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2 Call me Ishmael. Some years ago--never mind how long precisely--having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world. It is a way I have of driving off the spleen and regulating the circulation. Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people's hats off--then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship. There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 19 2015 3:45PM) : Why does Ishmael need to go to sea? What state of mind drives him off land?
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Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco (Feb 15 2015 8:49AM) : Depression

Ishmael says he has no money or anything that’s keeping him to live on land. I suspect the subtext here has to do with Ishmael battling depression. Lack of money is an excuse to sail and his little interest to what’s “on shore” has to do with his little interest to live. This is supported by the following sentence with him pausing at coffin warehouses and his soul feels damp and cold.

Going to sea is a second chance at living for him, maybe.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 16 2015 6:29AM) : Depression verging on suicidal thoughts are hinted at.
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Jona Jaupi Jona Jaupi (Mar 06 2015 7:58PM) : Suicide

I would say suicide is strong suggested throughout lines such as, “whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet.”

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Nia Bolling Nia Bolling (Mar 27 2015 10:45PM) : I definitely agree he's hinting at suicidal thoughts. He sees no value in staying on land so he escapes to the "sea of life" to find meaning.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 28 2015 10:56AM) : He's desperate, although he tries to be somewhat lighthearted about it.
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Jona Jaupi Jona Jaupi (May 15 2015 11:33AM) : agreed.

I agree with Nia, he makes his feelings towards life on land very apparent.

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Julissa Soriano Julissa Soriano (Feb 26 2015 4:37PM) : reply

Ishmael need to go to sea because he seems to be sick of himself and/or society. He sounds like he is really bored with himself and prefers to die, by the way that he mentions coffin warehouses and funerals.

The sea is is escape plan from society where all there is is him and nature.

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Alison Ng Alison Ng (Mar 01 2015 4:08PM) : Reply

At first, I thought Ishmael wanted to go to sea because he got bored with his surroundings and wanted an adventure. He says that nothing is holding his interest on shore; I interpret that there is no place, person or thing keeping him from leaving. Essentially, he has nothing (no one to care about, nothing he cares about) and is looking for something (even though we don’t know what it is yet).

As I read further, I realized that he needed to get off land to escape. He details depression, or a lack of wanting to live, as his reason to venture out to sea.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 02 2015 7:52AM) : Yes, much more than boredom is involved.
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Philip Segal Philip Segal (Mar 02 2015 5:55PM) : reply

I agree with those who say that depression is the underlying reason for escaping to the sea. He describes ‘a damp, drizzly November in my soul’ which I think directly attributes depression with a longing to go to sea.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 03 2015 6:19AM) : What does Melville accomplish by referring to the weather?
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Sean Reeder Sean Reeder (Mar 04 2015 11:39AM) : To me, it feels as though Ishmael is looking for meaning in life. He feels purposeless and as someone else said, bored. The sea might not have the answers he seeks, but at least it gives him solace.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 05 2015 5:46AM) : That's a good way to put it. He is looking for meaning.
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Yasmin Noor Yasmin Noor (Mar 05 2015 10:33AM) : Depressed

He drops a few points that convey that he’s depressed, such as “whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet” and “that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street.” He’s either undergoing some kind of self-loathing or extreme depression that makes him not want to exist on land anymore.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 06 2015 7:20AM) : Self-loathing, perhaps.
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Arif Bacchus Arif Bacchus (Mar 05 2015 12:20PM) : Why he Sails

Seems like his state of mind is that he is sick of land life, as he says “nothing particular to interest me on shore” Then, as the others have pointed out, this, and the fact that he has no money, is why he goes out to sea.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 06 2015 7:21AM) : He has lost his sense of direction on land.
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Stephen Herman Stephen Herman (Mar 06 2015 9:44AM) : Ishmeal needs to go to the sea to keep is sanity and to distract him from the fact that he will die one day. It seem the sea is his way to deal with frustration and keep him civil. Already we see him using it a substitution for fulfillment.
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (Mar 06 2015 11:24AM) : I agree

I like that you said substitute for fulfillment. It reminds me that it’s not only his substitute for doing bad things, but those bad things make him feel good and he knows that.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:33AM) : I'm not sure I know what you mean about doing "bad things."
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:33AM) : Good point about frustration. Get the spelling of the character's name right.
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (Mar 06 2015 11:22AM) : Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul

It is his substitute for pistol and ball. It is he alternative to lashing out at the people in the streets because of the darkness he feels in his soul. It is his escape.

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Jailain Hollon Jailain Hollon (Mar 06 2015 5:51PM) : You make an interesting point about Ishmael's alternative to lashing out at people because of his depression and his darker emotions. I think this is an example of his passive behavior, in the sense that he can't act on those darker emotions.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:35AM) : And he will meet a character who does act out his darker emotions: Captain Ahab.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:34AM) : Ah, here are the bad things.
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Vony Andriamanantena Vony Andriamanantena (Mar 06 2015 11:24AM) : A piece of peace [Edited]

Ishmael perhaps is just fed up. No longer interested in working, making ends meet or the common struggles people face “on land,” Ishmael wants to renew himself. With no reason to stay and feeling sick, tired, and depressed, there’s no better place for him but at sea. It’s where he gets to dump his burdens and find some peace.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:36AM) : The irony that Melville is setting up is that Ishmael will soon find himself in the company of a monomaniacal sea captain.
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Sophia Williams Sophia Williams (Mar 06 2015 4:16PM) : Ishmael

I feel like Ishmael has a lot dealing with and needs to get away. He seems to have a lot on his mind and have to find a way to be at peace or else something more dangerous may happen to him.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:36AM) : Ishmael is perhaps wishing to simplify his life by going to sea. The irony is that seagoing is going to complicate his life.
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Jailain Hollon Jailain Hollon (Mar 06 2015 4:50PM) : Ishmael's state of mind [Edited]

The state of mind that drives Ishmael off land is his depression, Ishmael is tired of working and struggling to the point that he is suicidal. Even on land he can’t escape those feelings and he probably believes that venturing off to sea would be the best way for him to live. Ishmael see’s that going out to sea is the best way for him to escape living.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:37AM) : The irony is that now he is going to become part of Captain Ahab suicidal attempt to kill the whale Moby Dick.
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Jona Jaupi Jona Jaupi (Mar 06 2015 7:56PM) : Sea-driven

In the story, Ishmael says he has no particular ties to the land. He seems to turn to the sea whenever he is “grim,” or has a “damp, drizzly November in [his] soul”. The sea seems to be the only place that can soothe him and bring happiness to his life, as opposed to a “pistol and ball.”

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:37AM) : So the sea, Ishmael hopes, will set him free.
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Jona Jaupi Jona Jaupi (May 15 2015 11:34AM) : weird

A timeless tale of man and sea, i feel like people today might have a hard time resonating with this because people are so attached to their technology on land.

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Nia Bolling Nia Bolling (Mar 28 2015 1:22AM) : Land vs. Sea [Edited]

Land vs sea is such an interesting dichotomy. Ishmael’s experience on land is a dry one. There’s no excitement and things to keep him interested. The stagnation of his life on land makes him depressed because he realizes that there is no place to venture or explore. Everything is so routine. However, on the sea, nothing is predictable. Change is fluid and the unknown nature of the sea excites Ishmael. This adventure helps pull Ishmael out of his misery and into a new world of possibilities.

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Dustin Coker Dustin Coker (Mar 06 2015 3:07AM) : A dark state.

Ishmael had to escape his surroundings. Melville’s descriptions put the reader into Ishmael’s gloomy, bleak perspective. He is depressed and desperate for change, desiring to sail out into the vast sea. Sailing a ship is his only way out, in constant motion, never stagnant or complacent.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 06 2015 7:21AM) : Escape, yes.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 19 2015 3:44PM) : What kind of story can you expect from a narrator who wants you to call him Ishmael?
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Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco (Feb 15 2015 8:51AM) : Ishmael probably isn't his real name. There's secrecy already from him to the reader. There will be a limited perspective to the story.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 16 2015 6:30AM) : Who is Ishmael? Look it up.
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Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco (Feb 16 2015 7:44AM) : Ishmael is Abraham's son of the Bible. His mother, Hagar, was a slave. I wasn't sure if that was the connection here.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 17 2015 9:31AM) : Of course there is a connection. What is it?
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Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco (Feb 17 2015 5:58PM) : Ishmael

Well Ishmael’s life wasn’t so great. The wife of his father, Sarah, despised Hagar and Ishmael. Sarah demanded Abraham that Hagar and Ishmael would be sent away. Ishmael’s life sounds like it was set up to be miserable, but the biblical story of Ishmael goes on to say that God remained with him as he grew up. Ishmael’s daughter marries Esau who steals Jacob’s inheritance.

So maybe the connection here is that the narrator, declaring his name Ishmael, comes from a dysfunctional background. Life was never easy or smooth for him. He’s leaving his family because maybe someone doesn’t want him around. He’ll start over by going to sea, whether he knows it or not. He’s always been “second best” compared to a sibling just as biblical Ishmael had been.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 18 2015 6:46AM) : Like the Ishmael of the Bible, Melville's characer is an exile, journeying without family or ties to the society on land. He is a loner. Melville was deeply read in the Bible and Shakespeare. To understand him requires deep reading in Milton also.
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Philip Segal Philip Segal (Mar 02 2015 6:11PM) : Are readers supposed to know who Milton was, and his passion for Shakespeare and the Bible? Understanding the context of who Ismael is in the Bible puts the story in a deeper context in the first sentence.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 03 2015 6:21AM) : Anyone who cares about literature knows about Milton. You don't have to know that Melville liked Milton. You can hear Milton in Melville.
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Nia Bolling Nia Bolling (Mar 28 2015 1:28AM) : Milton

I read Milton’s “Paradise Lost” my freshman year at Baruch. Great narrative. I’m pretty familiar with the bible as well so to note its similarities was quite interesting. I still have the copy if anyone’s interested in borrowing.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 28 2015 10:57AM) : Melville's prose is sometimes Miltonic when it is not Shakespearean.
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Nia Bolling Nia Bolling (Mar 28 2015 1:43AM) : Milton, Melville connection

I read Moby Dick as well, the same semester I read Paradise Lost. It was a while back so I don’t remember the exact correlation. But my assumption would be that the sea is Ishmael’s paradise and by the end of the story, he looses it, just like Satan lost his Paradise (heaven) in Milton’s narrative.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 28 2015 10:58AM) : Not paradise exactly, but Ishmael is looking for salvation.
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Yasmin Noor Yasmin Noor (Mar 05 2015 11:30AM) : Agreed.

Some stories contain information where you have to go fish for outside context. I don’t think you’re “expected” to know per se, but it probably helps to give meaning to the story, of course.

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ry gotterbarn ry gotterbarn (Feb 26 2015 4:21PM) : Fist Person Narrative

By formally introducing himself to the reader in the opening lines, we are instantly told this will be a first-person account of Ishmael’s. It may not be the absolute truth, but will be what the narrator believes is the truth.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 27 2015 11:38AM) : I would say the narrator is informal.
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Julissa Soriano Julissa Soriano (Feb 26 2015 4:40PM) : reply

Ishmael is the first person narrator.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 27 2015 11:50AM) : And?
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Alison Ng Alison Ng (Mar 01 2015 4:17PM) : Reply

In the Bible, Ishmael is the son of Abraham and Hagar. Hagar is the servant of Abraham’s wife Sarah. Ishmael and Hagar were banished to the desert at Sarah’s request. Although Ishmael’s life was full of strife in the beginning, Ishmael ends up having a decent life and many sons. His sons go on to become leaders and continue the family tree.

I think this story is going to be about a man who will go on a journey and find meaning in life, even though he has had an unfortunate path. I expect the character to go through hardships, but learn from them and prosper. I also think there would be a happy (or some-what happy) ending.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 02 2015 7:53AM) : That's right. Ishmael suffers but is a survivor.
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Yasmin Noor Yasmin Noor (Mar 05 2015 10:40AM) : A journey

I don’t know much about Ishmael in the bible context, but I do know that the bible is technically a story of some ever-long journey, so I would expect that his name is actually not Ishmael, and he is creating a persona. Secondly, he will go through some kind of journey at sea, whether he survives or not is still questionable to the reader.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 06 2015 7:23AM) : Yes, a persona. Don't know about Ishmael in the Bible? Find out!
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Arif Bacchus Arif Bacchus (Mar 05 2015 12:28PM) : Unreliable Narrator?

A unreliable and informal story. If you want me to call you Ishmael, then that right away makes me doubt what your real name is and makes things seem informal.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 06 2015 7:23AM) : Informal and the narrator is turning himself into a certain kind of character.
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Stephen Herman Stephen Herman (Mar 06 2015 9:48AM) : This first paragraph sets up for Ishmeal about to discover something; possibly himself. It seems he is missing something or needs something and in just a few sentences we feel like he is going to venture into something life changing.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:38AM) : You are right, but you still need to spell the character's name correctly.
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (Mar 06 2015 11:25AM) : He creates a personality and a familiarity

He wants people to understand his story better by associating him with a well-known figure in most peoples lives.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:39AM) : The name he chooses has biblical associations. So what does that tell you about the story Ishmael is about to tell?
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Vony Andriamanantena Vony Andriamanantena (Mar 06 2015 11:50AM) : Water signifies life

Ishmael and his mother Hagar were exiled, wondering in the desert, slowly dying from thirst and hunger. Though in their desperation, God always provided, making sure they lived and equipping them with water.

It’s clear the narrator is not only stripped of everything but like Ishmael from the Bible, he is thirsty and aching for life outside the dry land. Being at sea would be like heaven, he’ll thirst no more.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:39AM) : The sea can signify life and also death.
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Sophia Williams Sophia Williams (Mar 06 2015 4:23PM) : Ishmael's Story

I feel like a personal story is what I will read from Ishmael. Or maybe the name ‘Ishmael’ represents a character or some other figure who Ishmael in this story is trying to bring alive again.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:39AM) : Bring alive in what sense?
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Jailain Hollon Jailain Hollon (Mar 06 2015 5:12PM) : Making a biblical reference.

By calling himself Ishmael the narrator is doing two things; one being informal, and two he is creating a biblical reference to a person that he identifies with the most from the bible, Ishmael. So by calling himself Ishmael the narrator is referring to himself as a biblical character in the Book of Genesis. The narrator seems will be paralleling his own story to that of Ismael’s in the Bible, referencing his suffering and his survival.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:40AM) : That's it: suffering and survival.
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Jona Jaupi Jona Jaupi (Mar 06 2015 7:51PM) : Ishmael [Edited]

Ishmael is the name of Abraham’s son according to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Melville’s character, like the religious figure, spends much time in the wilderness exploring and trying to find himself. This resonates well with Melville’s character, hence he asks to be called “Ishmael.” With that being said the kind of story I can anticipate is that of an epic one, as Ishmael’s was in the religious tales. A story of loss, obsession, delusions of grandeur, and finding oneself.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:40AM) : Ishmael is a wanderer seeking meaning.
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Jona Jaupi Jona Jaupi (May 15 2015 11:35AM) : yup.

Aren’t we all.

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Nia Bolling Nia Bolling (Mar 28 2015 2:40AM) : Based off of the biblical reference, I expect a story about a journey of self-discovery and survival.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 28 2015 10:58AM) : Exactly
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Hmayak (Mike) Aghajanov Hmayak (Mike) Aghajanov (Mar 04 2015 8:33PM) : ha

nice question :)))
I would say a story аbout a pilgrimage.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 06 2015 7:27AM) : Pilgrimage implies a quest.
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Alison Ng Alison Ng (Mar 01 2015 4:37PM) : "Show, not tell."

When we were going over our writing samples in class the other day, Professor Rollyson kept telling a lot of us to “show, not tell.” I think this is a perfect example of that – the reader is able to conclude he is depressed through the author’s description.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 02 2015 7:53AM) : Right
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Vony Andriamanantena Vony Andriamanantena (Mar 06 2015 12:03PM) : Agreed

Instead of having Ishmael tell us who he is like, “I’m a survivor” or “I’m depressed,” Melville is giving us imagery, memories, metaphors to interpret who he is on our own.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:41AM) : Yes.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 19 2015 3:46PM) : Why the reference to Cato?
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Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco (Feb 15 2015 8:55AM) : Cato killed himself. Ishmael wants to kill himself. But instead of a quick death, he is isolating himself on the boat.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 16 2015 6:30AM) : Yes, another way of alluding to suicide without mentioning it. Why isn't the word suicide used?
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Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco (Feb 16 2015 7:44AM) : Saying suicide isn't good. By alluding to it, Melville is "showing not telling."
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 17 2015 9:32AM) : There are other reasons why suicide would not be mentioned.
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Julissa Soriano Julissa Soriano (Feb 26 2015 4:42PM) : reply

There would be no story telling if Ishmael killed himself, obviously.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 27 2015 11:50AM) : YOu've got to do better with these replies. Why does the subject of suicide come up?
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Jona Jaupi Jona Jaupi (Mar 06 2015 8:03PM) : suicide

It is alluding to suicide yes, but instead of committing a literal suicide, it seems Ishmael has condemned himself to another type of death on land, and the only escape seems to be the sea.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:41AM) : Correct
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Dustin Coker Dustin Coker (Mar 06 2015 2:36PM) : "pistol and ball"

The word suicide wouldn’t be enough to put us into Ishmael’s mindset but the direct descriptions are effective and relatable to the reader. Ishmael is weary, bound up on land. He wants to live but he can’t go on in his current condition. The sentence,“This is my substitute for pistol and ball,” shows the reader the severity of Ishmael’s situation. He simply gets on a ship to save himself. The sea is his release, his reason to live.

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Jona Jaupi Jona Jaupi (Mar 06 2015 8:04PM) : Agree

I agree with you. Read my comment above!

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:42AM) : He is a desperate man, but just saying tht would not have much impact on the reader.
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Jona Jaupi Jona Jaupi (May 15 2015 11:37AM) : yes.

it is important to illustrate this point through literary techniques.

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Yasmin Noor Yasmin Noor (Mar 05 2015 11:08AM) : Suicide hint.

Cato killed himself, so when Ishmael escapes out to sea, he’s running away from land. But, this might be a foreshadowing way of saying that he’s going to die at sea.

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Jailain Hollon Jailain Hollon (Mar 06 2015 5:45PM) : Even though I agree that he's foreshadowing his death at sea, I don't think that's the only reference he's making. I think that Ishmael is contrasting the violent suicide of Cato to his passive way of committing suicide.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:43AM) : Very good point. Ishmael is passive, a narrator, not the principal character in the story.
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Alison Ng Alison Ng (Mar 01 2015 4:22PM) : Reply

Cato the Younger was known for disagreeing with Caesar and killed himself because he did not want to live by Caesar’s rules/power. As Cato escaped his environment by killing himself, Ishmael escapes his environment on land by escaping to sea.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 02 2015 7:54AM) : Yes
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Philip Segal Philip Segal (Mar 02 2015 6:32PM) : Question

I understand the relationship made between suicide and escaping to the sea. Does this mean Ismael has no intention of returning? Or is he leaving his fate into the hands of the sea?

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 03 2015 6:22AM) : Good question that can only be answered by reading the novel.
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (Mar 06 2015 11:29AM) : He is clearly influenced by major historical figures

Similiar to the association with Ishmael, he wants people to draw a clear conclusion of what he is feeling, but also how he distinguishes from it.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:43AM) : He refers to?
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Sophia Williams Sophia Williams (Mar 06 2015 4:32PM) : Cato

I’m wondering if Cato represents another side of the character in the story.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:43AM) : Yes, Cato does.
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Jailain Hollon Jailain Hollon (Mar 06 2015 5:40PM) : A quiet suicide reference.

Melville references Cato because Cato committed suicide by throwing himself on to his own sword ending his life violently. Cato’s gruesome demise contrasts Ishmael’s suicide because Ishmael quietly takes the ship anticipating his death by the sea, whereas Cato’s death was dramatic.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:44AM) : And thre will be that kind of dramatic death in the novel.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Jan 19 2015 3:47PM) : What are those feelings that all men cherish whether they know it or not?
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Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco (Feb 15 2015 8:56AM) : The ocean is the place to die or be alone.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 16 2015 6:31AM) : Alone in what sense? Ishmael is on a ship with lots of men.
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Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco Hayley Bifulco (Feb 16 2015 7:46AM) : You can still be alone when surrounded by a lot of people. Maybe just alone from what's familiar to him.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 17 2015 9:32AM) : Right. Unfamiliar surroundings.
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Julissa Soriano Julissa Soriano (Feb 26 2015 4:44PM) : reply

What he is saying here is that some time or another almost all of these men have felt alone, and view the water as a place of serenity.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Feb 27 2015 11:51AM) : Most mean lead lives of quiet desperation. Who said that?
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Dustin Coker Dustin Coker (Mar 06 2015 3:23AM) : Thoreau

“Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.” The quote is by Henry David Thoreau.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 06 2015 7:27AM) : Right, and Thoreau was writing during the period Mellville was active.
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Dustin Coker Dustin Coker (Mar 06 2015 3:38PM) : transcendentalism

The excerpt seems to be influenced by the transcendental movement of Melville’s time. The narrator is finding refuge in nature, finding a place that is calming—escaping the pressures and concerns of society.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:45AM) : Good point. But nature in Melville can be malevolent--not a part of nature that transcendentalists recognized.
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Alison Ng Alison Ng (Mar 01 2015 4:34PM) : Reply

I think one feeling is comfort, although I don’t think he knows exactly what feeling he is talking about either at this point in the story. The ocean is water and water is the base for all life. Ishmael is suicidal and has wanted death; water is life and symbolizes his will to live and appreciation for all things living.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 02 2015 7:55AM) : Yes, Ishmael is struggling to live and to find meaning and purpose.
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Yasmin Noor Yasmin Noor (Mar 05 2015 11:15AM) : Oneness.

I think the feeling that he’s mentioning is the feeling of unity and a meaningful connection to something in this life.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 06 2015 7:24AM) : Yes, longing for a sense of connection.
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ry gotterbarn ry gotterbarn (Mar 05 2015 4:33PM) : Feelings of danger

Ishmael claims that, at certain times, all men cherish the feeling of danger.

The sea takes Ishmael away from his life on land which we are told is a safe, albeit fruitless one in the second sentence. He references not the actual act of suicide by Cato, but it’s philosophical flourish, meaning he sees the sea as a way to escape a disagreeable society.

While the sea may ultimately end up being the sword he throws himself upon, right now its risks are worth taking to Ishmael. The dangers at sea, and the loneliness it causes are something he cherishes because they are different from the norm.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 06 2015 7:25AM) : He needs to take some sort of risk to make his life have some meaning.
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Stephen Herman Stephen Herman (Mar 06 2015 9:52AM) : These are feelings of emptiness or anger; Men need an outlet for frustration outside of the walls of society so that they don't lose it mentally.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:45AM) : Yes, the sea represents an outlet.
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Annie Paul Annie Paul (Mar 06 2015 11:32AM) : It is his advisory toward men to become better people who are more at peace.

If men knew how to find a place where they could escape the animalistics of losing control, or killing or dying, then maybe many people or parts of the world would be better off.
Ishmael here finds solace and a reason to continue living just by finding a place to keep calm. He may want to advise all men to find the same since many men do not take those things too seriously.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:46AM) : Yes, the novel is about finding a place in the word to be at peace with oneself.
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Vony Andriamanantena Vony Andriamanantena (Mar 06 2015 12:23PM) : What they don't know

Water is addressed in the bible nearly one thousand times. Water is essential to living, it also symbolizes growth, refreshment, and irrigation. If the men knew what being out at sea really meant, having a renewed life, they would all come to appreciate it.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:46AM) : The sea can be a place of both death and rebirth, as Shakepeare suggests in The Tempest.
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Sophia Williams Sophia Williams (Mar 06 2015 4:34PM) : Men

Feelings of wanting to be in the company of others. Not wanting to ever be alone.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:47AM) : Ishmael later calls himself an isolato.
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Jailain Hollon Jailain Hollon (Mar 06 2015 5:20PM) : Solidarity.

I think that Ishmael is mentioning this because he feels that he’s been longing for unity and solidarity with that is meaningful to his existence in life.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:47AM) : On board ship he will be part of a crew.
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Jona Jaupi Jona Jaupi (Mar 06 2015 8:05PM) : Feelings, [Edited]

The feeling of being free is one all of mankind strives for, not just men. Liberation, freedom, clarity, these are all feelings that man seeks, and according to Ishmael, this can be obtained on the sea.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:48AM) : Yes, the sea means a kind of freedom, a release from the imprisonment of the land.
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Hmayak (Mike) Aghajanov Hmayak (Mike) Aghajanov (Mar 04 2015 8:30PM) : ocean of noise [Edited]

In an ocean of noise
I first heard your voice
Ringing like a bell
As if I had a choice, oh well.

This is from a song by Arcade Fire. I believe that the ocean plays significant role for people who have lost something or can’t find what they’re looking for. The vastness of ocean seems to hide an answer. While its beauty and ever-changing “mood” comforts the souls of artists of any kind.

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Florentina Narchet Florentina Narchet (Mar 04 2015 7:51PM) : This gives me a sense that Ishmael escaping from something and I think this feeling is spiritual and one way to find peace is by connecting with mother nature. Ishmael talks about seeing "the watery part of the world" I also sense that Ishmael felt alone.
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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:49AM) : Alone and looking for a new focus in his life.
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Arif Bacchus Arif Bacchus (Mar 05 2015 12:24PM) : Overall

I was impressed at how much information this short excerpt gives us. Like my classmates pointed out there is so much that has been introduced to the reader. I am impressed at how all of this happened in just what? A few hundred words? The ideas of suicide, depression and so on.

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Nia Bolling Nia Bolling (Mar 28 2015 1:55AM) : Agree

I completely agree. Writing like this gives me life. There’s so many layers to unfold that it truly requires a few re readings for you to grasp everything that was written. I read Moby Dick during my freshman year here at Baruch and there’s still some things that I didn’t catch on to. Plan on rereading it sometime soon and I recommend you read this, if you haven’t already! Great themes and motifs and overall impressive writing!

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Vony Andriamanantena Vony Andriamanantena (Mar 06 2015 12:41PM) : Loss and Hope [Edited]

Contained into one paragraph, Ishmael expresses loss, having nothing to live for on land, depression by wanting to step into the street, and then hope. Even with all the baggage and jumbled up emotions Ishmael feels, there is hope brought in by the sea. Whether he means it in a biblical sense of wanting to become spiritually fulfilled and renewed or escaping his problems on board, Melville allows us to form our own idea of what hope means to Ishmael.

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Professor Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2015 8:50AM) : That's right. The opening of the novel is open-ended.
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