1918 when women over the age of 30, providing they meet certain qualifications, were given the right to vote, to May, 1928 where all women over 21 had the right to vote, these events should have given women more rights to vote for whoever they deem fit, without the influence of the male society or their parents. Not forgetting the population imbalance between men-women after the first world war, where there were more women than men in the country, giving women an edge; Stanley Baldwin must have acted on this, thus , seeing himself securing a second and third term as Prime Minister.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 06 2014 8:21AM) : I think Baldwin was appealing to the women's vote yes, but few women who staunch Labour supporters were going to vote for Baldwin.
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Mr. Douglas Cosgriff Mr. Douglas Cosgriff (Sep 04 2014 12:41PM) : Baldwin was a Prime Minister and publicly stated that Pankhurst's fame will live on. However, the review ends with West stating that everyone has forgotten. This also reflects the Conservative Party's actions. more

The review starts with the quotation from Stanley Baldwin because of what the statement indicates. Baldwin was a Prime Minister and publicly stated that Pankhurst’s fame will live on. However, the review ends with West stating that everyone has forgotten. Similarly, the Conservative Party may have publicly been more supportive of women’s suffrage than liberals in their ideals, but they didn’t do much of anything to make that happen.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:38AM) : So is the mention of Baldwin ironic?
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MR. Darrell Morrison MR. Darrell Morrison (Nov 18 2014 6:21PM) : This review opens with a quote because Stanley wants to make it clear that no matter what the reader may believe Mrs.Pankhurst has won already.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Nov 19 2014 7:40AM) : Use last names: Baldwin
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“There has been no other woman like Emmeline Pankhurst,” reminisced Rebecca West in 1933, five years after the death of England’s most famous suffragette:

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She was beautiful. Her pale face, with its delicate square jaw and rounded temples, recalled the pansy by its shape and a kind of velvety bloom on the expression. She dressed her taut little body with a cross between the elegance of a Frenchwoman and the neatness of a nun. She was courageous, small and fragile; and, no longer young, she put herself in the way of horses’ hooves, she stood up on platforms under a rain of missiles, she sat in the darkness of underground jails and hunger-struck, and when they let her out because she had starved herself within touching distance of death, she rested for only a day or two and then clambered back on the platforms, she staggered back under the horses’ hooves. She did this against the grain. What she would have preferred, could her social conscience have been quieted, was to live in a pleasant suburban house and give her cronies tea with very thin bread-and-butter, and sit about in the garden in a deckchair.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Aug 25 2014 9:07AM) : Discuss West's biographical profile
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Brittani Scott Brittani Scott (Sep 01 2014 10:26AM) : There was a image drawn to the reader to show how courageous and strong Emmeline Pankhurst was. She was a woman who went against her normal doings to prove to the world that women had rights to vote.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 02 2014 7:10AM) : Can you say more about the image that is drawn?
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Student Michelle Gontar Student Michelle Gontar (Sep 02 2014 3:31PM) : The image is that Emily was a courageous woman who lived in a time where she had to fight for her rights, that she would've quite enjoyed a normal life but in her time she found it necessary to take a stand for her beliefs more

The image is that Emily was a courageous woman who lived in a time where she had to fight for her rights, that she would’ve quite enjoyed a normal life but in her time she found it necessary to take a stand for her beliefs even if they weren’t conventional or convinent

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 03 2014 7:22AM) : Emmeline, not Emily. Watch out for words like "normal." That implies that what Pankhurst did was abnormal, and that word has pejorative connotations.
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Mr. Douglas Cosgriff Mr. Douglas Cosgriff (Sep 04 2014 2:05PM) : West's biographical profile was that of a woman who, although not always consistent in her actions, continually strived for women's suffrage regardless of her political affiliation or lack thereof.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:39AM) : Yes, West is getting at the human complexity of Mrs. Pankhurst.
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Deena Farrell Deena Farrell (Sep 04 2014 3:34PM) : West's comment describes Emmeline as both delicate and small but also goes on to describe her as a strong and tireless fighter. more

West’s biographical profile helps the reader imagine Emmeline. She is described as flower-like, pale, delicate, small and fragile, all words that rarely come to mind when thinking of a woman that is so driven and powerful. As West’s description goes on she begins to explain all the courageous and daring acts Emmeline went through to fight for her cause. The description is powerful and puts the fight of Emmeline into perspective. She could’ve been a suburban housewife, but she felt it her social duty to be a fighter for women’s suffragette.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:40AM) : West wants to make sure Pankhurst is not just dismissed as a political activist. She wants you to see the human, complex, paradoxical side.
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MR. Darrell Morrison MR. Darrell Morrison (Nov 18 2014 6:25PM) : She seems to be a woman of passion. It says she sat in the darkness of underground jail. This happen because of her social beliefs. Which also makes her fearless.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Nov 19 2014 7:41AM) : Political beliefs.
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West wrote about this world figure remembering the vigor of a 19-year-old who joined other women in heckling the Liberal Party politicians for promising women the vote but then doing nothing to fulfill their pledge. Mrs. Pankhurst’s WSPU (Women’s Social and Political Union), established in 1903, stood in the forefront of militancy in the years just before the beginning of World War I, when women smashed shop windows in the Strand, slashed paintings in the National Gallery, and swung from ropes in meeting halls, interrupting August persons such as Winston Churchill with cries of “Votes for Women.” Emmeline Pankhurst, West emphasized, was the “embodiment of an idea”: women deserved to be treated as full citizens, which meant not only voting but participating in all the tasks of building and maintaining a free, open, and democratic society— including, when war came, charging to the defense of the very government that had denied women the vote.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Aug 25 2014 9:08AM) : Describe this paragraph and how it comments on the quotation.
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Julia Howe Julia Howe (Aug 31 2014 6:16PM) : This paragraph adds context and substance to the quote above. The quote is nuanced and literary so this paragraph adds fact and explanation.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 01 2014 8:53AM) : Give me an example of nuance.
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Brittani Scott Brittani Scott (Sep 01 2014 10:35AM) : An example of nuance would be two paintings of the same image by two different artists. When the images are studied there will be nuance between both images.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 02 2014 7:10AM) : I mean an example of nuance in the article, not the definition of the word itself.
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Shannon Jones Shannon Jones (Sep 05 2014 8:21AM) : It is almost as if the quotation shows Emmeline as a protestor with reserved and peaceful tactics while this paragraph almost contradicts this image. She did her share of destructive rabble rousing like smashing shop windows and slashing paintings.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 06 2014 8:23AM) : Pankhurst herself did not slash paintings, although some of her followers did break windows and so on.
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Mr. Douglas Cosgriff Mr. Douglas Cosgriff (Sep 04 2014 12:59PM) : The quotation sets the ground for what the paragraph draws from. Reading the quotation again after reading the paragraph makes it much more powerful than it already was. more

The quotation tells the reader how courageous Pankhurst was, while even going as far to say the treatment she experienced while she was imprisoned. It ends touching on how she would have lived had her “social conscience” been quieted. The paragraph draws from this statements and provides information that the quotation did not. The paragraph tells the reader of the courageous actions, the moments that had landed her in jail. The reader now knows that Pankhurst’s views were that women deserved to be treated as full citizens, and overall makes the quotation that much more powerful.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:42AM) : Yes, West is trying to balance between what Mrs. Pankhurst felt she was called on to do and what kind of person she was.
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MR. Darrell Morrison MR. Darrell Morrison (Nov 18 2014 6:29PM) : This paragraph displays the fearlessness of Mrs.Pankhurst she was on the front lines of justice for women and their right to vote. This tires in the quote because She making a place for herself as a winner.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Nov 19 2014 7:41AM) : Tires? Winner? I'm not sure what you mean.
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By 1933, however, just five years after women had secured the same voting rights as men, Emmeline Pankhurst’s role in that victory had already become obscure and distorted. And since 1933, no historian—until now—has expanded upon West’s effort to restore the centrality of Mrs. Pankhurst’s place in modern history. More is at stake, however, than doing justice to one individual. To understand what happened to Emmeline Pankhurst is to also to understand how figures like her and Rebecca West were marginalized as anti-Communists and relegated to the reactionary bin built by leftist/ Socialist historians who effectively rewrote the story of how women got the vote. Instead The Suffragette Movement (1931), written by Mrs. Pankhurst’s estranged radical daughter, Sylvia, became their foundation narrative.

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The extraordinary erasure of Emmeline Pankhurst is superbly documented inEmmeline Pankhurst: A Biography (Routledge 2002) by June Purvis, the first full-fledged treatment in nearly 70 years of “that weapon of will-power by which British women freed themselves from being classed with children and idiots in the matter of exercising the franchise,” wrote the London Evening Standard, and the “most remarkable political and social agitator of the early part of the twentieth century,” The New York Herald Tribune declared. Purvis not only takes her cue from West, her biography goes well beyond West’s essay by repudiating much of the left-controlled historiography on the votes for women movement. Both in her narrative and in her notes, Purvis shows just how elaborately Mrs. Pankhurst’s trajectory from Labor Party supporter to Conservative candidate for Parliament has been misunderstood and diminished.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Aug 25 2014 9:09AM) : Describe what is meant by "left-controlled historiography" in this and subsequent paragraphs.
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Stephanie Kotsikonas Stephanie Kotsikonas (Sep 03 2014 6:35PM) : Left-controlled historiography more

Left-controlled historiography means that leftists have claimed Pankhurst as their own, falsely portraying her as a radical rather than as a conservative.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:43AM) : You've misunderstood what left-controlled historiography has done. It HAS NOT claimed Mrs. Pankhurst as its own. It has claimed Sylvia and Sylvia's version as its own.
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Sebastian Lema Sebastian Lema (Sep 04 2014 3:09AM) : Socialist controlled history. [Edited] more

Since "left/socialist " was mentioned in the previous paragraph.

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Mr. Douglas Cosgriff Mr. Douglas Cosgriff (Sep 04 2014 1:04PM) : Left-controlled historiography allows for a different picture to painted of Pankhurst's motives for her beliefs. more

Left-controlled historiography is meant to show how Pankhurst’s actions and beliefs have been construed as actions against the Conservative Party. However, Pankhurst was much more of a supporter to the Conservative Party over the Labor Party throughout her movement.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:44AM) : It's a little more complicated than you suggest here. Mrs. Pankhurst had plenty of friends in the Labour Party, but ultimately the Labour Party did not put Votes for Woman as a high priority.
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Zelene Pineda Suchilt Zelene Pineda Suchilt (Sep 04 2014 2:03PM) : Pankhurst was an anti communist during a time where the Bolshevik Revolution was looming and socialism was the popular ideology in leftist and "radical" circles. more

Pankhurst was an anti communist during a time where the Bolshevik Revolution was looming and socialism was the popular ideology in leftist and “radical” circles.For the sake of leftist “radical” history during that time period, the omission of Ms. Pankhurst’s involvement in the suffrage movement is convenient to the socialist agenda at the time.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:45AM) : Exactly!
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Deena Farrell Deena Farrell (Sep 04 2014 3:46PM) : "left-controlled historiography" is meant to describe how throughout history Emmeline Pankhurst's political support and affiliation has been misunderstood by claims of the leftists.
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Jason Javaherian Jason Javaherian (Sep 04 2014 6:53PM) : Left controlled describes the predominance of the pro socialist/communist tendencies. It was assumed that a radical feminist was a lefty, yet it is not always the case. The label in this instance was placed on Pankhurst, and Purvis wants to correct this.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:46AM) : That's right. Purvis is writing a kind of revisionist biography that challenges leftist interpretations of the votes for women movement.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:45AM) : Good explanation.
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MR. Darrell Morrison MR. Darrell Morrison (Nov 18 2014 6:34PM) : "Left controlled Historiography" in this case means publications that were written about this same matter but in a way the favored the crowd it went against.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Nov 19 2014 7:44AM) : The crowd it went against? I don't know what you mean.
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Embedded in West’s depiction of Emmeline Pankhurst is the biography Purvis has now extrapolated. Every line in the first paragraph of “A Reed of Steel” is calculated to redeem the suffragette movement and its leader’s role in it. That Emmeline Pankhurst was beautiful—as were many of her female followers—put the lie to the charge that suffragettes tended to be ugly old maids and somehow unfeminine—what the parlance of the day termed “unwomanly women.” Her pale face suggested what West later made explicit: Mrs. Pankhurst was a frail woman, a reed, but a “reed of steel”—the square jaw might be set in a delicate frame but it bespoke an honorable, sturdy, and (this was often not observed) conservative sensibility. Though inspired by the French revolution and enamored of French ideas and fashions (she spent her formative teenage years in Paris absorbing Thomas Carlyle’s heroic vision of historical change), Pankhurst’s revolution and West’s was a conservation of democratic rights for men and women. There was no need of another revolution, except in so far as Englishmen had to be challenged to continue the quest for liberty, equality, and fraternity. As West put it, Emmeline Pankhurst was “the last popular leader to act on inspiration derived from the principles of the French Revolution.” As a result, Mrs. Pankhurst has become the most misconstrued conservative revolutionary—or as Purvis calls her, “patriotic feminist”—in the 20th century.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Aug 25 2014 9:10AM) : How does West's profile lead to Purvis's biography?
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Zelene Pineda Suchilt Zelene Pineda Suchilt (Sep 04 2014 2:15PM) : TO establish and reinforce her femininity [Edited] more

It was important for both authors to bust the myth that suffragettes were “unwomanly”. Also both highlight her foundation of conservative theory and other misconceptions about their subject. Both aim to place her as a “patriotic feminist”

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:47AM) : Quite right.
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Mrs. Pankhurst was a paradox: a revolutionary, she was also the cosmopolitan owner of a woman’s shop called Emerson’s; she was also a woman who proposed that Richard Pankhurst become her lover, not her husband, but a moral purist, a mother who disowned her daughter Sylvia both for her Socialist/Communist politics and for having born a child out of wedlock; an intensely domestic woman, she was always leaving home, nerving herself up not only to confront policemen who pummeled women petitioning prime ministers, but also to address crowds of thousands, many of whom had never heard a woman speak in public outside of a theatre. Her own daughter Sylvia and other critics inside and outside of the Votes for Women movement accused her of grandstanding and liking nothing better than a fight. She stood for democracy, yet ran her own organization like an autocrat.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Aug 25 2014 9:11AM) : Why is it difficult for political movements to deal with paradox? What does the biographical profile contribute to the understanding of history?
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I think society generally takes issues with blurred boundaries of any sort. Definitive “sides” and opinions are relied upon heavily, especially politically. Identifying as a conservative but adopting lifestyle choices that contradict that left little room for credibility amongst other conservatives. In this profile one could understand how radical political parties are formed and how women especially are expected to stay within certain boundaries, but also how necessary it is that those boundaries are pushed.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 01 2014 8:55AM) : What does West mean when she says Pankhurst is "an embodiment of an idea"?
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Student Vince Brigante Student Vince Brigante (Sep 04 2014 1:37PM) : She took on the position of being a role model; a fighter at that. more

She ‘embodies this idea’ by fundamentally standing up for what she believes in. In paragraph 12, it basically states how she defies the normal statistic of a ‘woman’ during that time. Her unconventional tryst, to her start up of the Women’s Franchise League, she literally ‘embodies the idea’ of women’s suffrage.

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Mr. Douglas Cosgriff Mr. Douglas Cosgriff (Sep 04 2014 4:49PM) : West means to say that although Pankhurst was inconsistent as well as controversial in her methods, she never lost sight of her goal: woman's suffrage.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:48AM) : Yes, Mrs. Pankhurst made mistakes, but those mistakes are explainable in terms of her ultimate goals.
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Mr. Kishan Singh Mr. Kishan Singh (Nov 14 2014 2:31PM) : Yes, Mrs. Pankhurst made mistakes, but those mistakes are explainable in terms of her ultimate goals. [Edited] more

I wouldn’t consider her mistakes to be mistakes, but more of gaining experiences that would later prove to be very valuable in her endeavors. She followed a more practical approach, not those based on the culture of her society, but ones that she knew would better suit her goals, breaking traditional barriers in the process.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Nov 15 2014 10:12AM) : Good point about her practicality.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Sep 04 2014 6:46AM) : A good assessment.
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Shannon Jones Shannon Jones (Sep 05 2014 2:21PM) : I agree with Julia. Pankhurst held very traditional ideals and yet, fought for a cause that challenged the status quo. Political groups are often polarized however, Pankhurst did blur these lines.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 06 2014 8:24AM) : By blurring the lines, Pankhurst opened herself from attacks on her left and on her right.
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Mr. Douglas Cosgriff Mr. Douglas Cosgriff (Sep 04 2014 1:26PM) : It is difficult because it is hard to be a united cause that has moments of contradictory action. History has a way of sizing people down into one viewpoint. more

It is difficult for political movements to deal with paradox because it is much easier to get behind something that doesn’t have moments that are contradictory to the overall movement. Pankhurst, like any human being, was not the embodiment of every single Conservative ideal. In understanding history, many things aren’t always black or white. Pankhurst’s motives were often a gray area as she is continually painted as someone controversial in her actions.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:48AM) : Mrs. Pankhurst, in other words, was not merely a symbol but a complicated human being like the rest of us.
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Zelene Pineda Suchilt Zelene Pineda Suchilt (Sep 04 2014 2:25PM) : It messes up the narrative more

To appeal to the masses, the movement must be constructed as a clear narrative. Good guy vs Bad guy: Pick a side. When paradox exist, as they always do, the writers of history try to smooth things out to adhere to the narrative. Biographical profiles are not always narrative, they are useful to “humanize” history and to highlight individuals as they were, paradox and all.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:49AM) : Biographical profiles often make it impossible to smooth things out, to see a person simply in terms of right and wrong.
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MR. Darrell Morrison MR. Darrell Morrison (Nov 18 2014 6:41PM) : It is difficult because standing firm for something political must have merits that can't be taken down. A paradox seems to do that every time once it discovered.
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A word about the “Mrs.”—the term Rebecca West employs throughout her essay and the way nearly everyone referred to Emmeline Pankhurst. “Not the bitterest critic of Mrs. Pankhurst ever suggested that her husband did not find her, from beginning to end of the nineteen years of their marriage, a perfect wife,” West insisted. It was as the wife of Richard Pankhurst (1833—1898) that Emmeline entered public life, supporting his unsuccessful parliamentary campaigns, which were based on a radical platform advocating, in June Purvis’s words, “abolition of the House of Lords, disestablishment of the Church of England, nationalization of the land, adult suffrage for men and women, free compulsory secular education, and Home Rule for Ireland.” Active in her husband’s causes, she managed to raise five children and remain a homemaker. When he died in 1898, a heartbroken wife vowed to carry on his ideals. Eventually two of her daughters, Sylvia and Adela, would accuse their mother of betraying their father’s principles.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Aug 25 2014 9:12AM) : What is the point being made about Pankhurst's role as a wife?
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The point being made is that despite her own political endeavors, she never felt that her role as a woman could not include being an active wife for Richard Pankhurst. She still felt that being a supportive partner and homemaker was something valuable and necessary to their relationship. It is important to note that her goals and great acheivements never left him or their family abandoned.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 02 2014 7:11AM) : And West is showing a woman can be a feminist and what else?
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West is showing that despite being a feminist, Pankhurst knew how to live within the confines of what was defined as a women’s role by choice, showing that women can be both revolutionary, key parts of society and live a decently normal life where they still help men and still continue to support their spouse and children while keeping true to their own beliefs.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 03 2014 7:24AM) : Despite implies there is something in feminism that precludes a decent "normal" life. Isn't West saying jus the opposite?
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Deena Farrell Deena Farrell (Sep 04 2014 3:55PM) : West is showing that a woman can be a feminist but also be a man's wife. She can uphold her feminist views but also raise 5 children, support her husband, and be a homemaker. Being a good feminist doesn't mean one can't be a good wife and mother.
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Hmayak (Mike) Aghajanov Hmayak (Mike) Aghajanov (Sep 04 2014 5:20PM) : Sadly, there are more and more women who tend to forget that by nature women are protectors of hearth and home.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:51AM) : Sadly? Where does this comment come from? How does it relate to the reading. And how is such a sweeping generalization defensible?
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:50AM) : Right. Feminism, it is suggested, does not mean a woman forsake many of what have come to be called a traditional woman's duties.
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Mr. Douglas Cosgriff Mr. Douglas Cosgriff (Sep 04 2014 1:29PM) : Being a feminist does not cancel out being a good wife. more

West is showing the idea that a woman can be a feminist and believe in equality, and with that equality make her own decisions. Pankhurst had the right to believe what she wanted, and still be a homemaker. Neither veto the other.

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Hmayak (Mike) Aghajanov Hmayak (Mike) Aghajanov (Sep 04 2014 5:24PM) : 100% agree. Everything is beautiful in balance.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:52AM) : But it is hard to find the balance. Note the split between Sylvia and her mother.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:52AM) : Mrs. Pankhurst was striving for a balance in her private and public life, although she did not always succeed.
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Chris Zumtobel Chris Zumtobel (Sep 05 2014 1:43AM) : The main point being made by mentioning her role at home was to reinforce what a paradox her life actually was. It shows the contrast in her story: disowning her daughter but remaining staunchly committed to her role at home.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:53AM) : Yes, Mrs. Pankhurst made some hard choices. She is admirable in many ways but not without her faults.
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MR. Darrell Morrison MR. Darrell Morrison (Nov 18 2014 6:44PM) : The point being made here is that she was still a good wife to her husband making sure to support him at all times. She even made sure to carry on his ideals.
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Between 1898 and 1905, Mrs. Pankhurst focused ever more intently on the Votes for Women issue, following the lead of the “constitutionalists”—men and women who had peacefully petitioned Parliament for a suffrage bill that granted women the right to vote on the same basis as men. On more than one occasion during the previous 50 years Parliamentary majorities had been mustered for the enfranchisement of women, but parliamentary maneuvers plus the opposition of Liberal leaders such as Gladstone and Asquith had thwarted progress along constitutionalist lines. On May 12, 1905, hopes rose again as Parliament convened to consider the first woman’s suffrage bill in eight years. As had happened on previous occasions the bill was “talked out”—amid much laughter provoked by coarse jokes about women and cheers at the end of the day when it was certain the bill would not even come to a vote. In the waiting room outside the Commons, Mrs. Pankhurst called upon the women to follow her “outside for a meeting of protest against the government.” As Purvis tells the story, the police then attempted to foil this mild but first step toward militancy by jostling the women down the steps. But Mrs. Pankhurst held her ground and demanded to know where the women could hold such a meeting. A police inspector relented and took them to Broad Sanctuary, near the gates of Westminster Abbey, where she could address the crowd, flanked by Keir Hardie, Labor MP and staunch supporter of Votes for Women.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Aug 25 2014 9:13AM) : What is conservative, what is radical about Mrs. Pankhurst's behavior?
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Tristan Bolano Tristan Bolano (Sep 01 2014 5:21PM) : Mrs. Pankhursts actions to peacefully petition Parliament for a suffrage bill can be seen as conservative, but her idea to meet outside with the women in protest during the talks could be considered radical. [Edited]
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 02 2014 7:12AM) : Quite right. She is working both inside and outside the system.
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Zelene Pineda Suchilt Zelene Pineda Suchilt (Sep 04 2014 2:30PM) : She wants to reinforce "democracy" by any means necessary
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:53AM) : I'm not sure what you a thinking when you say "by any means necessary."
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Mr. Douglas Cosgriff Mr. Douglas Cosgriff (Sep 04 2014 1:34PM) : Pankhurst's behavior shows that like other constitutionalists, she can peacefully petition. However, when that petition doesn't do much at first, Pankhurst went the extra step and publicly protested, often.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:54AM) : Yes, the reasons for Mrs. Pankhurst's protests have to be situated in her own circumstances and what she felt she had to put up with.
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By the autumn of 1906, Mrs. Pankhurst and her suffragettes (a term of derision coined by the Daily Mail but adopted with pride by the militants) had galvanized allof the Votes for Women movement. Thus Millicent Garrett Fawcett, a constitutionalist and president of the National Union of Women’s Suffrage Societies (NUWSS), supported the WSPU activists:

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Every kind of insult and abuse is hurled at the women who have adopted these methods. . . . But I hope the more old-fashioned suffragists will stand by them. . . . in my opinion, far from having injured the movement, they have done more during the last 12 months to bring it within the region of practical politics than we have been able to accomplish in the same number of years.

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Even Liberal cabinet ministers conceded that asking politely for the vote is not how men had become enfranchised. On Feb. 18, 1908, Home Secretary Herbert Asquith acknowledged:

There comes a time when political dynamics are far more important than political argument. . . .Men have learned this lesson, and know the necessity for demonstrating the greatness of their movements, and for establishing that force majeure which actuates and arms a Government for effective work. . . . Looking back at the great political crises in the “thirties”, the “sixties” and the “eighties” it will be found that people . . . assembled in their tens of thousands all over the country. . . .Of course, it cannot be expected that women can assemble in such masses, but power belongs to the masses, and through this power a Government can be influenced into more effective action than a Government will be likely to take under present conditions.

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Political dynamics are the factors that influence a political outcome. In this case it means that women needed to present their case by more than just speech and actually take action/ stands to influence men to give them what they need. Argument and presentation being the two motivating factors for political change.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 03 2014 7:24AM) : And so what Pankhurst becomes depends, in part, on political dynamics.
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Mr. Douglas Cosgriff Mr. Douglas Cosgriff (Sep 04 2014 1:39PM) : Pankhurst reacted to the political dynamic of the time. more

Pankhurst’s actions could arguably be based on her encounters with the political dynamics of the time. She saw that her peaceful petitions were getting her no where and knew what she had to do. I don’t believe that she depended on the political dynamic of the time, rather she just reacted to it.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:55AM) : A really good point. It is not just who Mrs. Pankhurst is, but it is also the political conditions she had to confront that helped to shape her life.
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Sebastian Lema Sebastian Lema (Sep 04 2014 3:25AM) : It has to do with being able to vote and be heard, ultimately creating an impact rather than simply arguing.
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She was pragmatist and political animal. She was more interested in making the government function and adhere to the democratic principles of equality instead of overthrowing it, or necessarily going against it. A “dynamic” means engagement not necessarily opposition or reaction.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:56AM) : so she may have had revolutionary ideas but she did not want to be like a revolutionary--if that meant overthrowing a government.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:55AM) : True, Mrs. Pankhurst did not simply want to feel right. She wanted to have an impact on the world.
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I agree with this. A lot of the fire power towards being able to vote ultimately comes from taking actions that cause a stir, versus simply just demanding the right to vote.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 06 2014 8:28AM) : So why did Pankhurst also decide to stop protesting before women got the vote?
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Mr. Douglas Cosgriff Mr. Douglas Cosgriff (Sep 04 2014 1:41PM) : Political dynamics are the relevant details that lead to any change in our government or laws. Pankhurst's experience in this show that she understood her petitions would have much more effect through public protest.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:57AM) : Mrs. Pankhurst is an important modern figure who showed how individuals and groups can mobilize public opinion.
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Emmeline Pankhurst, and her brilliant daughter Christabel, would make use of this statement to mobilize the very masses of women Gladstone could not even dream of in his philosophy.

Certainly the suffragettes aroused a hostile press and public when they stepped up their campaign of destruction against private property. But no loss of life and virtually no human injury occurred because of suffragette activism, except for the excruciating pain they themselves suffered in prison during hunger strikes when their noses and throats and rectums were brutally violated by the forcible feeding tubes, often causing internal injuries leading to permanent disabilities and deaths.

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It is important to understand that during this crucial period— between 1908 and the outbreak of war in 1914—Emmeline became increasingly disenchanted with the Labor Party and with the trades unions, even as her daughter Sylvia intensified her commitment to socialism and saw Votes for Women as a Socialist issue. Emmeline, on the other hand, observed that Socialist men no less than their capitalist counterparts worried about losing jobs to women if women had equal rights. A Socialist, no less than a capitalist disliked the idea of giving his woman property rights. Mrs. Pankhurst did not attack men per se, but to her it was an inescapable fact that only organizations like her WSPU, composed exclusively of women, could agitate effectively for the vote. Votes for Women always became subordinated to a broader agenda in male-dominated organizations.

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It was precisely this desire to maintain a militant organization composed entirely of women that provoked Emmeline Pankhurst in 1912 to expel Emmeline and Frederick Pethick-Lawrence from the WSPU. The couple had been Mrs. Pankhurst’s mainstays and one of her important sources of funding. To many WSPU members, including Sylvia Pankhurst, the Pethick-Lawrences seemed indispensable. But Mrs. Pankhurst found Frederick’s participation problematic, especially on public platforms when he seemed to put himself forward and talk too long. The Pethick-Lawrences seemed too ready to collaborate with other men’s and women’s organizations, thus diluting the WSPU’s role. Mrs. Pankhurst found her leadership and the focus of her enterprise in jeopardy. Other personal and political factors undoubtedly contributed to this split, but the main point is that Mrs. Pankhurst’s reputation as an autocrat began to burgeon, and her abrupt jettisoning of two revered WSPU leaders sent shock waves through her movement.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Aug 25 2014 9:16AM) : Does the description of Pankhurst as autocrat make her Conservative or Radical or both?
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 01 2014 8:55AM) : The term autocrat also explains how Pankhurst could be on both sides, conservative and radical.
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This description of Pankhurst as autocrat makes her both Conservative and Radical. She is conservative in the sense that she wants her organization to only be composed of women, however this is radical as she makes decisions that others find extreme such as that of finding Pethick-Lawrence problematic while others found him a key part of the movement. This means Pankhurst was seen as stepping back on her own movement to preserve the conservative nature of the group, which may prove to in fact be a radical choice.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 03 2014 7:26AM) : I'm not sure about your use of Conservative. I don't understand why restricting membership to women is Conservative. Not with a capital C, since Conservative refers to a political party.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 03 2014 7:27AM) : Conservative with a capital C is a person who is part of a party. conservative small c means something a little different. I think you are confusing the terms.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 03 2014 7:28AM) : Confusing comment. more

Clarify the difference between Conservative with a capital C and conservative with a small c. You seem to be confusing the two terms.

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Pankhurst’s description as an autocrat makes her both as many of her views were supportive of the Conservative Party while often her actions were much more Radical. Thus, she may have moments that deem her autocratic, but her beliefs are still often democratic.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:58AM) : She could be an autocrat in taking over the leadership of a movement, but in a cause that was meant to broaden participatory democracy.
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Maintaining a safe space for women where they could discuss and plan, free of the male gaze or male privelege, to attain the ultimate goal which was democratic participation of women by voting

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 7:59AM) : She was concerned that women be in charge of their own organizations. She did not want it to seem as if it was just men who gave women the vote.
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Jason Javaherian Jason Javaherian (Sep 04 2014 7:06PM) : Pankhurst was a symbol of her cause more

When a movement gains strength, wielding more power usually accompanies it. In Pankhurt’s case she saw an opportunity to enhance the movement and eliminated a male as a symbolic gesture. The move was controversial, but Pankhurst seems to have made a calculated call, that would certainly effect the future of the movement.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:00AM) : See my comment above.
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MR. Darrell Morrison MR. Darrell Morrison (Nov 18 2014 6:47PM) : I believe that she is being both racial and conservative. Her being radical is forming her conservative behavior.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Nov 19 2014 7:47AM) : How does being a radical inform her conservative behavior?
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There is no doubt that in the two years leading up to World War I, the WSPU lost members and became somewhat isolated, although Mrs. Pankhurst retained a strong cadre of followers, and her influence did not diminish as precipitously as her opponents and later historians have assumed. They have taken the Socialist line of Sylvia Pankhurst at face value—in part because British historians as a rule have wished to claim Votes for Women as a Socialist cause; in part because of the apparently breathtaking turnabout Mrs. Pankhurst and her daughter Christabel performed when they supported the British government immediately after war broke out; in part because neither Emmeline nor Christabel had the persuasive literary and political genius that Sylvia showed later on.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Aug 25 2014 9:16AM) : Why does Sylvia's version of history triumph?
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Sylvia’s version triumphed as there was more support when the Votes for Women became acclaimed as a Socialist cause and Sylvia was more persuasive in her political standings than Emmeline and Christabel were able to achieve

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 03 2014 7:31AM) : Syivia's socialism prevailed over Emmeline's conservatism.
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Mr. Douglas Cosgriff Mr. Douglas Cosgriff (Sep 04 2014 1:47PM) : Sylvia's triumph comes as someone more consistent. It makes much more sense now that she was apart of a more socialistic movement and thus becomes someone who is easier to stand behind.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:01AM) : Sylvia remained attached to the socialist movement whereas her mother for various strategic reasons abandoned socialist who, in fact, did little to get women the vote.
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MR. Darrell Morrison MR. Darrell Morrison (Nov 18 2014 6:50PM) : It triumphs because of the role she played. In a time when government wanted women to be on a socialist side in order to vote. Sylvia embraced the socialist side.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Nov 19 2014 7:50AM) : And what did Sylvia's mother do?
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Abel Tavarez Abel Tavarez (Sep 06 2014 7:29PM) : Why should supporting your government in a time of war be a point of contention among British Historians? more

Shouldn’t Emmeline and Christabel Pankhurst’s place in history be more solidified because of this? Why should the suffragettes’ movement and patriotism be mutually exclusive?

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 07 2014 7:39AM) : Yes, I agree. But some socialists then believed they should not support a capitalist war--as they called it. Communists made the same argument when WWII began until the Soviet Union was attacked.

So influential has Sylvia’s narrative become that when former Labor Party cabinet minister Barbara Castle published a short study of the Pankhursts she blithely relied on Sylvia’s The Suffragette Movement without noting any of its numerous inconsistencies and biases, flaws that June Purvis identifies. Jill Craigie (1911—1999), a lifelong student of the suffragettes, and wife of former Labor Party leader Michael Foot, was so outraged at Castle’s ignorance that she called her up and threatened to “flatten her.” Craigie, a staunch Socialist and Labor Party loyalist, nevertheless knew from firsthand experience how brutal Sylvia had been in her quest to superimpose her narrative of Votes for Women on the memory of her mother. In 1940, Craigie had read Sylvia’s The Suffragette Movement and had been captivated by its “rich” writing. Sylvia saw history, Craigie commented, with the “eyes of an artist.” But in 1943, when Craigie decided to write and direct a documentary on the suffragettes, she found herself pitted against Sylvia and other suffragettes who fought over who would act as advisor to the film and thus control the master narrative of their story. The film never got made because of this internecine warfare, and Craigie spent the next several decades of her life assembling a massive collection of material and writing a book (left incomplete at her death) that exposes how Sylvia distorted her mother’s legacy. As I will show in a forthcoming biography of Craigie, she is the missing link between West and Purvis. Craigie is partly responsible for the rediscovery and reprinting of West’s work in the 1970’s and is the key transitional figure who leads to Purvis’ brilliant demonstration that during and after the war Emmeline Pankhurst not only did not abandon her principles, but saw the war and its aftermath as a way to implement them. Although there are many reasons why Craigie did not complete her epic work (a substantial manuscript of over 200,000 well-polished words), one consideration surely is the massive criticism she would have endured in her own party for putting one of Britain’s Socialist icons on the rack.

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Like Rebecca West, who never doubted the Russian Revolution was wrong, Emmeline Pankhurst never doubted it was wrong of Socialists not to defend their country against German militarism, wrong of workers to put up obstacles to the war effort, wrong of unions to allow Communist organizers to infiltrate their ranks, and wrong to speak in terms of class war in a time of a national crisis. Curiously, West does not do justice to the post World War I Mrs. Pankhurst when she abruptly announces that Mrs. Pankhurst “came out of the war a high Tory.” As Purvis demonstrates, Mrs. Pankhurst’s transformation was not quite so sudden as that.

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Purvis quotes historian Joan Beaumont as pointing out that “recent feminist writers have projected their own alignment with anti-imperialism and anti-militarism onto the past, seeing imperialism and militarism as incompatible with feminism when this was not so for many women in the First World War.” Sylvia and many of her socialist allies took a pacifist line and were horrified when Mrs. Pankhurst, like Rebecca West, believed that her country and British culture came first, especially in war. While it is true that the WSPU ceased all agitation for the vote during the war, its leader hardly reneged on fighting for a greater role for women in society. She wanted them working in the munitions factories, for example, saying in late January 1915: “I’m not nursing soldiers. There are so many others to do that. . .it’s no more to be expected that our organisers should now necessarily take to knitting and nursing than that Mr. Asquith should set his Ministers to making Army boots and uniforms.” Yet she found it was the trade unionists who objected to women in the factories, fearing their lower pay for females would deprive the male breadwinner of his job.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Aug 25 2014 9:17AM) : Explain how the present revises and sometimes distorts the past.
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Stephanie Kotsikonas Stephanie Kotsikonas (Sep 03 2014 6:01PM) : Contemporary conceptions distort the past more

The past is distorted by contemporary ideas that are superimposed onto phrases or words in history. The misrepresentation of Pankhurst, for example, lies in our modern conceptions of what it means to be a suffragette or a conservative. Our ideas of what these things “should mean” have created a confused picture of what kind of person Pankhurst was and what she stood for.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:01AM) : So it is important to reconstruct the historical context.
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Mr. Douglas Cosgriff Mr. Douglas Cosgriff (Sep 04 2014 2:03PM) : Our meanings and views are different than those of the past. more

Often, our viewpoints now and the viewpoints of people from the past are not always in alignment. The way we would view Pankhurst today for her feminist actions would be that of someone much more Democratic. However, the terms used to describe Pankhurst during her time are not the same.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:02AM) : And we have the luxury of take a retrospective view when what Pankhurst was doing was not a contemporary issue.
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Zelene Pineda Suchilt Zelene Pineda Suchilt (Sep 04 2014 3:06PM) : Nothing new under the sun more

Lest we not forget that at one point people believed the world was flat. Modern revisions into the pasts are important. Beaumont generalizes contemporary feminists and feminists during the Great War as having blanketed views. Ultimately, feminism is the answer to the question “are women human?” and the activists therein the feminist identity work towards the economic and political equality of the sexes. Feminism can also be interpreted as the struggle against the oppression of women and some feminist align themselves against all forms of oppression, not just against women and across generations. What distorts the past are people’s current agendas.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:03AM) : There can be a tendency to project current attitudes onto the past.
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Hmayak (Mike) Aghajanov Hmayak (Mike) Aghajanov (Sep 04 2014 6:00PM) : President-editor [Edited] more

My motherland has a neighboring country where the president’s daily routine is a gradual rewriting of the region’s history. It’s being done in order to evoke the sense of national identity among the population (as the people living in that country are descendants of various assimilated tribes). Hence, the most convincing method of the past’s distortion is to rewrite school history books. And it works. They now wish to occupy my country as they are sure it’s historically theirs.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:04AM) : One reason why Purvis wrote her book is to show what happens when a certain kind of historical narrative becomes dominant.
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The turning point for Mrs. Pankhurst came when Lloyd George, on behalf of the British government, asked her to organize a massive demonstration in favor of employing women in the factories and other crucial areas of war work. This was the very man who had helped thwart so many of her suffrage campaigns, and it pained her to oblige him—but she did. Thus began an extraordinary alliance between former opponents who tacitly understood that the price of Mrs. Pankhurst’s cooperation would be Lloyd George’s postwar support for enfranchising women. No one close to or sympathetic toward Mrs. Pankhurst doubted the power she still commanded. As one of her loyal followers told Jill Craigie in 1943, the WSPU slogan during the war became “We have buried the hatchet, but we know where to find it.”

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By the end of the war, Emmeline Pankhurst had emerged as a stout supporter of her government while retaining her prominence as a leader of women. But as June Purvis explains, Mrs. Pankhurst confronted a women’s movement now leaning heavily toward the pacifist left. To achieve more for women, Mrs. Pankhurst had to abandon the terms of her prewar activism. As she told a Daily News reporter in January 1926: “It was always a great grief to me to have to put aside all my wider interests for the sake of a single object—to break down the sex barrier. Now I think I deserve to be allowed to work for the general questions affecting women and the country generally.” Conservative MP Nancy Astor, the first women to take a seat in Parliament, actually offered to resign in favor of Mrs. Pankhurst in acknowledgment of all that the latter had done for women and the country. Not yet ready to declare herself a Conservative, Mrs. Pankhurst declined. But the general strike declared on 1 May 1926, in which 2,500,000 striking workers forced the government to plan for a state of emergency, drove her to declare an interest. On May 3, 1926, she wrote to Nancy Astor: “How I wish that I could do what I did at the outbreak of war . . . set a whole organization to work. . . .Do use me if you can.”

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Nov 19 2014 7:52AM) : I don't think you understand the politics here. Mrs. Pankhurst drew closer to Conservatives even as many of her followers moved closer to the socialists.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Aug 25 2014 9:18AM) : What turns Mrs. Pankhurst into a "stout supporter" of the government?
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Pankhurst becomes a supporter of the government when Lloyd George and the British government begin to support her cause and the rights of women. With their support, the WSPU could achieve more than it would if it were operating against the government.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Sep 04 2014 6:55AM) : And Pankhurst, unlike some other socialists, was a strong support of the war effort.
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Zelene Pineda Suchilt Zelene Pineda Suchilt (Sep 04 2014 11:11PM) : She wasn't a socialist
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:05AM) : Actually, for a time Pankhurst was a socialist--before breaking with the Labour Party.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:04AM) : And with her support of the government comes her own desire for a quid pro quo.
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Brittani Scott Brittani Scott (Sep 03 2014 10:02PM) : Mrs. Pankhurst turned into a stout supporter due the fact that; her and Lloyd George had differences when it came to women rights, he still asked her to organize a protest for employing women and other areas dealing with work around the time of the war.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Sep 04 2014 6:56AM) : The war made a big change in Mrs. Pankhurst's political calculations.
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Sebastian Lema Sebastian Lema (Sep 04 2014 3:38AM) : She became a stout supporter when Lloyd George asked for her help. Although Lloyd usually opposed her suffrage movements, they were able to put their differences aside to further progress women's rights.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Sep 04 2014 6:59AM) : Pankhurst believe that suffragettes support for the war effort would hasten the passage of votes for women.
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Both her supporting the war effort, as well as her alliance with Lloyd George. Also, Purvis explains that Pankhurst knew the way to achieve more for women was not through public protest. Thus, she was now publicly supporting the government for reasons that used to make her protest against it.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:07AM) : I think Purvis is suggesting that Pankhurst realized that public protests had probably done all that was possible until the war was won and would could claim their rights as supporters of the government.
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Emmeline Pankhurst understood power, and in England she could not wield power without a party. She no longer believed in the dream of her youth—the State Socialism she and her husband championed. Trade unionists, militant socialists, and pacifists seemed to her to threaten the very foundation of a just, peaceful, and defensible society. First in the Socialist journal Forward, then in The Suffragette Movement, Sylvia Pankhurst pronounced an anathema on her mother as one who had “deserted the cause of progress” and repudiated the work of Karl Marx, William Morris, Keir Hardie, and, of course, her father. In view of her mother’s “defection” Sylvia felt called upon, she said, to “reaffirm my faith in the cause of social and international fraternity, and to utter a word of sorrow that one who in the past has rendered such service should now, with that sad pessimism which sometimes comes with advancing years, and may result from too strenuous effort, join the reaction.”

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Pankhurst needed a political attribute to remain consistent with, otherwise her strives for suffrage would’ve slowed.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:07AM) : Mrs. Pankhurst has principles, but she was also pragmatic.
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Pankhurst had an idealistic view of a socialist society, but reality set in when she had to deal with the actual groups involved. To achieve her goals she knew she had to create a strong base for herself, and over time she became more pessimistic of others.

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Jason Javaherian Jason Javaherian (Sep 04 2014 8:00PM) : Cont. History is also a series of compromises, and idealists learn that very early on.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:08AM) : Yes, Mrs. Pankhurst had to make hard choices.
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Contempt and pity and rage ring out in Sylvia’s repudiation of her mother—not to mention a psychological attack on an old woman now presumed to be too tired to think. Mrs. Pankhurst was physically worn out from the beatings she had suffered on the way to prison and the hunger strikes and forcible feedings while incarcerated, but she remained alert, perceptive, and critical—just as intolerant of sexism among Conservatives as she had been of it among Labor Party members and trade unionists. She died before she was able to campaign as a Conservative candidate for parliament.

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The dynamic of mother-daughter is relevant in that it could help explain the radical, rebellious nature of Pankhurst. It may give us a better understanding of history, by looking into how personal relationships shape us in our lifetime. Pankhurst repudiation of her mother parallels her repudiation of the government, communists, socialists, etc… A consistent pattern of rebellion in her lifetime, may have stemmed from this relationship. Joseph Stalin’s rough upbringing for instance, may give us a better understanding of the man he would later become, and the heinous acts he would commit. An author would be able to use these events, to give the reader more of a full story to examine and ultimately make a judgment on the subject.

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Rebecca West cautioned her readers not to regard Mrs. Pankhurst as a zealot and fanatic. Hysterics cannot general their troops and enforce discipline and make the hard choices she did. Mrs. Pankhurst and her followers were “stone-cold” realists, West concluded. Yet in spite of West’s efforts, Mrs. Pankhurst’s legacy has been lost. Or, as West wrote at her prophetic best: “It is all forgotten. We forget everything now. We have forgotten what came before the war. We have forgotten the war.”

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Mr. Douglas Cosgriff Mr. Douglas Cosgriff (Sep 04 2014 1:58PM) : Pankhurst played a large role in the woman's suffrage movement. [Edited] more

As Sylvia revered her mother as someone “too tired to think”, West made sure that her readers understood that both Pankhurst and her followers were realists. Even so, her part in the efforts are not as prominently recognized as they could’ve been. Still, her actions brought about much change.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:11AM) : I'm not sure I understand your point about Sylvia.
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Zelene Pineda Suchilt Zelene Pineda Suchilt (Sep 04 2014 3:18PM) : The writer's main reference to Pankhurst's life and cause more

The other sources or biographies are skewed to Pankhurst life and cause as a “Conservative Revolutionary”

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:11AM) : I think I need a little more explanation of what you mean.
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Chris Zumtobel Chris Zumtobel (Sep 05 2014 1:51AM) : A strong correlation was drawn between West and Pankhurst throughout the writing and the line from West was a strong finish to the piece.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 05 2014 8:11AM) : Yes, correlation is the right word.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Aug 25 2014 9:14AM) : To what work of literature does this sentence allude to?
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Thomas Moy Thomas Moy (Sep 05 2014 12:06PM) : research more

The Power of the Positive Woman by Phyllis Schlafly

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 06 2014 8:26AM) : I don't follow. This book was published decades later.
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Abel Tavarez Abel Tavarez (Sep 06 2014 7:22PM) : Hamlet: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. "
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Sep 07 2014 7:37AM) : Still don't follow.

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Carl Rollyson is the author of Hollywood Enigma: Dana Andrews (University Press of Mississippi, September 2012) and American Isis: The Life and Art of Sylvia Plath (St. Martin’s Press, January 2013). He is currently writing a biography of Amy Lowell. For more, check out his post The Business of Biography for BiblioBuffet.

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