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In 1929, the year it was released, films had an average shot length (ASL) of 11.2 seconds. "Man With a Movie Camera" had an ASL of 2.3 seconds. The ASL of Michael Bay's "Armageddon" was -- also 2.3 seconds. Why would I begin a discussion of a silent classic by discussing such a mundane matter? It helps to understand the impact the film made at the time. Viewers had never seen anything like it, and Mordaunt Hall, the horrified author of the New York Times review, wrote: "The producer, Dziga Vertof, does not take into consideration the fact that the human eye fixes for a certain space of time that which holds the attention." This reminds me of Harry Carey's advice in 1929 to John Wayne, as the talkies were coming in: "Stop halfway through every sentence. The audience can't listen that fast."

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 18 2015 11:00AM) : What is Ebert saying about the initial response to a work of art that is attempting something new?
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Raymond Urrutia Raymond Urrutia (Feb 09 2015 1:05PM) : Sometimes trying to rationalize something makes it even more irrational more

That even people who are accustomed with the environment, of which something new is being attempted, sometimes don’t know how to handle such a radical change. They will try to dumb it down or control it in a manner that allows them to accept and/or feel comfortable with it, even if that change is absurd in its rationality.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2015 5:23AM) : absurd in its rationality? I can't figure out what that means.
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Raymond Urrutia Raymond Urrutia (Feb 12 2015 7:27AM) : Absurd in Rationality more

There’s absurdity in Carey’s advice to Wayne about stopping through every sentence because he thought the audience wouldn’t be able to catch what he said. He thought this new mechanism of film needed to be dumbed down in order for the audience to understand it. He didn’t know what actually to do with it, so he gave it a form of controllability. Whether he honestly did this for himself or the audience is inconsequential, what matters is the fact that it’s absurd to think we wouldn’t be able to understand somebody talking on a screen. The same can be said about Vertov’s ASL’s and the critic figuring nobody would understand Vertov’s movie because they wouldn’t be able to concentrate due to the quick changes.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 6:59AM) : Vertov is not worried about what the audience can absorb
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 09 2015 3:16PM) : The initial response is often resistant. Even though the new work of art will generate great impact, people tend to doubt about things that they are not used to. [Edited] more

Since film audience has accustomed to an average shot length (ASL) of 11.2 seconds, the quick cuts from Man with a Movie Camera cause trouble of comprehending the meaning behind shots. This is why Ebert brings up Harry Carey’s advice — in order to keep track with the director, audience needs longer shots to digest. Vertof’s use of short shots is revolutionary although it receives criticism.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2015 5:24AM) : Another reason for the short shots may be the director's desire to make a state about the frenetic pace of modern life.
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (Feb 11 2015 1:47PM) : People and technology change regardless of whether we like it. This movie was a staple for that concept . more

People were not used to seeing a change such as this one. It does him well to ask the question in the beginning along with the statement comparing the past ASL fact with the modern movie, because it shows just how much people have changed after a few years, regardless of how reluctant we were to change in the first place.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 8:42AM) : The pace of change becomes important.
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Feb 11 2015 10:22PM) : Dziga Vertov regards machines equal to humans in rest, work, and purpose. The way the film was shot was to give machines the same amount of space, camera angles. [Edited] more

Ebert suggest that these quick shots revealed the joys of work, the rhythm of workers and machines, he also felt that film-making was also a component of that mechanical reality. The shots can represent the pacing of what way life back then, comparing how long can a individual watch something without tuning out.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 11:16AM) : To put it another way: the machines seem to take on a life of them own, which means what as far as human beings are concerned?
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Feb 12 2015 7:29PM) : Viewers are brought into a world that focuses on the association of man and machine; how man not only controls the machine. it's out put and maintenance but also how man is like a machine. more

It is output and maintenance that is also how man is like a machine. As technology helps society influence today’s society. Man is the driving force of modern society; man is the backbone behind production and advances technology that grabs humans’ attention.

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Alison Ng Alison Ng (Feb 11 2015 10:29PM) : Response more

While society strives to progress and come up with new ideas, the usual response to something new is disapproval. I think people react this way not because that actually dislike it, but that they do not know how to feel. New things are unfamiliar territory, which comes with apprehension.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 11:17AM) : Is this what the film is suggesting? How?
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I do not think the film suggests apprehension, but I think that Vertov decided to create a film like this because there were none like it before. And as a result, Vertov received questionable feedback. Hence, the NYT review quoted in Ebert’s review.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 15 2015 6:55AM) : Thanks for the clarificatio
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Anson Chan Anson Chan (Feb 12 2015 1:33PM) : He is essentially saying that the piece of art will naturally undergo a lot of scrutiny over whatever it is that it is trying to change, sometimes to the point that the criticism is grasping at straws.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:01AM) : Right
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Feb 12 2015 8:54PM) : People are thrown off by new and creative styles. more

At the time Vertof was trying a completely new style one that, Mordaunt Hall was “horrified” by seeing. A lot of the time people are scared or thrown off by new ideas, even though they might lead to changing the entire landscape of the entire film industry.

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"Man With a Movie Camera" is fascinating for many better reasons than its ASL, but let's begin with the point Dziga Vertof was trying to make. He felt film was locked into the tradition of stage plays, and it was time to discover a new style that was specifically cinematic. Movies could move with the speed of our minds when we are free-associating, or with the speed of a passionate musical composition. They did not need any dialogue--and indeed, at the opening of the film he pointed out that it had no scenario, no intertitles, and no characters. It was a series of images, and his notes specified a fast-moving musical score.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 18 2015 11:02AM) : Explain what it means to say that films were locked into the traditions of the stage play.
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 09 2015 3:35PM) : Films had been a manifestation of the filmmakers intention and objective. They were heavily based on filmmakers' perspective, and filmmakers manipulate dialogue, characters, stage setting, editing to deliver their perspective. more

“The stage play” sounds more planned-out while Vertof’s new style induces “free-associating.” This new style is more documentary especially when the film is capturing daily activities compared to the traditional stage play.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2015 5:25AM) : There are centain conventions of the stage that appear in early movies. What are those conventions?
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 10 2015 2:33PM) : The conventions include main characters, a script, and stage set-up. In early films, a stage is prepared deliberately for filming a particular story. more

Man with a Movie Camera breaks the conventions by filming with a free style that elicits free interpretation from its viewers.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 11 2015 1:42PM) : More could be said about stage setup
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (Feb 11 2015 1:42PM) : A stage has limits, which was what Vertof was trying to break. more

A stage has the limits of a single place, so the scenes and background had to look ambiguous enough, or rather versatile enough to change throughout the play, or have the characters interact in ways that clearly changes the scenes for them.
In films, you have the luxury and liberty to change any scene, and express exactly what you want to make the audience feel without having to use dialogue, and it forces an artist to think more creatively about how to do this.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 8:40AM) : Good point
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When I read “locked into the traditions of the stage play,” the first thing that comes to mind is ‘to act.’ In other words, every movement, every act was deliberate and planned out. In addition to that, when I think of a staged performance, I think of the dramatization and emotion of the characters in every scene that happens. Things that happen in a performance (no matter what it is) is there in order to elicit emotion from the audience.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 11:18AM) : Stage conventions means something more than you are dealing with here.
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Feb 11 2015 11:58PM) : The tradition of stage plays has live performance of scripted drama has been a part of almost every culture. more

These can be useful for demonstrating to agents, producers, and publishers that one wants a straight forward concept, but in the world of aspiring filmmakers, each individual wants make something that don’t follow the tradition norm of filming in the earlier 1920s. In “Man With a Movie Camera”, the film lacks a scripted narrative , as if the camera eye and the editor did not need direction to express for viewers to understand what is going on.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 11:19AM) : I don't think you understand the term stage conventions.
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Feb 12 2015 7:49PM) : Stage conventions I think is tradition practices that recur over a number of works within a specific genre. more

A stage takes in one place that has limit options for backgrounds environments, and characters performance for script in a play to adjust too. When making a film, you can modify scenes you want the viewers to make a connection too. It is more challenging for a filmmaker to do because of the ability to change something if it doesn’t present their idea before presenting it to their target audience than a stage play.

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Anson Chan Anson Chan (Feb 12 2015 1:37PM) : During that time, theater plays were still common, and it is conceivable that filmmakers simply worked with what people were most familiar with. The problem with that though, is that even the best movie would essentially be a recorded play.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:03AM) : And how does that hamper filmmaking?
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Michelle Macauda Michelle Macauda (Feb 12 2015 8:46PM) : I feel that Ebert is saying that the tradition of stage play was the typical type of set up of films. In this film the scenes are much faster and shorter, keeping the viewer intrigued. The scenes are sequenced similarly to how the brain works, creating id more

I feel that Ebert is saying that the tradition of stage play was the typical type of set up of films. In this film the scenes are much faster and shorter, keeping the viewer intrigued. The scenes are sequenced similarly to how the brain works, creating idea after idea without stopping.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:03AM) : Exactly
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Feb 12 2015 9:05PM) : Before this revolutionary film, other films were shot as if you were sitting at a play. more

In “Man With a Movie Camera” the audience gets to see a film from different shots from different angles in a shorter period, which gives them a different perspective for the film overall. Other films would have long shots from the same angle which at times can make someone feel like they are sitting, watching a play because each scene is shown from the same angle and it doesn’t allow for a scene to be shown from a different perspective.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:04AM) : Quite true
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Kerry Mack Kerry Mack (Feb 12 2015 11:31PM) : Films were locked into the traditions of stage play because they all followed the same rules. They all had similar plots, characters, time frames, clear locations, lessons to be taught, etc. All previous films fulfilled the same basic needs to tell more

a story. What those filmmakers didn’t realize is that a story could be told without a script, a plot, lighting, and dialogue.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:05AM) : Good point
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Jocelyn Davila Jocelyn Davila (Feb 12 2015 11:31PM) : At the time people were not exposed to these types of films more

Films were traditional, meaning with professional actors, scripts, and movie sets etc.. “Man with a Movie Camera” captures everyday life in Russia during the Industrial Revolution which can be shocking to the average American audience.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:06AM) : The city becomes the movie set.
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Christina Rivera Christina Rivera (Feb 13 2015 9:24AM) : Being locked in to the traditions of stage play were unnatural and not what all viewers can connect to more

In films, dialogues were used, they were planned out and not as natural as the films we watch today. However, “Man Wth a Movie Camera” was steering away from that. He is saying here that all those extras that showed one perspective and didn’t always connect to the audience was shifted here and gave some excitement to the usual movie.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 15 2015 6:48AM) : But Vertov is not dealing with talking pictures. This is not about dialogue. You couldn't hear any dialogue. I think you misunderstood the question.
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There was an overall plan. He would show 24 hours in a single day of a Russian city. It took him four years to film this day, and he worked in three cities: Moscow, Kiev and Odessa. His wife Yelizaveta Svilova supervised the editing from about 1,775 separate shots -- all the more impressive because most of the shots consisted of separate set-ups. The cinematography was by his brother, Mikhail Kaufman, who refused to ever work with him again. (Vertov was born Denis Kaufman, and worked under a name meaning "spinning top." Another brother, Boris Kaufman, immigrated to Hollywood and won an Oscar for filming "On the Waterfront.")

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 18 2015 11:03AM) : Ebert refers to shots, not scenes. Why?
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 09 2015 3:45PM) : A shot is a non-stop take over an uninterrupted period of time. A scene is an organization of shots. I would say scenes have more context than shots because shots contribute themselves to scenes. more

Man with a Movie Camera contains many shots that do not interact with each other, so those shots do not necessarily form a scene.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2015 5:26AM) : Or perhaps the shot do interact, but not as a scene.
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 10 2015 2:35PM) : I shouldn't say that shots "do not interact with each other" because the organization of the unrelated shots does form a meaning. more

The shots associate with each other in a sense of promoting motions of a major Russian city.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 11 2015 1:44PM) : but do the shots also comment on each other by the way they are arranged?
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Julissa Soriano Julissa Soriano (Feb 10 2015 4:42PM) : Elbert refers to shots not scenes because a shot is capturing one specific movement or sequence. more

A scene allows viewers to rest their eyes a bit more, whereas this film filled with shots does not allow the audience any visual break. This makes he film give off a more frantic vibe.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 11 2015 1:45PM) : Ebert
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Daniel Kvist Daniel Kvist (Feb 12 2015 2:18PM) : A shot consists of a single take, which can be several seconds or several minutes long. A scene is composed of several shots. more

The stories that the first directors wished to record might run near half an hour, or in Vertov’s case nearly 70 min.; but, it is known that their cameras could only hold a few minutes worth of film. To solve the problem, they must have shot scenes in short sections, and spliced the separate film strips together.

While we know that the “scenes” in “Man with a Movie Camera” aren’t very long, I believe one could justify the argument of why Ebert refers to “shots,” and not “scenes.”

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:07AM) : A take lasting several minutes would be quite unusual.
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Feb 12 2015 8:11PM) : Ebert is referring that the shots is what is recorded from the time Vertov turn the camera on to the the time he turn the camera off. [Edited] more

Vertov use several shots (edited or not) to compose a scene. A scene can have a series of seemingly random shots for viewers to get a visual appeal, but it is the editor, Elizaveta Svilova who pieces these random shots together to create and change some very important things.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:08AM) : A little vague. What important things?
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Michelle Macauda Michelle Macauda (Feb 12 2015 8:52PM) : Ebert refers to them as shots and not scenes because they are shorter and faster compared to regular film scenes. Most scenes in films are much longer and from only a few perspectives. In these shots they are from different set-ups and angl more

Ebert refers to them as shots and not scenes because they are shorter and faster compared to regular film scenes. Most scenes in films are much longer and from only a few perspectives. In these shots they are from different set-ups and angles.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:09AM) : Regular?
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Feb 12 2015 9:11PM) : Because they are two completely different things. more

A shot is the angle, and or movement from which the footage is filmed. A scene is duration of action or dialogue that was captured on film, it can be made up of one shot or several shots. This is what separated Vertof from others, he chose to use several shots to tell a scene.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:10AM) : What others?
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Feb 13 2015 9:54AM) : Other directors/producers
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 15 2015 6:49AM) : And editors.
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Kerry Mack Kerry Mack (Feb 12 2015 11:34PM) : A scene implies something is occurring in a particular sequential order to tell a story or follow a plot. Man With a Movie Camera does not have a plot or scenes. It has "shots" because it is comprised of many short clips that do not have a necessary order
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:11AM) : There are scenes--not just shots.
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Born in 1896 and coming of age during the Russian Revolution, Vertov considered himself a radical artist in a decade where modernism and surrealism were gaining stature in all the arts. He began by editing official newsreels, which he assembled into montages that must have appeared rather surprising to some audiences, and then started making his own films. He would invent an entirely new style. Perhaps he did. "It stands as a stinging indictment of almost every film made between its release in 1929 and the appearance of Godard’s 'Breathless' 30 years later," the critic Neil Young wrote, "and Vertov’s dazzling picture seems, today, arguably the fresher of the two." Godard is said to have introduced the "jump cut," but Vertov's film is entirely jump cuts.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 18 2015 11:05AM) : Why does Ebert mention modernism and surrealilsm in connection with Vertov's film?
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 09 2015 4:27PM) : Vertov's filming style was influenced by the notion of Communism that prevailed in Russia. His Man with a Movie Camera centered around the working class with focuses on the daily working activities. more

Surrealism applies when Vertov’s camera works as an human eye that is witnessing the city. The film is not telling a story, but it enables us to picture ourselves in the city with our own stories flashing around. Isn’t it in modern society we all associate ourselves with the surroundings? The film makes me feel that I am participating into a Russian city with Vertov.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2015 5:27AM) : But how is what you say related to surrealism?
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 10 2015 2:53PM) : An example that illustrates surrealism is the self-moving camera. The camera is implied to be a human eye, and the camera moving by itself acts as if the camera is alive. It is witnessing the city just like human beings are. more

The “alive” camera scene conveys surrealism because camera should be operated by people. When the film shows the camera moving, the film surpasses reality, which creates surrealism.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 11 2015 1:45PM) : I am not entirely sure you understand surrealism, which is a movement in the arts
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Feb 12 2015 9:03PM) : Vertov's film sought to portray both the inhumanity of czarist rule and the revolutionary potential, daily labors, and communal bonds of the Soviet people gaining a sense of modernism and surrealilsm. more

I believe Ebert meant that all people could become artists through the democratization of both technology and creativity. Vertov wanted his audiences place themselves in his situation. He is our eyes as directed by human interest and motivation.e. The overwhelming and exciting portrayal of the public life upstages the domestic life through this careful editing, creating a aesthetic transformation of the city.

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Michelle Macauda Michelle Macauda (Feb 12 2015 9:22PM) : Modernism and surrealism refers conformity. These two terms are used to describe a era when doing things to resemble real time and every day life. In the film, Vertov used a different style to invoke a new style of film. The jump cut was used to do this b more

Modernism and surrealism refers conformity. These two terms are used to describe a era when doing things to resemble real time and every day life. In the film, Vertov used a different style to invoke a new style of film. The jump cut was used to do this by creating a sense of nuance.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:14AM) : The first sentence makes no sense to me.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 18 2015 11:06AM) : What is a jump cut?
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 09 2015 4:31PM) : A jump cut is the use of film editing that given two sequential shots of the same subject, taken from the same perspective, audience can easily notice the passing of time. [Edited] more

Intuitively, it is like a shot jumps from a point of time to another later point of time.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2015 5:27AM) : Right.
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (Feb 11 2015 1:52PM) : Not only used for jumping through time more

Jump cuts can also be used for showing a reaction of someone whilst another person is talking. Or perhaps to show something going on in one place while a dialogue is happening in another

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 8:42AM) : Good point
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Anson Chan Anson Chan (Feb 12 2015 1:48PM) : When the scene makes a rapid transition to another scene, sometimes with only a small change in camera angle.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:16AM) : Or a big change
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Daniel Kvist Daniel Kvist (Feb 12 2015 2:29PM) : Having a single subject and camera angle suddenly switch positions or transition between sentences instantly rather than through fluid motion makes a video appear more active or lively. [Edited] more

The term “jump cuts” has become popular among YouTube producers in recent years. News vloggers use this method to transition between the story and their take, often to humorous effect. Some movie genres don’t necessarily use the humor effect, but rather as an unexpected shocking effect.

Jump cuts haven’t always been used as a good thing. For example, an actor in the middle of a sentence will appear with different hand or body positions from one camera to the next with no middle shot to break continuity. In this case, jump cuts are a bad thing.

What we refer to as jump cuts now are intentional and intended to make up for the single-camera style so many vloggers on YouTube use for their videos.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:17AM) : Jump cuts have nothing to do with sentences most of the time.
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Feb 12 2015 9:14PM) : It would be a shot of some one sitting down with one beer then a cut two the same shot and the subject now has several beers drank on the table, and the subject is drunk at the table.
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Feb 13 2015 9:56AM) : I was trying to establish that the beers were empty to show passage of time, from the subject have just one beer on the table to having several empty beers on the table
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 15 2015 6:50AM) : Ok
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Feb 12 2015 9:16PM) : A jump cut is an indirect cut that appears to be an interruption of a single shot. more

Vertov use of jump cuts representing the people of everyday life. Rather than presenting a film as a self-contained story that seamlessly unfold in front of us, Vertov reason of using jump cuts are like utterances that evidentiates both the artificiality and the visualization of telling such a story though image.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:19AM) : Abrupt or even disruptive shots.

There is a temptation to review the simply by listing what you will see in it. Machinery, crowds, boats, buildings, production line workers, streets, beaches, crowds, hundreds of individual faces, planes, trains, automobiles, and so on. But these shots have an organizing pattern. "Man With a Movie Camera" opens with an empty cinema, its seats standing at attention. The seats swivel down (by themselves), and an audience hurries in and fills them. They begin to look at a film. This film. And this film is about--this film being made.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 18 2015 11:08AM) : What is the organizing pattern of the shots?
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 10 2015 12:01PM) : The film is basically a montage of machinery, people, and street cars. more

I would divide the film into three parts. The first part focuses on functioning machinery, which represents the development of a country in the middle of being industrialized.

The second part displays many athletic moves, and the camera focuses on human. The slow-motion editing technique emphasizes human spirit. The citizen is the most important element of a city. The shots of athletes deliver the human power of the country.

The third part is the street cars moving forward. It is through out the entire film. The shots of the street cars tell that the city is always lively and moving forward.

The organizing pattern of the shots makes me feel the love of the director towards his city and country. He must really love his city so that he captures daily motions as an work of art because those daily moves are the pulse of the city.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 11 2015 1:39PM) : You miss one vital element.
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 13 2015 11:19AM) : The man with the movie camera! Of course!
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 15 2015 6:51AM) : How is he a vital elemen?
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Feb 12 2015 9:41PM) : In the first 5 minutes of the film, I witness a every day action of people movements towards the theater. [Edited] more
It is the camera and the editing that gives us this sense, and we are very aware of the importance of the man making the decisions about each shot. Our minds make us believe that this a film within a film itself, creating self awareness. The viewer can learn about how Vertov through his choices, possibly because with our observations by making the theater almost come to life as the films reel is put in place; as the film screen-er pulls a rope on his camera set, the seats open up to accept those who would populate the theater.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:20AM) : Film spacesuits own reality.
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (Feb 11 2015 1:56PM) : There is a reason to why the shots are organized the way they have been. more

The organizing pattern of the shots are basically a consistent, and relevant flow of events happening within the film.
It is used to show the gradual rise of events into the climax down to the end of the film, which portrayed how the film came to look at the end.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 8:43AM) : A film that is aware of itself.
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I think this filmed is organized in multiple ways. One way that comes to mind is the order of people and objects in which Vertov puts on screen. After watching the film and remembering back on it, the things I remember are: the woman getting out of bed in the beginning, the moving trains/trolleys/cars throughout the film, the crowds, the busy streets, the crowded beach, the various physical games (sports), the mental games (checkers, chess), the ambulance and finally at the end, the camera which seems to move on its own.

After going and listing all of the things I remember, this brings me to another thought that comes to mind when talking about the organization of this film: stream of consciousness. Different shots and scenes are shown with different time lengths, which allow Vertov to give us a constant stream of information. This reminds me of my thoughts, which come one by one, but also all together at once sometimes.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 11:20AM) : So the movie, in some respects, evokes the movement of the mind.
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Michelle Macauda Michelle Macauda (Feb 12 2015 9:26PM) : The film is organized in a way that is seems sporadic. But, these shots are organized to flow like an ordinary film, having an establishing a setting and characters, having a conflict and through to a climax. Then the final shots ending the film to create more

The film is organized in a way that is seems sporadic. But, these shots are organized to flow like an ordinary film, having an establishing a setting and characters, having a conflict and through to a climax. Then the final shots ending the film to create a familiar ending.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:21AM) : So there is continuity.
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The only continuing figure -- not a "character" -- is the Man With the Movie Camera. He uses an early hand-cracked model, smaller than the one Buster Keaton uses in "The Cameraman" (1928), although even that one is light enough to be balanced on the shoulder with its tripod. This Man is seen photographing many of the shots in the movie. Then there are shots of how he does it--securing the tripod and himself to the top of an automobile or the bed of a speeding truck, stooping to walk through a coal mine, hanging in a basket over a waterfall. We see a hole being dug between two train tracks, and later a train racing straight towards the camera. We're reminded that when the earliest movie audiences saw such a shot, they were allegedly terrified, and ducked down in their seats.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 18 2015 11:09AM) : Why wouldn't you call the cameraman a character?
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Raymond Urrutia Raymond Urrutia (Feb 09 2015 1:40PM) : It’s all representative of what Vertov is trying to show more

The process of which this cameraman is capturing this Russian metropolis is simply the work of another Russian resident going about their job. As we see the job of the coal miners, traffic cops and switchboard operators, the cameraman’s job is to capture them doing their job. In filming the cameraman in his unique predicaments, Vertov is simply making a point that he and the cameraman are simply doing their job, making them as much a part of the city, and a character, as any other person filmed within the movie.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 10 2015 5:31AM) : Except that the cameraman is recording and is aware of city life in ways the others are not.
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 09 2015 6:48PM) : The cameraman is a symbol representing local citizens. The camera behind the cameraman makes me feel like I am walking along with the cameraman on Russian streets. more

A metropolis absorbs its residents, so when he is recording the city, he himself is recorded at the same time by the city (or the city’s residents). The cameraman is not a character. He represents a part of the soul of the city.

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Perhaps he does not consider him a character because he does not need any direction, and was not trying to portray anyone other than himself doing his only job, as a cameraman filming a city that he is a citizen of.

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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Feb 12 2015 10:01PM) : The cameraman is a craftsman of seeing, a organizer of visible life. more
The cameraman produce the inter lays and montages of the camera lens and the human eye emphasis the camera’s role as an active observer and reporter of human activities.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:23AM) : Right. Emphasizing that the camera is not a passive recording instrument.
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Kerry Mack Kerry Mack (Feb 12 2015 11:36PM) : The camera man is not a character because he is the one telling or responsible for the "story." For example, if a director gave commentary for a documentary, one wouldn't consider them a character.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:24AM) : But the cameraman is part of the action. So how could he not be a character? Narrators characters too.
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Intercut with this are shots of this film being edited. The machinery. The editor. The physical film itself. Sometimes the action halts with a freeze frame, and we see that the editor has stopped work. But that's later--placing it right after the freeze frame would seem too much like continuity. If there is no continuity, there is a gathering rhythmic speed that reaches a crescendo nearer the end. The film has shot itself, edited itself, and now is conducting itself at an accelerating tempo.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 18 2015 11:10AM) : The camera is a machine, one only of several n the film. How is it like other machines? How does the camera differ from other machines?
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The camera is a machine much similar to other machines like binoculars or telescopes. They both have are a lens, tripods, lens adjustments, power buttons, and USB ports. A camera differs from other machinery because it is one of the few machines that can capture visual ongoing action.

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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 11 2015 10:41AM) : Camera is functioned by human power just like several other factory machinery. The shots showing the camera being carried by the man tell that people control the society as they operate all the machinery. more

The camera differs from other machines in that other machines are elements within the reality, but a camera is the tool that captures the reality.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 8:38AM) : Right
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Feb 12 2015 10:16PM) : The camera is controlled by a human being, meaning machine a society can control as they see fit. more

The technological advances of that time were not not a big impact as today. The camera shows how production, machines, and people enjoyment fascination never stop. There is always this sense of progress. The camera shows that there is always two sides to every part of life, whether it showing fiction or reality.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:26AM) : I think you are mistake about the impact of technology then.
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Most movies strive for what John Ford called "invisible editing" -- edits that are at the service at the storytelling, and do not call attention to themselves. Even with a shock cut in a horror film, we are focused on the subject of the shot, not the shot itself. Considered as a visual object, "Man With a Movie Camera" deconstructs this process. It assembles itself in plain view. It is about itself, and folds into and out of itself like origami. It was in 1912 that Marcel Duchamp shocked the art world with his painting "Nude Descending a Staircase." It wasn't shocked by nudity--the painting was too abstract to show any. They were shocked that he depicted the descent in a series of steps taking place all at the same time. In a way, he had invented the freeze frame.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 18 2015 11:12AM) : Why does Vertov want his editing to show?
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Raymond Urrutia Raymond Urrutia (Feb 09 2015 1:30PM) : The editing is meant to represent metropolis Russia more

The shots are conjoined together to represent the goings-on of living in a Russian city. It shows people traveling, working and playing as well as capturing some of the mechanisms of the inanimate machines that keeps it going. People and machinery are the major subjects of the movie because they both keep the city going as well as give it a personality, something I think Vertov wanted to represent.

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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 11 2015 10:51AM) : The intention to show the editing corresponds to the "surrealism" that we discussed earlier. more

The editing makes me feel like watching “surreality” since the visual effect of the images projected is reinforced. The editing tells me that certain reality, such as the self-moving camera, is created rather than merely represented.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 8:39AM) : Created yes
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All documentary films have an idea they want to convey; I think Vertov’s idea is to show actuality. His film is titled “Man with a Movie Camera.” In this film, a man shoots with a camera. He chooses different scenes and settings. The audience watches this man film. Then the audience sees the film. And a woman cutting and editing the film. The audience also sees another audience watching the produced film.

In the review, Ebert mentions how other artists shocked the world with the pieces they created. That is what Vertov does by showing the production stages of his film. A movie does not show actuality, but acting, and Vertov goes against the movie norm by creating this film.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 11:21AM) : He exposes film itself.
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Feb 12 2015 10:27PM) : Vertov wanted to show the world that the cinema could break free from stage plays and move on a much faster pace of speed. more
Vertov wanted audiences to undergo a free-association process which processes information as fast as our brain. The film is simply a series of images that is creating an absolute language of cinema by separating the language from the theater and literature. This resulted in a eye candy felt to it with its visual images that are surreal and entertaining but intellectually undemanding.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:28AM) : Eye candy demeans what Vertov was doing.
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Kerry Mack Kerry Mack (Feb 12 2015 11:38PM) : Vertov wants his editing to show the pace, tradition, complexity and humanity of Russia. It is as if there is so much going on, he cannot just focus on one aspect of life in Russia at that time. He values the Russia and Russians in many different ways more

and for many different reasons.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:28AM) : Yes. He aims to be comprehensive
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What Vertov did was elevate this avant-garde freedom to a level encompassing his entire film. That is why the film seems fresh today; 80 years later, itisfresh. There had been "city documentaries" earlier, showing a day in the life of a metropolis; one of the most famous was "Berlin: Symphony of a Great City" (1927).

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By filming in three cities and not naming any of them, Vertov had a wider focus: His film was about The City, and The Cinema, and The Man With a Movie Camera. It was about the act of seeing, being seen, preparing to see, processing what had been seen, and finally seeing it. It made explicit and poetic the astonishing gift the cinema made possible, of arranging what we see, ordering it, imposing a rhythm and language on it, and transcending it. Godard once said "The cinema is life at 24 frames per second." Wrong. That's what life is. The Cinema only starts with the 24 frames -- and besides, in the silent era it was closer to 18 fps. It's what you doafteryou have your frames that makes it Cinema.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 18 2015 11:13AM) : What happens after you have the frames? What is Ebert's point?
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Julissa Soriano Julissa Soriano (Feb 10 2015 10:38PM) : What you do after the frames more

After the frames are shot you conceptualize them and format them in the sequence that most fitting, to deliver the message the producer is trying to convey.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 11 2015 1:46PM) : ok
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 11 2015 11:05AM) : The frames is the entrance to the "Cinema." Ebert's point is that the "Cinema" has a denotation of showing shots and scenes that contain frames; moreover, it has a connotation that the frames create an imaginative world. more

After the frames, people translate them with their personal associations. “24 frames per second” are 24 chances that elicit imagination of the world that films present.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 8:39AM) : Ok
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (Feb 11 2015 2:13PM) : Good cinema has the power to make people feel and change their lives. more

“What you do after your frames that make it cinema” conveys the message that good cinema has the power to change people’s live whether in a minuscule way, or in a revolutionary way. In this case, it was the starting point to films being made the way this one was, at least in terms of ASL, and anyone could take messages sent in any film and translate that into their own lives.
This is why people enjoy cinema in the first place, to escape their own problems and to emerge in the wanderlust of others.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 8:46AM) : Always to escape?
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (Feb 13 2015 12:16PM) : Honestly, I think so more

i do think it is always to escape. It doesn’t necessarily mean escaping from a bad reality. Stephen King also said that people enjoy sick horror films because it pleases a part of their subconscious that society teaches us to extinguish, or at least conceal.
When people go see movies, it is because they are interested in someone else’s idea of an alternate reality, thus momentarily escaping their own.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 15 2015 6:54AM) : Your last sentence is a good clarification, although certain films, docmentarie, may be about issues that directly concern the audience: health care, climate change, for example
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Feb 12 2015 10:37PM) : Ebert's point about the frames you capture was a way to express ideas not only through images but through editing and juxtaposition. more

The question is after you capture something that captures reality what can you do to show what your idea of reality to others in its documentation of common human experience.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:30AM) : Right. Everton is exploring modes of representation.

The experience of "Man With a Movie Camera" is unthinkable without the participation of music. Virtually every silent film was seen with music, if only from a single piano, accordion, or violin. The Mighty Wurlitzer, with its sound effects and different musical voices, was invented for movies.

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The version available in the U.S. is from Kino, and features a score by composer Michael Nyman ("The Piano"). It was premiered performed by the Michael Nyman Band on May 17, 2002 at London's Royal Festival Hall. As the tempo mounts, it takes on a relentless momentum. Another score was created by the Cinematic Orchestra, and you can hear it while viewing nine minutes of the film here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvTF6B5XKxQ

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A famous score was created by the Alloy Orchestra of Cambridge, Mass., which devotes itself to accompanying silent cinema. To mark the 80th anniversary of the film, the Alloy obtained and restored a print from the Moscow Film Archive, and performed their revised score in the city. They will tour with the print in 2010, and on their schedule is Ebertfest 2010.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 18 2015 11:15AM) : What does sound and a musical score contribute to the film?
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (Feb 10 2015 2:26PM) : The participation of music enhances the visual effects of the film tremendously. [Edited] more

There are many actions repeated on screen for several times, and the music follows closely with the repeated action by playing the same note, which creates a motif.

I really enjoyed watching the film. It is a masterpiece. However, I imagine the film will be hard to watch without the accompany of the musical score. At some point I even thought the shots were supplementary to the music score.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 11 2015 1:41PM) : Vertov suggested his own score, so music, sound, is vital.
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Evie Horn Evie Horn (Feb 11 2015 7:40PM) : Having a music score allows films to tap into more than just one human sense, making it a full experience. more

If silent films didn’t have music scores, which some don’t, it would be easy to get bored. Only one sense, sight, would be stimulated. Having a music score not only will also give the audience something to listen to to keep their attention, but will make the film more interesting and emotional. People usually have emotional responses to music, therefore having the music playing would tap into that side of them. Also music can help make a scene more intense, sad, scary, happy – whatever the scene is trying to portray. With music the meaning of the scene or shot can be made much more apparent and enjoyable.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 12 2015 8:51AM) : Could music also distract?
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Anson Chan Anson Chan (Feb 12 2015 1:43PM) : The sounds of a film enhances the mood that the filmmaker is trying to convey. Without sound and music, the audience is merely a bystander and can lose interest, but with the right sound and music they can feel immersed in the moment.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:31AM) : Just mood?
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Feb 12 2015 9:20PM) : It creates the mood. more

Music and/or sound can single handily change the entire atmosphere of a film. From creepy to spooky music setting a ton in scary movies, to how the sound of lasers screams sci-fi films. Sound changes the feel of a film.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:31AM) : Changes or enhances?
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Feb 13 2015 10:03AM) : Could do both
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 15 2015 6:50AM) : How?
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Feb 16 2015 1:26PM) : Lets say a character is having a great day, the music could add to it/enhance the feeling that we feel seeing the character and hearing the up beat music. Then lets say something tragic happens, the music switches tones/feel which then changes how we feel [Edited]
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Feb 12 2015 10:57PM) : Sound and music may be the most powerful tool in the filmmaker’s arsenal in terms of its ability to draw movie on-goners to watch thier product. more

The presence of sound and music makes time pass more quickly in the movie, making it less boring and more enjoyable because music is inherently arousing or it can be distracting. Sometimes a sound or music seems to be out of context of a scene/shot, but it could be a design choose to help understand the situation surrounding the scene.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:33AM) : Sound and music can have an intellectual component.
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Jocelyn Davila Jocelyn Davila (Feb 12 2015 11:23PM) : It makes the film more interesting more

The musical score can help the audience understand the film better, it can intensify a scene and set the tone. It can almost serve as guide to the viewer.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2015 7:34AM) : Interesting is vague.
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Alison Ng Alison Ng (Feb 13 2015 11:22PM) : Response more

Like we discussed in class today, different mediums evoke different responses. A film is viewed, while a score is heard.

A musical score tells a story on its own. By adding a score to a film, a score heightens the experience because the audience is able to hear a story, while seeing it on screen. Different aspects of music create an array of emotional response from the listener. (For example, high pitched staccato notes build the feeling of being in a hurry or rushing.)

Also, one’s experience can change if a movie is played with two different scores. I originally watched this movie on YouTube with a different score. With the in-class viewing, I felt that the score was more invasive because my emotional reactions were stronger.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 15 2015 6:56AM) : I agree on the dfferences between the two scores.
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