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NANOOK OF THE NORTH subtly offers a moral lesson.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 22 2015 10:16AM) : What lesson? Is it subtle?
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Feb 17 2016 9:50AM) : Nanook's lesson [Edited] more

Viewing Nanook of the North today rather than at the time it was created perhaps makes the moral lesson of manipulating small details of a documentary more visible than before. As we spoke of in class, the decision to have Nanook and his people hunt and behave in traditional manors rather than use the guns and other modern technology available to them in order to preserve the natural spectacle that was seeing this way of life for the first time. The way the film tried to captivate the audience was through exposing this unknown culture to the rest of the world, and have modern and familiar technology at use in the film by the natives would take away from the curiosity that brought the audience in.

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Feb 18
Jessica Nieberg Jessica Nieberg (Feb 18 2016 6:05PM) : I agree that small details were manipulated to convey the message of the Eskimo's way of life. more

Furthermore, it is so subtle that if the professor had not showed the photos that didn’t make the cut, I would not have taken into consideration the hardships these people actually face.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:45AM) : what does the film convey that is different from the photographs?
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Mr. Jeremy Fillipp Mr. Jeremy Fillipp (Feb 19 2016 9:26AM) : Film vs. Photographs more

Well I feel that pictures convey something completely different from the film. I felt like the film was presented in a very warm and playful manner. The film made it seem that their lives were not THAT hard. However, when you take a look at the pictures, to me it showed something completely different. Many showed looks of concern and sadness.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 10:18AM) : I would say the film does show their lives as extremely hard, but they seem to overcome all obstacles cheerfully.
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Mija Jimenez Perez Mija Jimenez Perez (Mar 03 2016 8:31PM) : The film conveys as oppose to the photography more

The film conveys an unfamiliar culture of Nanook and his family without much emotions as opposed to what is seen in the photo gallery which conveyed the real struggles that they went through.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:44AM) : good points. manners not manors
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Deja Washington Deja Washington (Feb 19 2016 12:41AM) : Modern civilization is spoiled. more

I believe the message of the documentary film is that modern society could learn alot from eskimos who survive off of very little necessities. The message is subtle because I don’t feel that it is presented in a blunt way. By showing us the eskimos’ travels for food and ignorance to modern technology, Robert Flaherty simply presents images that allows the audience to come that conclusion themselves.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:46AM) : I do not think his presentation is simple.
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Vanessa Ramos Vanessa Ramos (Feb 19 2016 1:08AM) : Moral lesson more

I believe the moral lesson that is taken away from Nanook of the North is best described as the beauty in the struggle to survive in everyday life of a harsh environment. It is subtle because the film maker, Flaherty depicts different scenes that allows the audience to piece together what is happening and form a conclusion. He doesn’t just blatantly come forward with this; you would have to make connections with the different scenes.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:48AM) : very good phrase "beauty in the struggle to survive"
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Tracy Shu Tracy Shu (Feb 19 2016 3:27PM) : Happiness in life is based on perspective more

I believe that the moral lesson of Nanook of the North was that happiness lies on one’s perspective and outlook on life. Even though bad things may happen, with the right perspective and outlook, you can still be content. Given that we’ve grown up in a modern civilization in a first world country (America), our perspectives are a little skewed to be “spoiled.” Thus, if an average American had to live in the conditions that Nanook and his family lived in, their perspective on life might be discontent and struggles. However, with the right perspectives, you can make any way of life enjoyable— as perceived by the smiling faces of Nanook and his family.

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Feb 20
Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 20 2016 8:25AM) : Well put
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Kim Brands Kim Brands (Feb 24 2016 4:06PM) : nostalgia more

I think a moral lesson of Nanook of the North is how you can be happy with almost nothing. The people are portrait very noble, it is almost some sort of nostalgia. As the professor pointed out as an example: we’re not like that anymore. We live in the city.
You can really tell the director wanted to give a certain image (for instance that they didn’t actually hunt with a harpoon any more but he wanted it to look like they did). Flaherty wanted to give the people a certain feeling when looking at this Inuit people.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 26 2016 6:28AM) : Your first sentence says it all.
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Wilde Diaz Wilde Diaz (Feb 25 2016 8:39PM) : Centeralism more

Flaherty pushes forward two lessons through his work. The first and foremost, the moneymaker, the essence of the movie itself. It shows to the consumer Nanook and how it is to be in his environment. That environment had been an environment that restricted any modern technology or ways of life in order to present the culture of Nanook and his people. By his ultimate goal he also lines his documentary with a subtle message. That message is the suspension of reality the consumer under goes as they are able to view the world of nanook as if they were invisible beings in that same location. That is caused by the way Flaherty is able to record his work in a way where himself or no one else is seen and the angels are the same as if your eyes were the camera.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 26 2016 6:29AM) : Consumer is not the best term to use here.
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William Prystup William Prystup (Mar 29 2016 8:46PM) : One with nature more

I believe the moral lesson portrayed in this documentary focuses on the will to live fairly. Everything the Eskimo family does to stay alive is done naturally. Whether it be hunting, traveling, or sleeping. They’d take full advantage of what nature would present to them. Rather than cheating and using modern technology back then to gain easy access to food and shelter, they would be one with nature instead. They had the will to live fairly with nature.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 30 2016 6:47AM) : Is it cheating to use technology? Isn't a tool part of technology, where it is a harpoon or a gun?
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William Prystup William Prystup (Apr 14 2016 11:57AM) : technology more

Perhaps but the way I see it is as long as it’s natural in terms of how it was made it’s in a way natural technology. For example a beaver’s den made for shelter.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Apr 15 2016 7:46AM) : Ok
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Errol Lewis Errol Lewis (May 20 2016 3:24PM) : The lesson is that you must work together to accomplish an overall goal. more

The subtle message is that you can accomplish something with more at your fingertips, but the question is should you?

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Andrew White Andrew White (Feb 19 2016 7:18PM) : Moral lesson more

What I gathered from the film is that you can lose a sense of morality, for the sake of the art. For example, following Nanooks death, the movie could have taken a more honored approach to the film. It could have been a tribute to the life of Nanook but it seemed more like an exploitation of it.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 20 2016 8:26AM) : What is the nature of the exploitation?
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Ms Kindra Cooper Ms Kindra Cooper (May 18 2016 6:56PM) : Human beings can survive anything more

With grit and resilience, human beings can overcome perceived limitations. The film shows how Eskimos were able to eke out a living in environs deemed non-conducive to human survival. And yet Flaherty describes them as “the most cheerful people in the world.” He places great emphasis on their survival techniques: fitting five people into a kayak (including a baby and a dog), using moss to make fuel for a fire, and catching fish in icy water. The musical score that accompanies this footage is upbeat and whimsical, as if Flaherty is marveling not only at the simplicity of their lifestyle but their ability to make do in utterly inhospitable conditions.

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May 19
Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 19 2016 7:24AM) : In this case, Flaherty has nothing to do with the soundtrack.
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (May 20 2016 10:16AM) : Sad more

Which is sad because you would think that the director would have full control of their film.

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Flaherty had apparently mastered—unlike previous documentarists—the “grammar” of film as it had evolved in the fiction film.

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Rich Koos Rich Koos (Feb 19 2016 12:28AM) : Nanook more

Is the “grammar” of a film the “syntax” or the ordering of shots to make a documentary believable or is it the editing of shots to make a more cohesive “sentence” or film? I don’t know that I fully understand this analogy.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:49AM) : the ordering of shots is part of the grammar, yes.
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (May 20 2016 10:16AM) : Syntax more

It’s like the syntax of film.

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NANOOK OF THE NORTH dramatizes a family’s struggle to survive without making the audience feel sorry for them.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 22 2015 10:17AM) : So you don't feel sorry for Nanook and his family? Why not?
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Jessica Nieberg Jessica Nieberg (Feb 12 2016 4:35PM) : I don't feel sorry for Nanook and his family because they are portrayed as not only content, but happy. They are said to be simple people, and with food, clothing and shelter, what more do they need? Once seeing the portraits that were not included in [Edited] more

the film, I was able to see through the acting. Though these people are referred to as “simple,” that doesn’t mean they still don’t face challenges.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2016 7:52AM) : Simple implies less sophistication, in their own terms the Inuit seem quite adept and also thoughtful, judging by the photographs, not the film.
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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (Feb 18 2016 10:12PM) : Also the soundtrack played throughout Nanook of the North during throughout almost the entire movie is generally upbeat, which implies that Flaherty wanted to portray Nanook and his family as "happy"
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:49AM) : right
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Feb 17 2016 9:56AM) : Emotions connected to the film more

The way in which Flaherty portrayed Nanook and his family was in such a way that the audience could not feel sad for them unless some prior knowledge of the portraits or general idea of the Inuit lifestyle would allow them to. The simplistic and perhaps comedic life of Nanook and his family was only the side that Flaherty decided to show, as an audience our first thoughts are of being entertained and amazed at this different culture rather than curiosity at the struggles that come with such lifestyle.

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Joshua Wolfe Joshua Wolfe (Feb 18 2016 9:55PM) : . [Edited] more

Watching the film today it seems apparent that yes Flaherty aimed and was quite successful in making Nanook and his family seem rather happy but despite all of that can you really shake off in the back of your mind that this is what a family and a large number of people had to go through back then just to survive?

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:51AM) : what do they go through?
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:50AM) : simplistic is the wrong word. simple is better. why?
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Patrick Malave Patrick Malave (Feb 18 2016 11:57PM) : Portrayed in a positive light more

Nanook and his family are portrayed throughout the film as a noble and proud family who lived a simple but happy life. The challenges they had to overcome such as finding food were displayed as brave acts that some people in modern times did not have to deal with.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:52AM) : do not
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (Feb 19 2016 12:25AM) : Nanook more

The film presents the characters not as a struggling alaskan family that is roughing it, but as a thriving culture of people that are happy with their environment and know how to get the most from it. They also do not look unhealthy or near death, Nanook and his family are usually either calm or smiling in almost every shot shown to us. In the scene where we see an almost naked baby playing with the puppies, you would think that the baby would be close to death wearing nothing in such a cold environment. But the baby is already used to the cold and used to their environment from birth. Which gives us a nice portrait of the generations of family that have survived in the cold.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:53AM) : Alaskan is not the right word.
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (May 20 2016 10:18AM) : Alaskan more

Well, it is set in Canada, so maybe Quebecers?

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Richard Caamano Richard Caamano (May 20 2016 12:46PM) : They are called Inuit, which fall under the group commonly known as Eskimos.
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Deja Washington Deja Washington (Feb 19 2016 12:49AM) : A great deal of respect for the struggling family. more

I was personally amazed by their journey. The images didn’t suggest at all that they wanted sympathy. The brilliance behind Flaherty’s directing is the movie expressed pride and content, despite their conditions. Those feelings transferred to myself as I watched, and I therefore respected the eskimos for their lifestyle.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:54AM) : Yes, they never pity their plight.
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Vanessa Ramos Vanessa Ramos (Feb 19 2016 1:13AM) : Emotions in regards to Nanook & family more

I don’t feel sorry for Nanook and his family only because that isn’t the message that the film maker is trying to depict. I believe his intent was to just showcase the life of a culture that not widely known. Some key factors that interpret the film maker was portraying these characters in a positive aspect is by using upbeat music and having the characters smile frequently throughout the film.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:54AM) : Just to showcase? Nothing else?
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Mr. Jeremy Fillipp Mr. Jeremy Fillipp (Feb 19 2016 9:11AM) : Nanook and his family more

While watching the film, I really did not feel sorry for Nanook and his family. I didn’t feel sorry for him because the way it was presented was in a light and almost playful manner. Really that was done with the music in my opinion. We didn’t really hear this sad music, but rather more playful and cheerful music. Also, that was just the way of life back then (where they were from.)

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Tracy Shu Tracy Shu (Feb 19 2016 3:14PM) : Nanook + his family more

I do not feel sorry for Nanook and his family. The purpose of a documentary is depict the true nature of a subject. Regardless of whether Flaherty was objective in shooting his film, he portrayed Nanook and his family in one perspective— happy. Since Flaherty depicted Nanook’s family to be with no issues, as an audience member, I do not have a reason to feel pity for his family.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 20 2016 8:26AM) : No issues?
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Kim Brands Kim Brands (Feb 24 2016 4:10PM) : happy family more

I do not feel sorry for them because they look so independent. I have the feeling they’re totally fine on their own and don’t need the tools of modern society to have a nice life. They seem very happy and satisfied.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 26 2016 6:30AM) : And that's where the film does distort since in fact the Inuit traded for modern tools like rifles. Like everyone else, they found the technology irresistible, but that's not the message Flaherty wants to convey.
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Wilde Diaz Wilde Diaz (Feb 26 2016 8:57PM) : Sorry not sorry more

I do not feel bad for Nanook and his family because of the two ways I interpreted this movie. The first was in a way that I let myself to be ingulfed in the movie. Nanook and his family were in their environment with no disturbance by the outside world. No one was harmed, modern technology was absolved from being shown in the movie. In addition to this the family was shown eating, partaking in activities and free from most danger. This is their way of life and if that is their norm then no one can say they are any worse off if they do not know what could be better. On another note when you critically analyze what is going on I still do not feel sorry for them. Yes they are foreigners on their lands but they are not intruding. They are portraying their way of life a certain way and use upbeat music, angels and modern technology to show the world how simple a normal and happy life can be.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 27 2016 11:07AM) : Good points. The word is engulfed.
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Jinyoung Kim Jinyoung Kim (May 20 2016 4:41PM) : a part of life more

I think the film show that a family’s struggle to survive is a part of their life, just like ant other all around the world, and thus it makes the audience recognize their tough life, and we need to understand.

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Tracy Shu Tracy Shu (Feb 19 2016 3:02PM) : Flaherty made it seem as if nothing was unsatisfying with the way Nanook and his family was living. They seemed happy; living with the basic essentials, and each other. This film depicted their lives in one perspective, without capturing any hardships.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 20 2016 8:27AM) : I don't understand. There is plenty of hardship in the film.
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Andrew White Andrew White (Feb 19 2016 7:22PM) : Feeling sorry more

The way that the movie was shot, and what was included , does not grant sympathy from me. The film is somewhat of a delusion of a happy life of Nanook and his family. In reality , they go through various hardships and stuggle, natural of that of a family that inhabit such a harsh climate. Deception is the key here. The agenda is to make their life seem more trivial and care free than it is.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 20 2016 8:28AM) : I disagree. There is nothing trivial about their lives. Millions of people went to see this film, and it was not because the life shown was trivial. You could say aspects of their lives were trivialized, but that is a different point [Edited]
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Nanook of the North certainly presents the noble savage, but is not heavy-handed in its presentation.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 22 2015 10:17AM) : What are the characteristics of the noble savage and is Nanook one?
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Jessica Nieberg Jessica Nieberg (Feb 12 2016 6:13PM) : It is apparent that Nanook holds a high rank, thus showing nobility, and exemplifies primitive living, in other words, a "savage." He provides for his family, fishes with his bare hands and, to complete the term, [Edited] more

can be seen taking a bite of a fish right after pulling it from the water.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2016 7:53AM) : Yes, his pleasures are immediate unlike viewers of the film whose pleasures are mediated.
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Feb 17 2016 10:02AM) : Noble Savage more

Skimming through various definitions of noble savage, most make reference of an individual who is not corrupted or influenced by civilization. Perhaps Nanook is portrayed as more of a noble savage than in real life since Flaherty wished to see the Inuit’s act and live in the historic manor that their ancestors did rather than the modernized lifestyle infused with more advanced tools. In the films realm though, Nanook appears as the noble savage being in control of his family and responsible for their travel and general well being.

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Joshua Wolfe Joshua Wolfe (Feb 19 2016 1:49AM) : . [Edited] more

I as well came across the idea that a noble savage is a human being that is “not corrupted by the influence of civilization.” It is the idea that noble savages like Nanuk are naturally good people or born good and because noble savages like Nanuk are not directly connected to civilization, as they are nomads and are isolated from it, they cannot be influenced in any way, especially negatively. Flaherty indeed does portray Nanuk as noble savage, everything he does exemplifies that. From his many ways of obtaining food to creating means of shelter, Nanuk is a noble savage.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:56AM) : Nanook
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:56AM) : Yes. You need to learn how to spell manner.
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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (Feb 18 2016 10:17PM) : Evolutionism broke up society into three different types of people: savage, barbarian and civilized. more

Evolutionism broke up society into three different types of people: savage, barbarian and civilized. A noble savage is a good way to describe to Nanook because every primitive task throughout the movie he completes with class and courage (two qualities I believe making up a noble savage).

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 7:58AM) : Evolutionism is not the right term. Where did you get this idea?
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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (Feb 20 2016 11:58AM) : Your right, evolutionism does not apply to this time period at all but this break up in society (savage, barbarian and civilized) was once the main classification of people in western civilization. more

Your right, evolutionism does not apply to this time period at all but this break up in society (savage, barbarian and civilized) was once the main classification of people in western civilization. I learned this in my Anthropology class this week and it was the first idea that came to mind when asked about the term “noble savage”. I guess that split up of society is not that relevant in this case but I was trying to draw connections between time periods.

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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (May 02 2016 5:53PM) : Noble Savage more

I think the word you were looking for is civilized. The way Flaherty asked his subject to hunt in the traditional manor rather than use the rifles they had acquired through trade preserved the namesake and spectacle he was trying to capture.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 03 2016 8:11AM) : Namesake? I don't know what you mean. You seem to e using the word improperly.
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (Feb 19 2016 12:32AM) : Nanook more

I believe that someone is called a noble savage or a savage for that matter when someone does not understand or want to understand their lifestyle. So would I consider Nanook a noble savage? No because the film gives us an insight into Nanook’s life and family which greatly humanizes him. Is he a dirty savage from the north who eats poop and does other barbaric things? No, he’s a pretty much ordinary Alaskan living in a barren wasteland in which he thrives. To truly make him a noble savage I think the documentary must have been through a “Nat Geo” type of lens where everything is from the outside and they never really get into the life of the family or Nanook.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 8:00AM) : You misunderstand the use of the term. It is used to humanize savages. It is a word imposed on native and aborginal cultures.
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (May 20 2016 10:20AM) : Choosing more

Well anyone who doesn’t choose a word to define them might have natural opposition to the word. Though I don’t think they would know what it means if it were said in front of them.

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Deja Washington Deja Washington (Feb 19 2016 12:55AM) : Noble family man more

I don’t like to use the word savage. I believe it is offensive even in this case. Nanook was noble because of what he did to feed and take of his family. It took more than being accountable and responsible for others, it took bravery and courage to keep his family alive.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 8:01AM) : the point is not what you find offensive but to understand the ideology of the film
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Vanessa Ramos Vanessa Ramos (Feb 19 2016 1:35AM) : Noble savage: Is Nanook one? more

A noble savage is a human without civilization. Without civilization, humans are naturally good. Its with civilization that makes them act in bad ways, according to Wikipedia. I believe that Nanook does fall under this category because he simply lives in harmony with his people and environment. And because he has not been influenced by civilization and lives a simple life, he is therefore considered to be a noble savage.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 8:02AM) : right
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Mr. Jeremy Fillipp Mr. Jeremy Fillipp (Feb 19 2016 9:31AM) : Noble Savage more

While talking about a noble savage, it got me thinking more and more about what it means to be one. Really, I feel like to be a noble savage is to be able to feed and provide for your family. To provide shelter and safety and generally just to care for your family. I believe that Nanook is a noble savage as he did pretty much fulfill those requirements.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 10:19AM) : Noble means more than what you are suggesting.
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Mr. Jeremy Fillipp Mr. Jeremy Fillipp (May 19 2016 6:06PM) : Noble more

Expanding on moral issues, I guess noble was also defined by dictionary.com as also meaning someones position in society or political status. I guess you can look at the overall nobility of Nanook here.

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Tracy Shu Tracy Shu (Feb 19 2016 3:23PM) : Appreciation for Nanook's way of life more

Nanook was depicted of being a noble savage. He lived a pretty “raw” life being an eskimo with his family— a life that isn’t dependent on modern technologies and is . However, I felt a deep appreciation for this way of life. Even though his son had to drink (which many modern Americans would find disgusting) the fish oil? the fish oil for his stomach ache, it seemed as if he enjoyed the taste. Nanook’s “noble savage” way of life helped him and his family be content and happy with simple things.

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Kim Brands Kim Brands (Feb 24 2016 4:12PM) : noble savage more

Yes, he is. For instance when they bite and smell the LP record Flaherty brought. They didn’t grow up with something like that and thus have no idea what it is. For them it’s normal to smell and taste things if you’re unfamiliar with it. I thought this was a great example of Nanook being a noble savage.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 26 2016 6:31AM) : Right
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Wilde Diaz Wilde Diaz (Feb 26 2016 8:57PM) : Being a noble savage more

A noble savage is someone who is carefree, resourceful, instinctual and untainted from the evils associated with civilization. Nanook, the man and head of a family who hunts for their food and the demands of their environment create a culture of being highly skilled in multiple facets in order to survive. Nanook is a noble savage because his very life and family demands him to be skilled in order to stay alive, all without the aid of common civilization elements.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 27 2016 11:08AM) : Good, but you don't quite get the noble part
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Richard Caamano Richard Caamano (May 20 2016 5:58PM) : Noble Savage more

I think a noble savage is someone is like saying a civilized animal. They way they behave outside of survival are noble. They help one another, don’t go looking for trouble and are able to establish tribes. The savage part comes from the fact that they hunt and kill their own food. The Inuit don’t live in cities or have day jobs, surviving is their job.

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Andrew White Andrew White (Feb 19 2016 7:23PM) : noble savage more

kind, thoughtful, playful, hardy, strategic, resourceful, carefree, intuitive.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 20 2016 8:29AM) : Right
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In the interview with Robert Flaherty’s wife she says that Robert was searching for the spirit of people; he didn’t want information.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 22 2015 10:18AM) : If Flaherty was searching for the subject of the people, does it matter that he manipulated certain scenes and characters?
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Feb 17 2016 10:07AM) : Spirit of the People more

Flaherty’s personal search for the spirit of the Inuit people seems to be separate from the creation of the film. His findings may have been such a feeling that was not comprehensible through film so it was his job to manipulate the characters and scenes in a way that he thought would evoke the same emotions and feelings from an audience who could not visit and interact with Nanook in person. It was also Flaherty’s job to select which activities and actions to capture as living with someone for every minute of every day will hold countless moments of spirit whereas you can only fit so many into a documentary.

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Jessica Nieberg Jessica Nieberg (Feb 18 2016 6:10PM) : Again, I agree with Jake in that it was Flaherty's job to manipulate the characters in a sense. more

As stated in class, the message would be confusing if viewers experience the ups and downs of their way of life. Viewers must walk away with something, and that may be difficult to achieve when given too much of an array of situations.

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Joshua Wolfe Joshua Wolfe (Feb 18 2016 11:35PM) : . more

To a minuscule extent it matters that Flaherty manipulated certain shots but it is necessary and more effective to portray the characters and shots in the film in a specific way like Flaherty did, so that the audience sees the direction of the film, rather than seeing conflicting messages. That being said, the authenticity and truth to film is surely weakened by Flaherty’s manipulation, however minuscule that may be.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 8:05AM) : a reasonable assessment
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 8:04AM) : What do viewers walk away with?
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (May 20 2016 10:22AM) : Condense more

The viewers walk away with a condensed view of Nanook and his family. Not necessarily the whole truth but one side of the truth.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 8:03AM) : a good explanation
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 20 2016 8:30AM) : He was telling a particular story and some aspects of Inuit life did no fit that story
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (Feb 19 2016 12:35AM) : Nanook more

Either way it would have been presented would have been altered because of his view and editing. If he would have studied Nanook and then shot the documentary he would have manipulated the shots just as much because sometimes you just cannot get the shots you need without some sort of direction. Sometimes life does not happen the way you predict. So it does not matter if he manipulated certain scenes because film makers do this without knowing sometimes and have to be criticized for what could have been or what isn’t.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 8:06AM) : so why do some critics say it does matter?
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (May 20 2016 10:23AM) : New more

Because it was such a new experience for them at the time, they have never seen a story like this anywhere. And even a little bit of it is enticing to see.

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Deja Washington Deja Washington (Feb 19 2016 1:01AM) : No it does not. more

I think manipulation was necessary in this film because if their true emotions or uncoordinated scenes could have caused a feeling of pity among the audience. That was not the purpose of the film.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 8:07AM) : what was the purpose of the film?
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Vanessa Ramos Vanessa Ramos (Feb 19 2016 1:47AM) : Manipulation of scenes more

I believe that the scenes that Flaherty manipulated were only to promote the authenticity of the film. For example, although the characters were currently using updated weapons, Flaherty used bow and arrows to keep the dying culture alive. Does this subtract from the truth value? Definitely. However, at one point in time these items were used to hunt so I don’t believe its a complete form of manipulation.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 8:08AM) : is he keeping a dying culture alive? Clarify. Isn't it already gone by the time he is filming? Alive for who?
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Tracy Shu Tracy Shu (Feb 19 2016 3:11PM) : Manipulated certain scenes/characters more

Personally, I believe that Flaherty should not have manipulated certain scenes and characters. In order to get the true authenticity of a documentary, one must capture the true intentions and behavior of their everyday lives. Although this may deviate from the uniform “theme” or “message” the film might be trying to promote, capturing the true spirit of the people is important to developing a documentary. Essentially, this true spirit includes the good and the bad occurrences.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 20 2016 8:31AM) : True authenticity is redundant
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Kim Brands Kim Brands (Feb 24 2016 4:19PM) : spirit more

I think in this context it doesn’t. If Flaherty really was looking for the spirit in people, he did a great job in my opinion. He really showed Nanook and his family in their natural habitat and how almost ‘simple’ their lives where (not ‘simple’ as in without difficulties but I mean without tools from modern society). It gave me this nostalgic feeling and almost makes you think that his life, compared to ours, in some parts isn’t that bad at all (without electronics, a lot of time for your family). Personally I’m not really a fan of manipulating certain scenes and make people act like they’re less civilized then they really are (for instance with the harpoon) but I think I will actually make an exception for this one. He showed how Inuit people (used to) live and with that, made a beautiful portrait in capturing their spirit I think.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 26 2016 6:32AM) : You capture Flaherty's mission when you say he wants to capture the spirit of Inuit life and doesn't want details that might interfere with that message.
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Wilde Diaz Wilde Diaz (Feb 26 2016 8:58PM) : Manipulation more

People have many elements to their lives. Very rarely if ever does the life of a person or culture can ever be interpreted in black and white. By Flaherty focusing on who these people were in a direction that displays to the audience a happy and survivalist culture he had to manipulated the footage he chose to take and already had shot. In essence it does matter because whenever you touch something with the intentions of changing something you have already decided to alter the storyline. But all history is “his-story” and that’s exactly Flaherty had done, he took this part of history in Nanook’s community and made it his for the people back home to see.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 27 2016 11:08AM) : The story line rules
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Richard Caamano Richard Caamano (May 20 2016 12:53PM) : Not really more

I don’t think it mattered that he manipulated scenes and characters because Flaherty was trying to catch the essence of the Inuit. He showed how different the conditions of life for the Inuit was compared to the average viewer and that the Inuit lived happily nonetheless. Flaherty seemed to think the Inuit people were a strong spirited group and that was what he portrayed.

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Errol Lewis Errol Lewis (May 20 2016 3:28PM) : It matters, but then it doesn't more

Clearly he wanted his own perspective of the people rather than the perspective of the people themselves, but the project he sought to present was definitely already set up in his head before he began filming. Otherwise, he would have likely included the perspective of the people. Manipulation of scenes and of people has become the norm in today’s modern documentaries and “unscripted” series, but it proves that what we find normal wasn’t so then, at least we didn’t think it was.

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Andrew White Andrew White (Feb 19 2016 7:27PM) : Subject of the people more

In retrospect, Flaherty’s agenda is clear. He doesn’t care about what is actually going on in Nanook and his family’s daily life, instead his interests rest merely in making a touching film that hasn’t been seen before. He wants to manipulate and fool his audience into thinking that an Eskimos life is all fun and games.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 20 2016 8:33AM) : I disagree. You don't spend all that time with the Inuit just to fool other people about them. The film does not ju depict fun and games. That is a gross distortion.
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Ms Kindra Cooper Ms Kindra Cooper (May 18 2016 7:01PM) : It does matter more

Flaherty deliberately cut scenes where the Eskimos were shown to be using advanced tools. This is a key piece and eliminating it was for the purpose of furthering Flaherty’s narrative of the Eskimos enduring arctic conditions and limited food supply by virtue of their resilience and cheerful demeanor alone – and not from technical smarts. That would have made the Eskimos too much like those who live in modern civilizations and detracted from the reverential tone of this documentary.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 19 2016 7:26AM) : Yes, Flaherty did not want to detract from his film's conception of these people as pre-modern.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 22 2015 10:19AM) : What does it mean to be aesthetically pleasing. Give some examples from the film.
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Jessica Nieberg Jessica Nieberg (Feb 12 2016 6:04PM) : For something to be aesthetically pleasing, it means the subject is attractive. People enjoy looking at it. more

An example of an aesthetically pleasing scene in the film is when the viewer feels as though they are in the water with Nanook as he is rowing his boat.

Another example is when Nanook’s son is sledding in the snow with a husky pulling him as Nanook works. While the first scene mentioned may be pleasing because of the unique camera placement, this scene differs. It is a nice shot because of the happiness and enjoyment projected from the characters.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 13 2016 7:54AM) : The shot has a shape to it, and that is part of its aesthetic.
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Feb 17 2016 10:11AM) : Aesthetics more

When Nanook’s entire family climbs out of his canoe is one particular scene that stuck in my head. Whether edited to seem as if they all fit or not, it captivated the audience and allowed them to enjoy an otherwise meaningless task of climbing out of a canoe simply through film. A certain shot or clip must draw the viewer in and hold their attention while creating desire to see more, whether there is more to see or not.

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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (Feb 18 2016 10:22PM) : Agreed. Flaherty creates drama in what would normally be considered normal tasks. These "meaningless tasks" captivated me creating a very aesthetically pleasing documentary.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 8:11AM) : Is what is dramatic the same as aesthetically pleasing? Clarify
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Basil Lyons Basil Lyons (Feb 20 2016 12:05PM) : I was more so responding to this idea of being able to captivate the audience through meaningless tasks. more

I was more so responding to this idea of being able to captivate the audience through meaningless tasks. I don’t believe what is dramatic is aesthetically pleasing but these are two aspects of a filmed (related in my opinion) seen through Nanook of the North that makes the film successful and easy to watch.

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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (May 02 2016 6:01PM) : Dramatic vs aesthetically pleasing more

I think drama is more of a genre and style of scripting whats filmed while aesthetics can be opinion based. More so aesthetics should be pleasing to look at and creating a desire in the viewer to see more or give them the ’can’t look away’ feeling.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 03 2016 8:12AM) : I'm not sure what it means to say aesthetics is opinion based.
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Vanessa Ramos Vanessa Ramos (Feb 19 2016 1:54AM) : Agree. more

I agree with this response as well. To call something aesthetically pleasing is to call it beautiful and is pleasing to the senses of sight and hearing. The scene in which the entire family is climbing out of the canoe is most memorable for the simple fact that its mind boggling as to how many people come out of the canoe and its also humorous. Flahherty uses different cuts in the shots to give the effect that many people were inside of the canoe. This shot engages the audience and is definitely memorable.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 8:10AM) : something that sticks in your head is aesthetic? How so?
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Joshua Wolfe Joshua Wolfe (Feb 18 2016 11:45PM) : . more

Aesthetically pleasing is something beautiful that you can see and/or hear. There was one scene that I think definitely fits this category. When Nanuk warms his son’s hands by rubbing them on his cheek, I thought was really touching, something everyone can truly appreciate.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 8:12AM) : but is touching the same as aesthetically pleasing?
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Joshua Wolfe Joshua Wolfe (May 06 2016 3:09PM) : no [Edited] more

I think aesthetically pleasing in documentary films has more to do with something beautiful we see on the exterior and at first glance. A touching scene does not necessarily mean it is aesthetically pleasing.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 07 2016 8:08AM) : Aesthetically pleasing may also be the truth. As John Keats said, truth is beauty, beauty is truth.
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (Feb 19 2016 12:39AM) : Nanook more

Flaherty was obviously no amateur, he had a very expensive camera and presumably a crew of some sort with him so he knew how to set up a shot. Aesthetics are a weird thing because it is very subjective, but it is basically, does the shot look good or bad. In the documentary there are several scenes where everything just looks good, the scene with the baby and dogs in front of the pelts, where they get off the boat in the introduction, and when they are walking on the mountains to the trading post. All of these scenes look great, you will not say "oh I wish it was more centered, or that lighting is bad. Everything looks good at a glance to the human eye.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 19 2016 8:13AM) : What makes those scenes look great?
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Rich Koos Rich Koos (May 20 2016 10:25AM) : Not Sure more

I’m not sure, aesthetics are such a strange thing to evaluate because you know what looks good when you see it. It might boil down to evenness in a frame, good use of 1/3s, and nice landscape shots.

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Tracy Shu Tracy Shu (Feb 19 2016 3:08PM) : Aesthetically Pleasing more

In my opinion, Nanook of the North was aesthetically pleasing in terms of its visual imagery. There were many wide angle shots that captured the environment of how and where Nanook’s family lived. However, there were also close-up shots that showed the details of Nanook’s face— the deep lines and wrinkles. This gave a personal representation of his life. I enjoyed the variety of shots, as the images depicted were different.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 20 2016 8:34AM) : A good response
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Kim Brands Kim Brands (Feb 24 2016 4:26PM) : examples more

One example of where the film was aesthetically pleasing in my opinion, was at the beginning, when you see the water going up and down. It gives you the feeling that you’re on a boat, in the scene. I also think there were beautiful shots of landscapes and stuff like that but at the same time, close-up shots from Nanook and his family. It really captures their lives and gave me the feeling that I was sitting next to them. I felt like in some way it was ok that you see that they know the camera is there. It gives some sort of security or something like that and all of this was aesthetically pleasing to me.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 26 2016 6:33AM) : Good examples
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Wilde Diaz Wilde Diaz (Feb 26 2016 8:59PM) : Natural appeasement by nature more

For something to be aesthetically pleasing it has to appease the senses, usually through sight or hearing. Flaherty in his attempt to portray the surroundings of Nanook as a whole, is able to shoot scenes of imagery such as the landscape and nature. Being able to see how the water interacts with the canoe or how the wind battles his home or the sun shines on his land is ways the audience can relate because that too occurs in their neighborhoods and homes by the same elements by nature. But despite being relatable the way the water or wind can be so calm at one moment or vivacious the next is aesthetically pleasing.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Feb 27 2016 11:09AM) : Good examples.
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