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Moby Dick
Herman Melville
2 Call me Ishmael. Some years ago--never mind how long precisely--having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world. It is a way I have of driving off the spleen and regulating the circulation. Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people's hats off--then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship. There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me
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Ishmael says he has no money or anything that’s keeping him to live on land. I suspect the subtext here has to do with Ishmael battling depression. Lack of money is an excuse to sail and his little interest to what’s “on shore” has to do with his little interest to live. This is supported by the following sentence with him pausing at coffin warehouses and his soul feels damp and cold.
Going to sea is a second chance at living for him, maybe.
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I would say suicide is strong suggested throughout lines such as, “whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet.”
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I agree with Nia, he makes his feelings towards life on land very apparent.
Ishmael need to go to sea because he seems to be sick of himself and/or society. He sounds like he is really bored with himself and prefers to die, by the way that he mentions coffin warehouses and funerals.
The sea is is escape plan from society where all there is is him and nature.
At first, I thought Ishmael wanted to go to sea because he got bored with his surroundings and wanted an adventure. He says that nothing is holding his interest on shore; I interpret that there is no place, person or thing keeping him from leaving. Essentially, he has nothing (no one to care about, nothing he cares about) and is looking for something (even though we don’t know what it is yet).
As I read further, I realized that he needed to get off land to escape. He details depression, or a lack of wanting to live, as his reason to venture out to sea.
I agree with those who say that depression is the underlying reason for escaping to the sea. He describes ‘a damp, drizzly November in my soul’ which I think directly attributes depression with a longing to go to sea.
He drops a few points that convey that he’s depressed, such as “whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet” and “that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street.” He’s either undergoing some kind of self-loathing or extreme depression that makes him not want to exist on land anymore.
Seems like his state of mind is that he is sick of land life, as he says “nothing particular to interest me on shore” Then, as the others have pointed out, this, and the fact that he has no money, is why he goes out to sea.
I like that you said substitute for fulfillment. It reminds me that it’s not only his substitute for doing bad things, but those bad things make him feel good and he knows that.
It is his substitute for pistol and ball. It is he alternative to lashing out at the people in the streets because of the darkness he feels in his soul. It is his escape.
Ishmael perhaps is just fed up. No longer interested in working, making ends meet or the common struggles people face “on land,” Ishmael wants to renew himself. With no reason to stay and feeling sick, tired, and depressed, there’s no better place for him but at sea. It’s where he gets to dump his burdens and find some peace.
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I feel like Ishmael has a lot dealing with and needs to get away. He seems to have a lot on his mind and have to find a way to be at peace or else something more dangerous may happen to him.
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The state of mind that drives Ishmael off land is his depression, Ishmael is tired of working and struggling to the point that he is suicidal. Even on land he can’t escape those feelings and he probably believes that venturing off to sea would be the best way for him to live. Ishmael see’s that going out to sea is the best way for him to escape living.
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In the story, Ishmael says he has no particular ties to the land. He seems to turn to the sea whenever he is “grim,” or has a “damp, drizzly November in [his] soul”. The sea seems to be the only place that can soothe him and bring happiness to his life, as opposed to a “pistol and ball.”
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A timeless tale of man and sea, i feel like people today might have a hard time resonating with this because people are so attached to their technology on land.
Land vs sea is such an interesting dichotomy. Ishmael’s experience on land is a dry one. There’s no excitement and things to keep him interested. The stagnation of his life on land makes him depressed because he realizes that there is no place to venture or explore. Everything is so routine. However, on the sea, nothing is predictable. Change is fluid and the unknown nature of the sea excites Ishmael. This adventure helps pull Ishmael out of his misery and into a new world of possibilities.
Ishmael had to escape his surroundings. Melville’s descriptions put the reader into Ishmael’s gloomy, bleak perspective. He is depressed and desperate for change, desiring to sail out into the vast sea. Sailing a ship is his only way out, in constant motion, never stagnant or complacent.
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Well Ishmael’s life wasn’t so great. The wife of his father, Sarah, despised Hagar and Ishmael. Sarah demanded Abraham that Hagar and Ishmael would be sent away. Ishmael’s life sounds like it was set up to be miserable, but the biblical story of Ishmael goes on to say that God remained with him as he grew up. Ishmael’s daughter marries Esau who steals Jacob’s inheritance.
So maybe the connection here is that the narrator, declaring his name Ishmael, comes from a dysfunctional background. Life was never easy or smooth for him. He’s leaving his family because maybe someone doesn’t want him around. He’ll start over by going to sea, whether he knows it or not. He’s always been “second best” compared to a sibling just as biblical Ishmael had been.
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I read Milton’s “Paradise Lost” my freshman year at Baruch. Great narrative. I’m pretty familiar with the bible as well so to note its similarities was quite interesting. I still have the copy if anyone’s interested in borrowing.
I read Moby Dick as well, the same semester I read Paradise Lost. It was a while back so I don’t remember the exact correlation. But my assumption would be that the sea is Ishmael’s paradise and by the end of the story, he looses it, just like Satan lost his Paradise (heaven) in Milton’s narrative.
Some stories contain information where you have to go fish for outside context. I don’t think you’re “expected” to know per se, but it probably helps to give meaning to the story, of course.
By formally introducing himself to the reader in the opening lines, we are instantly told this will be a first-person account of Ishmael’s. It may not be the absolute truth, but will be what the narrator believes is the truth.
Ishmael is the first person narrator.
In the Bible, Ishmael is the son of Abraham and Hagar. Hagar is the servant of Abraham’s wife Sarah. Ishmael and Hagar were banished to the desert at Sarah’s request. Although Ishmael’s life was full of strife in the beginning, Ishmael ends up having a decent life and many sons. His sons go on to become leaders and continue the family tree.
I think this story is going to be about a man who will go on a journey and find meaning in life, even though he has had an unfortunate path. I expect the character to go through hardships, but learn from them and prosper. I also think there would be a happy (or some-what happy) ending.
I don’t know much about Ishmael in the bible context, but I do know that the bible is technically a story of some ever-long journey, so I would expect that his name is actually not Ishmael, and he is creating a persona. Secondly, he will go through some kind of journey at sea, whether he survives or not is still questionable to the reader.
A unreliable and informal story. If you want me to call you Ishmael, then that right away makes me doubt what your real name is and makes things seem informal.
He wants people to understand his story better by associating him with a well-known figure in most peoples lives.
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Ishmael and his mother Hagar were exiled, wondering in the desert, slowly dying from thirst and hunger. Though in their desperation, God always provided, making sure they lived and equipping them with water.
It’s clear the narrator is not only stripped of everything but like Ishmael from the Bible, he is thirsty and aching for life outside the dry land. Being at sea would be like heaven, he’ll thirst no more.
I feel like a personal story is what I will read from Ishmael. Or maybe the name ‘Ishmael’ represents a character or some other figure who Ishmael in this story is trying to bring alive again.
By calling himself Ishmael the narrator is doing two things; one being informal, and two he is creating a biblical reference to a person that he identifies with the most from the bible, Ishmael. So by calling himself Ishmael the narrator is referring to himself as a biblical character in the Book of Genesis. The narrator seems will be paralleling his own story to that of Ismael’s in the Bible, referencing his suffering and his survival.
Ishmael is the name of Abraham’s son according to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Melville’s character, like the religious figure, spends much time in the wilderness exploring and trying to find himself. This resonates well with Melville’s character, hence he asks to be called “Ishmael.” With that being said the kind of story I can anticipate is that of an epic one, as Ishmael’s was in the religious tales. A story of loss, obsession, delusions of grandeur, and finding oneself.
When we were going over our writing samples in class the other day, Professor Rollyson kept telling a lot of us to “show, not tell.” I think this is a perfect example of that – the reader is able to conclude he is depressed through the author’s description.
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Instead of having Ishmael tell us who he is like, “I’m a survivor” or “I’m depressed,” Melville is giving us imagery, memories, metaphors to interpret who he is on our own.
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There would be no story telling if Ishmael killed himself, obviously.
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It is alluding to suicide yes, but instead of committing a literal suicide, it seems Ishmael has condemned himself to another type of death on land, and the only escape seems to be the sea.
The word suicide wouldn’t be enough to put us into Ishmael’s mindset but the direct descriptions are effective and relatable to the reader. Ishmael is weary, bound up on land. He wants to live but he can’t go on in his current condition. The sentence,“This is my substitute for pistol and ball,” shows the reader the severity of Ishmael’s situation. He simply gets on a ship to save himself. The sea is his release, his reason to live.
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it is important to illustrate this point through literary techniques.
Cato killed himself, so when Ishmael escapes out to sea, he’s running away from land. But, this might be a foreshadowing way of saying that he’s going to die at sea.
Cato the Younger was known for disagreeing with Caesar and killed himself because he did not want to live by Caesar’s rules/power. As Cato escaped his environment by killing himself, Ishmael escapes his environment on land by escaping to sea.
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I understand the relationship made between suicide and escaping to the sea. Does this mean Ismael has no intention of returning? Or is he leaving his fate into the hands of the sea?
Similiar to the association with Ishmael, he wants people to draw a clear conclusion of what he is feeling, but also how he distinguishes from it.
I’m wondering if Cato represents another side of the character in the story.
Melville references Cato because Cato committed suicide by throwing himself on to his own sword ending his life violently. Cato’s gruesome demise contrasts Ishmael’s suicide because Ishmael quietly takes the ship anticipating his death by the sea, whereas Cato’s death was dramatic.
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What he is saying here is that some time or another almost all of these men have felt alone, and view the water as a place of serenity.
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“Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.” The quote is by Henry David Thoreau.
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The excerpt seems to be influenced by the transcendental movement of Melville’s time. The narrator is finding refuge in nature, finding a place that is calming—escaping the pressures and concerns of society.
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I think one feeling is comfort, although I don’t think he knows exactly what feeling he is talking about either at this point in the story. The ocean is water and water is the base for all life. Ishmael is suicidal and has wanted death; water is life and symbolizes his will to live and appreciation for all things living.
I think the feeling that he’s mentioning is the feeling of unity and a meaningful connection to something in this life.
Ishmael claims that, at certain times, all men cherish the feeling of danger.
The sea takes Ishmael away from his life on land which we are told is a safe, albeit fruitless one in the second sentence. He references not the actual act of suicide by Cato, but it’s philosophical flourish, meaning he sees the sea as a way to escape a disagreeable society.
While the sea may ultimately end up being the sword he throws himself upon, right now its risks are worth taking to Ishmael. The dangers at sea, and the loneliness it causes are something he cherishes because they are different from the norm.
If men knew how to find a place where they could escape the animalistics of losing control, or killing or dying, then maybe many people or parts of the world would be better off.
Ishmael here finds solace and a reason to continue living just by finding a place to keep calm. He may want to advise all men to find the same since many men do not take those things too seriously.
Water is addressed in the bible nearly one thousand times. Water is essential to living, it also symbolizes growth, refreshment, and irrigation. If the men knew what being out at sea really meant, having a renewed life, they would all come to appreciate it.
Feelings of wanting to be in the company of others. Not wanting to ever be alone.
I think that Ishmael is mentioning this because he feels that he’s been longing for unity and solidarity with that is meaningful to his existence in life.
The feeling of being free is one all of mankind strives for, not just men. Liberation, freedom, clarity, these are all feelings that man seeks, and according to Ishmael, this can be obtained on the sea.
In an ocean of noise
I first heard your voice
Ringing like a bell
As if I had a choice, oh well.
This is from a song by Arcade Fire. I believe that the ocean plays significant role for people who have lost something or can’t find what they’re looking for. The vastness of ocean seems to hide an answer. While its beauty and ever-changing “mood” comforts the souls of artists of any kind.
I was impressed at how much information this short excerpt gives us. Like my classmates pointed out there is so much that has been introduced to the reader. I am impressed at how all of this happened in just what? A few hundred words? The ideas of suicide, depression and so on.
I completely agree. Writing like this gives me life. There’s so many layers to unfold that it truly requires a few re readings for you to grasp everything that was written. I read Moby Dick during my freshman year here at Baruch and there’s still some things that I didn’t catch on to. Plan on rereading it sometime soon and I recommend you read this, if you haven’t already! Great themes and motifs and overall impressive writing!
Contained into one paragraph, Ishmael expresses loss, having nothing to live for on land, depression by wanting to step into the street, and then hope. Even with all the baggage and jumbled up emotions Ishmael feels, there is hope brought in by the sea. Whether he means it in a biblical sense of wanting to become spiritually fulfilled and renewed or escaping his problems on board, Melville allows us to form our own idea of what hope means to Ishmael.
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