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"I'm a charlatan," says Orson Welles, looking very fit, his manner that of the practiced con artist who knows that if he confesses to everything, he will be held accountable for nothing. Or is it the other way around?

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 19 2015 4:03AM) : What would it mean if Welles is accountable for everything? [Edited]
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Julissa Soriano Julissa Soriano (Apr 28 2015 12:12PM) : Reply [Edited] more

I personally think this documentary is just as fake as the people in it. So when Vincent Canby says Welles is accountable for everything, I think what he means is that he has to choose one side or another and stick with it. Meaning if he is a fake and the people in the film are fakes he can’t go ahead and confess all of it because then there will be no mystery and he will be held accountable for nothing.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Apr 29 2015 4:03AM) : Well, one way to look at it is that all art is a fake--not real, a fiction, a construct, and imitation.
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Apr 28 2015 2:09PM) : Since their is some controversy over Welles being the one who directed the film, along with the film being fake itself then Welles is just as fault of being "fake" just like the people that he interviewed and who the story is about.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Apr 29 2015 4:05AM) : But Canby also says "the other way around," which means?
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Apr 29 2015 7:03PM) : What Canby meant by Welles is accountable for everything shows in the discussion of art forgery, the confirmation to be accountable could also be a reassuring victory for truth. [Edited] more

It could also be a statement of intent to question the nature of cinema and authorship, storytelling and illusion. The confesses is all fake which Welles show an honest and provocative declaration of the art is fake.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 02 2015 6:11AM) : The confesses?
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Hui Maggie Su Hui Maggie Su (Apr 30 2015 4:53PM) : Welles can be trusted because he confessed in the beginning of the film. However, you can also choose NOT to trust him because he already told you that it's going to be fake.
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Christina Rivera Christina Rivera (Apr 30 2015 5:28PM) : I agree, it seems like a mind game. As Hui explains, trust him as he is being truthful about lying. Definitely a contradiction. Once you know it is fake, the interest decreases.
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Gil Vazquez Gil Vazquez (May 01 2015 4:35AM) : agree [Edited] more

I would agree that once you know it’s going to be fake, the interest somewhat decreases. It’s like watching “reenactments.” Although the scenario might be based on a true event, the fake re-enactments makes it less impactful.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:30AM) : The interest lies in how the fakers work.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 02 2015 6:13AM) : I'm not sure that is true. Some viewers become intrigued with the machinery of fakery, the inside look.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:29AM) : Perhaps Welles is saying art is a mind game.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 02 2015 6:12AM) : So instead of just saying the film is about faskes, Welles keeps your interest by saying he will tell you the truth about fakes, even though his statment might also be fake.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:29AM) : Yes, his statements are ambiguous.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 02 2015 6:12AM) : So can he be trusted really?
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Hui Maggie Su Hui Maggie Su (May 02 2015 6:27AM) : Of course~ since I wanted to experience the fun of the film, I did convince myself to trust the story his telling. You can choose to figure out the trick while watching a magic OR just watch it and be like "Wow!"
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 03 2015 4:37AM) : Yes, I think Welles is counting on those different kinds of reactions.
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Eva Evans Eva Evans (Apr 30 2015 5:25PM) : By confessing, Welles is taking the coward's way out, in a way. He is freeing himself of accountability by direction the audience to observe him as untrustworthy. However, in doing that, he is becoming his subject, embodying his material. more

That embodiment of his material can make him hyper-accountable. He blurred the usual line between artist and subject.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:31AM) : I'm not sure why it is the coward's way out.
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Raymond Urrutia Raymond Urrutia (May 01 2015 5:51AM) : Deception and Truth!? more

Welles states within the film that “for the next hour everything you hear from us is really true and solid facts.” At the same time the first thing mentioned before this was that this movie is about trickery and deception. He says one thing and then says another. That’s what a magician does; they make you look at one thing when the real thing you should be watching is happening away from your focused eye. Honestly, I don’t think this movie takes itself seriously and that’s the fun of it all. I would say Welles is accountable for the film as a whole, after all this is what he shot and edited to be presented to the viewer, but I don’t really think Welles really cared about the accountability of the facts because in the end, this movie is about the deception and that’s what makes it so much fun.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:31AM) : You may well be right.
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (May 01 2015 8:16AM) : The majority part of F for Fake is a parody of traditional documentary which contains facts and presentations of reality. more

Welles’ confession makes F for Fake out of the documentary mode, and Welles is not restricted to the responsibility of documentary filmmakers that he has to present truth.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:32AM) : Welles is playing with the idea that documentary is truth telling and yet how can it be when film is a species of fakery?
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (May 01 2015 10:10AM) : If he is accountable for everything, there will be less room to do more tricks more

If he is accountable for everything, it means that he did not succeed in his deception and trickery. I think most of his trickery comprises of keeping people focused on other people and their lies as opposed ti his. However, If he confesses, he saves face, and people still respect him enough to claim his work as art.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:33AM) : Welles is trying to have it both ways.
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Student Michelle Gontar Student Michelle Gontar (May 01 2015 2:10PM) : If Welles was accountable for everything it would mean that everything that he says must be taken in full serious disclosure, however this film gives that idea a twist where with a certain knowledge of the film's fake attributes the viewer can decide what more

can or cannot be trusted.

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Khrystyna Melnyk Khrystyna Melnyk (May 07 2015 9:36PM) : The first thing I did when I read the statement, "I am a charlatan," was find the definition of the word 'charlatan' because I wanted to know exactly what Welles is confessing to. more

The definition for charlatan is “a person falsely claiming to have a special knowledge or skill; a fraud.” Therefore, Welles is admitting he is a liar and therefore, he cannot be accountable for anything he says later on because we are supposed to assume he might be lying. However, by saying he is a charlatan, it makes us believe that Welles can look critically at himself and admit the truth about his own personality and character. Therefore, couldn’t the idea he is trying to show, be just as candid as his criticism of himself.

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This is the beginning of Mr. Welles's latest film, "F for Fake," a charming, witty meditation upon fakery, forgery, swindling and art, a movie that may itself be its own Exhibit A.

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The opening sequence is set in a fine old European railroad station, the kind with a peaked glass roof that romantics cherish, that Mr. Welles used in "The Trial" and that urban renewal people tear down. On a colder, snowy day, Anna Karenina might throw herself under some wheels here, but now it's sunny and warm. The mood is cheerfully skeptical.

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Mr. Welles, the master of ceremonies, the credited director and writer as well as star of "F for Fake," welcomes us with some sleight of hand, turning a small boy's key into a coin and back again. "The key," says the charlatan, "is not symbolic of anything." The warnings keep coming, and you may be reminded of the late Old Gold slogan: "It's fun to be fooled, but more fun to know." Perhaps sometimes.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 19 2015 4:04AM) : What do the first four paragraphs tell you about Orson Welles?
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The first four paragraphs tell us the Welles is planned, fixed, meditated, masterly, and a deceiver perhaps. We know by the first four paragraphs that Welles’s scenes are obviously staged and so is the narration. Canby imposes that it is sometimes fun to be fooled and know that you are being fooled. This suggests that it could sometimes be less fun to know that you are fooled. So all in all the mysteriousness of Welles’s film adds excitement and also evokes questioning.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Apr 29 2015 4:05AM) : You misuse the word imposes.
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Apr 28 2015 2:13PM) : The first four paragraphs tell me that Welles is a man that we need to keep under certain scrutiny when we view his film. He uses "old" pieces of work in certain parts of his new films which makes the reader think that more of the film can be staged more

as well as being “fake.”

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Apr 29 2015 4:06AM) : At the same time, Welles is open about his fakery. So what does that mean?
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (May 01 2015 10:18AM) : I like that he is open about his fakery. more

Like an annoyingly playful friend who never gives a straight answer, it is very easy to be seen as smarter or much more deceiving, because he lets everyone know that he is a trickster, so they will constantly be on there guard about what he is doing. In a way, this allows him to trick them in a different route than what they thought he would do. Reverse psychology

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:33AM) : Perhaps so.
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I get a sense that he is very sneaky. The fact that he is open about his fakery makes it even more difficult to figure him out. You can easily tell if a person is being manipulative and crazy if they don’t say so themselves; but Mr. Welles is fully aware of his fakery, so you get a feeling that you dont know where you have him. He sure is a master of disguise – a man with multiple identities that adapt to his surroundings.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:33AM) : Right
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The first four paragraphs tell the reader that Orson Welles isn’t the person you should trust because of his attitude and demeanor. It also suggests that Welles has perfected the act of deceiving, which in turn means that he’s good at making people believe him. But no matter how truthful he sounds, it’s still a lie (or not the full truth).

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:34AM) : Or a lie meant to reveal a certain truth.
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Apr 29 2015 8:25PM) : The first four paragraphs Welles style of filmmaking is far more a deludeof uncertainty. In that sense the punch line is not nearly as important as the substance leading up to it. [Edited] more

The first sequence features Welles performing some slight of hand trickery for children in a railway station, mesmerizing them with his voice as much as with his hands, a classic example of the magician’s art of misdirection. The viewer is pulled into the act and becomes a kind of accomplice, a willing participant dazzled by the show and taken in by the banter.He places all the evidence in front of the viewer’s eye, and goes on to make them forget all the evidence they’ve seen by focusing on a distraction.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:35AM) : Good point. For the magic to work, there have to be willing participants.
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Evie Horn Evie Horn (Apr 30 2015 2:47PM) : The first four paragraphs make Welles out to be somebody that's cunning, suave, and somebody you know you shouldn't trust but are intrigued by anyway. more

It may be the allusion to Anna Karenina that makes me think of the word ‘suave’, but the opening paragraphs definitely make me think of a tall, dark, and handsome man in a trench coat with a lot of charm. That’s not what Welles looks like, but the image that Canby presents originally.

Welles admits to being a ‘charlatan’, which shows his confidence. He knows what he is and he isn’t scared to say it. Also the idea that Welles used a railroad station that ‘romantics cherish’ makes his charm even more apparent.

He’s able to play around with the child, entertaining him with the key and coin. Welles doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that parents would want their child around, but the child is still intrigued. That just seems like the kind of personality and image that Welles has judging by these first paragraphs.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:36AM) : Cunning and charming.
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Hui Maggie Su Hui Maggie Su (Apr 30 2015 5:02PM) : He is having fun faking this film. He also want us to have fun watching this fake film while knowing that we've been fooled. more

Just like the beginning and the ending of the film, Welles uses magic to give an example of how people like to be fooled. We still want to watch the magician fooling us even though we know that is fake. Just like this film, the name of the film already told us it’s fake, but we liked the feeling of trusting the story.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:37AM) : It is fake, and yet we watch, mesmerized.
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Eva Evans Eva Evans (Apr 30 2015 5:28PM) : The paragraphs paint Welles as both a prankster and a philosopher. He wants his viewers to be challenged, baiting them to catch him in his trickery, and enjoys the idea of their struggle as they try to solve his riddle.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:37AM) : He increases viewer involvement by posing questions and instances where art and magic coincide.
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Christina Rivera Christina Rivera (Apr 30 2015 6:31PM) : Canby seems to be dwelling on Welles scenes and his work. He seems to be embracing and saying it is somewhat interest that Welles is attempting to fool the audience, yet filling them in on the joke. more

Welles is so free with his fakery that there isn’t much suspense, aside from the fact of him telling the truth or not

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:38AM) : Even by openly admitting trickery he fascinates viewers who are intrigued by the trickery.
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Raymond Urrutia Raymond Urrutia (May 01 2015 6:09AM) : Personal Feel and the Dropping of Allusions [Edited] more

The mentioning of both how he used the location in this film in another film, and his explaining of the key not symbolizing anything besides it being a key, I feel, is kind of an allusion to the fact that this isn’t your average Orson Welles movie. At the same time, the mentioning and use of these things also lets the audience know that yes, this is an Orson Welles film. This is a very different type of movie then he had ever shot before, and that’s even after the fact that this was his first time directing a “documentary.” There’s also a very personal feel to it by the use of the location as well as him being himself and acknowledging the audience outright, especially the part about the movie, and by extension him, being filled with trickery and deception.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:39AM) : The film becomes a part of the Welles persona.
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (May 01 2015 8:25AM) : Welles' openness about his fakery shows that he is super confident about his production as innovation of documentary; moreover, the way he talks makes me feel like he is very self-narcissistic. [Edited] more

He is an experienced director who has the ability to play with film genres, and he knows people certainly will have fun discovering F for Fake especially since he told us it is fakery right at the beginning.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:40AM) : Self-narcissistic is a confusing term since narcism would seem to be a sufficient word.
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (May 01 2015 10:15AM) : It doesn't tell much except gives clues to his intricate ways of knowing how to trick people. more

He doesn’t give much of anything away. Almost everything he says is preceded by a statement that contradicts it, or questions it. That very nature of explaining is a hint to how he is able to trick people so easily.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:40AM) : Now you see it, now you don't. The essence of magic.
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Student Michelle Gontar Student Michelle Gontar (May 01 2015 2:13PM) : The first four paragraphs suggest that Welle's is a dubious man, one who knows trickery and uses this knowledge to not only play mind games but indulge the viewers in awareness of his tricks almost as a mockery, portraying him as both cunning and sneaky.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 02 2015 6:15AM) : Who better to investigate fakers than a faker?
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"F for Fake" is a documentary compounded of tricks, reversals, interviews with real forgers and re-creations of events that never happened. It's as much magic show as movie, a lark that is great fun even when one wishes the magician would take off his black slouch hat and his magician's cape and get back to making real movies. But did he really make this one? And is "F for Fake" not a real movie?

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 19 2015 4:05AM) : Why does the reviewer keep contradicting himself?
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I think the reviewer is capturing the trickery of Welles’s film and including it in the review. He himself might not even know if the film is a set up or if it is real. Or maybe he does know and wants us to figure it out for ourselves.

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To piggy back on the comment I just wrote I want to add that obviously the movie is a real one about fake people and actors. But what I think he really means by “and is F for Fake not a real movie” is is Welles actually being real or fake? Is he truly being himself, or is he just acting? I like how the Canby lets you think on your own terms and doesn’t impose his own opinion here.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Apr 29 2015 4:07AM) : I think the reviewer does have some doubts about his capacity to review the film.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:42AM) : The critic is showing how his responses reveal something essential about the film: how difficult it is to separate the real and the illusory in art, especially film.
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Apr 28 2015 2:15PM) : The reviewer contradicts himself, becuase although he has his own views as to Welles himself perhaps being fake he is still doing his job as a critic and writes his opinion of the film itself; which we can see that he enjoys. more

While at the same time removing his thoughts and opinions of Welles

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Apr 29 2015 4:07AM) : Right.
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The reviewer loves to portray his own opinions about the film, and not paying too much attention to what he thinks of Mr. Welles. He’s mainly concerned with the film and not his own personal opinion about Mr. Welles.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:42AM) : yes
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Apr 29 2015 8:39PM) : Canby contradicting himself where he express his thoughts on Welles then quickly questions the film being fake. This separating his thoughts about Welles and as a critic, reassure what he visually be fond of as what the viewers relish in. [Edited]
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:44AM) : Canby is reminding you of how the film can seem to one viewer rather than just pronouncing a judgment.
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Evie Horn Evie Horn (Apr 30 2015 2:52PM) : The reviewer may be contradicting himself because the magic he speaks of is a contradiction itself. more

Magic a contradiction of reality and of expectations. It’s hard to understand and comprehend and the answers are left up to imagination. Canby is to F for Fake as the audience is to a magician. They aren’t totally sure what to think, or how to react, but they do their best to grasp what they’ve just seen. Canby is unable to completely process how he sees the film as a reviewer.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:44AM) : Good point.
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Eva Evans Eva Evans (Apr 30 2015 5:36PM) : The reviewer is less contradicting himself than he is highlighting the contradictions that the film asks us to recognize. These contradictions are central to the film, as the very point of the film is the very act of questioning its veracity (and falsity)
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:44AM) : Right, a film of paradoxes.
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Hui Maggie Su Hui Maggie Su (Apr 30 2015 5:48PM) : The reviewer is asking both the audience and himself. For me, although the story that's been told in the film is fake, but the movie is defiantly a real movie. more

It’s Real because it’s a movie that plays around fake. Welles uses the whole plot to show us a form of fake. Also, the actions thats been shot are something that actually happened.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:45AM) : Film is an illusion about reality.
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (May 01 2015 8:36AM) : The reviewer realizes the fact that F for Fake can be interpreted from many different angles. more

It leads back to the debate of real and fake from Nanook of the North: the hunting scene set-up. Aren’t the re-creations of fake events make the events real because they are actually happening in front of cameras? The reviewer keeps contradicting himself makes his readers bring a perspective to the film that we hope to solve the contradictions by watching the film.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:46AM) : The ambiguities of watching anything on film.
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (May 01 2015 10:20AM) : He is reflecting himself off of Welles. more

Welles’ way of tricking is open and conniving, so by contradicting himself, the reviewer allows himself a few moments to bask in the humor of having people guess at what he is trying to say, like an audience would guess at what a magician is trying to do.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:46AM) : There is quite a bit of humor in the film.
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Student Michelle Gontar Student Michelle Gontar (May 01 2015 2:16PM) : The reviewer keeps contridicting himself because despite his own personal views on the movie he is professionally torn between recognizing the movie for what it is or playing along into the illusion the movie creates upon its viewers.
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There are amused rumors to the effect that Mr. Welles did not actually direct a large part of "F for Fake." This part is an extended sequence set in Ibiza involving interviews with Elmyr de Hory, the well-publicized art forger, and Clifford Irving, who wrote Mr. de Hory's biography ("Fake") and later went on to make his own name by attaching it to Howard Hughes's.

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The rumors are that these scenes were shot by François Reichenbach, one of the first practitioners of cinéma vérité, who himself shows up throughout "F for Fake," for which he receives credit as the production coordinator. "F for Fake" is so stylish in all its parts, in its editing and particularly in a final fiction sequence that, if it is a fake, it's a marvelous one, and to hell with the signature on it.

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Which is one of the things that "F for Fake" is all about. Midway through the film, after we've listened to stories that may or may not be true about Mr. de Hory's sucess in supplying the art world with fake Matisses, Picassos and Modiglianis, Mr. Welles reminds us that there are no signatures on the cathedral at Chartres. Chartres needs no "experts" to authenticate its grandeur, he says. "Experts" are the villans of "F for Fake"—people who must tell us whether we should swoon when looking at a particular painting or turn up our noses in disgust.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 19 2015 4:07AM) : What is F for Fake all about?
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Julissa Soriano Julissa Soriano (Apr 28 2015 12:31PM) : Reply more

F for Fake by Welles is about deceit and how deceit was actually accepted in the 20th century. The movie uncovers how two extremely famous men became famous for being scammers. This film is overall about the art form of deception in real life and in film.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Apr 29 2015 4:08AM) : yes, and perhaps the film suggests that art cannot disentangle itself from fakery.
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Apr 28 2015 2:18PM) : F for Fake is a documentary film about fraud and fakery told over six stories (each one having a different character) which coves fraud, charlatans, fraudsters and conartists as well as the making of the film itself and
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Apr 29 2015 4:08AM) : and?
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Daniel Kvist Daniel Kvist (Apr 29 2015 8:54AM) : Reply more

F for Fake is a documentary on the topic of trickery. Much of the film is in fact drawn from other sources, most notably an unfinished documentary by Francois Reichenbach on the notorious Elmyr de Hory, whose extremely skillful fakery of famous paintings caused scandals amongst art collectors and experts.

In an additional bit of irony, de Hory’s interviewer is author Clifford Irving, who became infamous due to a forgery of his own: a falsified autobiography of Howard Hughes. Welles openly re-edits and manipulates this footage, using it as a spine for his own commentary, arguing that there is an extremely close relationship between art and lying, and citing instances from his own career to prove the point. Through a combination of documentary and staged footage, Welles attempts to illustrate the artifice behind all filmmaking, even that of a supposedly non-fiction variety.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:48AM) : Oscar Wilde said art is a lie that tells the truth.
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Alison Ng Alison Ng (Apr 29 2015 7:24PM) : Reply more

I think F for Fake is explores (but doesn’t really explain) the blurred line between fiction and truth. It does so by weaving together different stories, some of which are real and some of which are made up.

One story in the film is about Elmyr de Hory, a man who forged art paintings (this story is real). He deceived others by tricking them into thinking his paintings were painted by famous artists. But an argument presented in the film asks: is forgery art?

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:48AM) : You can think of the film as a demonstration rather than the presentation and conclusion of an argument.
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Apr 29 2015 8:45PM) : F for Fake is a film that tricks its audience and then tells them why, and why it all matters. What is real and what is fake using visually tricky imagery. [Edited] more

The film diverts your standing opinion on the subject to get your attention, tell you a story, make you question what you heard, and go home questioning your original ideas. It succeeds in tricking you, in a way that most fiction can not separate from being fake to what is really real life.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:49AM) : Yes, the film says film is always blurring the line between reality and make-believe.
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Michelle Macauda Michelle Macauda (Apr 30 2015 2:51PM) : F is For Fake is about how Welles' take on filmmaking is as a form of trickery and fakery. He does this by editing different parts of other documentary footage on a famous forger Elmyr de Hor. more

F is For Fake is about how Welles’ take on filmmaking is as a form of trickery and fakery. He does this by editing different parts of other documentary footage on a famous forger Elmyr de Hor. He interviewed with Irving. De Hory claimed that he never painted a picture by a famous artist, that he offered to a museum, that they didn’t buy, and Irving was advanced $800,000 thousand dollars for an autobiography of the reclusive Howard Hughes which was completely false. Welles begins F for Fake by performing several magic tricks. H claims that filmmaking is prestidigitation and tricks the viewer into seeing something that the viewer willfully accepts.This is how Welles’ plays a trick on the viewer to believe what is being shown in the film.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:50AM) : Seeing may be believing, but that doesn't mean that what is seen is true or real.
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Evie Horn Evie Horn (Apr 30 2015 3:11PM) : F for Fake is, in my opinion, about how people value a name, or a signature, and how much it actually matters. more

Like Canby says ‘if it is a take, it’s a marvelous one, and to hell with the signature on it’. Yes, on the surface the film is about a hand full of men who make money by forging famous paintings, but it’s also a commentary on the people who care about those paintings. It’s amazing to me how easy it is for these men to fake famous paintings, and how easily people will buy into it. If you put one real and one fake Picasso in front of most people, they would probably never be able to tell you which was which. This movie begs the questions, why do people care so much about a signature, but even more, why is it so easy to trick them?

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:51AM) : Perhaps the originality of art is as much in the conception as it is in the execution.
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Eva Evans Eva Evans (Apr 30 2015 5:50PM) : F for Fake explores the ridiculousness of how art is received, authenticated, and judged. more

The film, through a sort of embodiment-method (as in, the film itself becomes its subject), is a piece of art itself and the manner in which it is received (scrutinized by critics, taken not at face-value but dissected in order to discover the secret of its conception to determine its artistic value) mimics the way that the art world receives artwork.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:52AM) : So perhaps the film is also an attack on critics.
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Eva Evans Eva Evans (May 03 2015 3:29PM) : Both critics and the expectation of (and viewers' reliance on) critique.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 04 2015 3:35AM) : Yes
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Hui Maggie Su Hui Maggie Su (Apr 30 2015 6:04PM) : It's about tricking the audience with fake stories while letting them know that art (film) are always somehow fake. Also, people are enjoying to be fooled and still willing to get fooled.
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Gil Vazquez Gil Vazquez (May 01 2015 4:45AM) : "reality show" more

It is similar to “reality” shows. Most of these are scripted and nothing close to reality yet people are willing to get fooled by the shows as if it is reality but it’s far from it.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:52AM) : Film has also sort of built controls in terms of editing, directing, and so on.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 02 2015 6:16AM) : But the difference is the reality shows don't show the process of creating their "reality," or do they? I don't watch many reality shows.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:52AM) : Yes, when it comes to film we are all suckers.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 04 2015 3:35AM) : Right
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (May 01 2015 8:45AM) : F for Fake is a research on whether there is or there should be a distinction between real and fake in arts. more

Orson Welles is giving credits to forgery artists and introduce their artistic values to audiences. Reality is transient, so original art pieces are forgeries of reality. The separation of real (original) and fake can be unnecessary sometimes.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:53AM) : What is art, what is not, can be a difficult proposition.
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (May 01 2015 11:06AM) : It's about how deceitful and tricky people can be while at the same time creating art and making people intrigued in what they are doing. more

They are lying and cheating, but making ends meet by doing just that. People make history by doing something creative, interesting, different, and being smart about it.

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Student Michelle Gontar Student Michelle Gontar (May 01 2015 2:19PM) : F is for Fake is a film about famous fakers and scandalous fraudulent stars who are recognized while simultaneously playing out a plot about the movies own discreditably which is openly stated from the opening scene.
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Mr. Welles, who has been the subject of a lot of such expertise and takes a dim view of it, has a grand time with the film's final. This is the fanciful story of how Picasso was tricked by a ravishing Hungarian model, whose grandfather, an art forger, confesses on his deathbed to a furious Picasso that his dearest desire has always been to create "an entirely new Picasso period."

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I have some minor reservations about "F for Fake." I don't share Mr. Welles's affection for either Mr. de Hory or Mr. Irving. Unlike the generous Mr. Welles, they are small potatoes. When Mr. Welles asks, "Doesn't it say something about our time that Cliff [Irving] could only make it through trickery?," my answer is no. It says more about Mr. Irving, who as far as I can tell, hasn't made it at all.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 19 2015 4:09AM) : Why is Welles so interested in Clifford Irving, and why doesn't the reviewer share Welles's enthusiasm?
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Welles is interesting in Irving because they share the same interests, which is trickery. Welles is documenting a film on trickery, and Irving wrote a documentary called “Fake” on De Hory in Ibiza. I think that the reviewer is not as enthusiastic about Irving as Welles because they are less important to him than Welles. This is clearly expressed as Canby refers to him as a small potato.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Apr 29 2015 4:09AM) : Right
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Charles Parietti Charles Parietti (Apr 28 2015 2:21PM) : Welles is interested in Irving because they both used trickery in their films and he wants to compare himself to Irving as well as Mr. de Hory. The reviewer is not as interested in the two of them because as he states "they are small potatoes," more

so his only concern is with Welles with whom his review is about.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Apr 29 2015 4:09AM) : yes
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Daniel Figueroa Daniel Figueroa (Apr 29 2015 8:56PM) : Welles is so interested in Clifford Irving because they share a skill, being deceitful. more

Canby calling Mr. Irving “small potatoes” because Irving is insignificant of making it big time ccompare to Welles.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:54AM) : Compared to Welles, yes, and yet Irving's story made him famous.
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Michelle Macauda Michelle Macauda (Apr 30 2015 2:59PM) : Welles is interested in Irving because they share them same interest in trickery. more

Welles is interested in Irving because they share them same interest in trickery. Welles trickery is in how he edits and composes his documentary films to trick and convince the audience. Irving as well has created documentary films to about how fake De Hory is. The reviewer isn’t interested in the two of them because he only writes about his main interest, which is Welles.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:55AM) : Irving wrote about a real person, and yet when Irving wrote was not authentic because of his claims to know Hughes.
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Eva Evans Eva Evans (Apr 30 2015 5:51PM) : The reviewer sees Irving as talentless, rather than ingenious.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:56AM) : Yes, the reviewer does. What about Welles?
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Hui Maggie Su Hui Maggie Su (Apr 30 2015 6:15PM) : Welles is interested in Irving because they are both experts in tricking their audiences in their works. The reviewer is not interested in Irving because he is not the subject that he's reviewing.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:56AM) : Not sure. Isn't Irving part of the film's subject matter?
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Jing Zhang Jing Zhang (May 01 2015 8:50AM) : Welles is interested in Irving because Irving inspired his curiosity on fakery. Welles sees values from Irving's fake work and makes F for Fake to continue Irving's ideas. [Edited] more

The reviewer seems to disrespect the notion of fakery and considers trickery as more inferior than the real.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:57AM) : I'm not sure Irving is the inspiration. Isn't Irving simply part of what intrigued Welles?
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Student Michelle Gontar Student Michelle Gontar (May 01 2015 2:24PM) : The reviewer is clearly not too enthusiastic about Irving because he doesnt see him as being on the same level of trickery as his main interest in the film, Welles. And Welles finds Irving to be compatible in their sense of being fakers which is a bond.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 02 2015 6:17AM) : I disagree with the reviewere about Irving, who was, I think, a world class faker.
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Gil Vazquez Gil Vazquez (May 01 2015 4:42AM) : tartuffe more

This reminds me of the character Tartuffe in the play.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (May 01 2015 10:57AM) : Literature is filled with pretenders.
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Student Michelle Gontar Student Michelle Gontar (May 01 2015 2:25PM) : Tartuffe was never open about his trickery however and was very closed off about it entirely, though he did eventually get caught and have to face the consequences of his act as the people in the film did such as Irving.
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