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At breakfast Michael told me the Elizabeth Frank biography of Indira Gandhi had created quite a stir. "Apparently, it’s got some things in it that are quite stupid. It’s just distracting from the merits of the book, some gossip stuff about whether she [Gandhi] was having an affair with somebody in the office there and things which ... It’s rather put me off the book, I must say." [CR] "The review I read was very good." [MF] "I read that first, too, and I thought 'that’s a good book.' The chap who did it in the Guardian was quite sensible. He’s a real expert on India and all that ... but what I read last night I’m afraid that, especially Sonia—"

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Jan 25 2016 2:26PM) : What is wrong with gossip in a biography? Can the gossip be justified?
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Lynette Grodskiy Lynette Grodskiy (Mar 02 2016 7:26PM) : Gossip more

When writing a biography, you want to remain as close to the truth as possible. Gossip often is just a bunch of he said, she said mixed with biased slander. It’s difficult to know which parts are true and which are opinions. A biography is not a gossip column in a magazine; on the contrary it has substance and is based on facts, rather than hearsay.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 03 2016 8:38AM) : But in some instances gossip may be valuable. Why?
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Mr. Saveen Wijebandara Mr. Saveen Wijebandara (May 11 2016 5:33PM) : Values of gossip more

I think gossip is valuable because it raises questions. These questions might actually lead to a new discovery, if a proper investigation can be performed. Also, I believe a lot more people are more into gossip than facts. If gossip can draw attention or crowds, then there is some value.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 12 2016 7:52AM) : It depends on the purpose of reporting gossip. To just draw more readers does seem a defensible proposition.
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Erica Likht Erica Likht (May 19 2016 3:44PM) : In response to Professor Rollyson Q: in what instances is gossip valuable? [Edited] more

Gossip is like jokes: there is some truth in them. That is what makes the difference between the good jokes and the bad ones. People tend to laugh at what is true, just exaggerated. So, if there is gossip swirling around that seems too good to be true, there is usually an interesting story behind it or at least why the gossip was started, which can lead to an undiscovered truth which then becomes fact.

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Treasure Kim Treasure Kim (May 21 2016 5:44AM) : Treasure Kim [Edited] more

Gossip may be valuable because there has to be a reason for that gossip to have started. There is a possibility of some relevance or truths to all gossip and rumors

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Molly Deng Molly Deng (Mar 03 2016 1:19PM) : Molly Deng more

I think gossip is more suited in a tabloid or a magazine because in my mind, biographies are more associated with more serious, fact-rooted matters. Gossip is like hearsay, it’s he says, she says, and since it’s not always factual, it’s unnecessary in biographies unless it’s the biographer’s way of subtly commenting on his subject without directly saying something. For these reasons, I don’t think gossip can be justified in biographies.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 04 2016 7:59AM) : Can gossip be justified as showing how the subject is perceived?
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Ayannah Woods Ayannah Woods (Mar 03 2016 2:34PM) : Gossip is mere hearsay, it provides little fact but more opinion. However gossip can be justified if the biographer fact checks every detail of that gossip. At time gossip is based on true events, so it should always be considered and looked further into. [Edited]
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 04 2016 7:59AM) : i agree
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Elvira Amparo De La Cruz Elvira Amparo De La Cruz (Mar 03 2016 3:53PM) : Gossip is never truly accurate and most of the time bias more

a biography should be factual and avoid rumors, allowing the reader to see the personal aspects. gossip is not credible. gossip maybe justified if the subject discusses it possibly

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 04 2016 7:59AM) : but what if rumors and gossip have shaped the subject's reputation?
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Treasure Kim Treasure Kim (May 21 2016 5:46AM) : Treasure Kim more

Gossip plays an important role in that sense because it is a cause that impacted the subject

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student Venetia Persaud student Venetia Persaud (Mar 03 2016 8:54PM) : Gossip more

Personally, I have always associated biographies with facts and facts only… if gossip was included in a biography, I would think it would confuse the audience since it would be based on opinions about what he or she did. On the other hand, gossip can be justified if it is fact checked.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 04 2016 8:01AM) : can a full biography deal only with the facts?
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Mr. Saveen Wijebandara Mr. Saveen Wijebandara (May 11 2016 5:19PM) : Thoughts more

I believe not. If the biography only has facts, it would be rather boring. A biography should have stories and memories that cannot be 100% fact-checked. In addition, accounts from individuals close to the subject, and those not so fond (to get a broader view). However, it is important to mention the source. The reason why a biography should not only be facts is to add some entertainment into the book. Nonetheless, this should be done without compromising the integrity of the subject or the book itself.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 12 2016 7:50AM) : I don't think entertainment is added to a good biography. It should be part of the narrative, not forced or added.
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Elvis Rosario Mendez Elvis Rosario Mendez (Mar 04 2016 6:05AM) : E.rosario more

Gossip its irrelevant in this case. I doesn’t follow the purpose of the book

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Jason Zawadzki Jason Zawadzki (Mar 04 2016 1:45PM) : Gossip more

Gossip in biography makes the story more scandalous and the source of the gossip could be biased towards the subject, which falsifies the subjects’ image. I believe that gossip can be justified in the biographer does enough investigation through multiple sources to prove that the gossip about the subject is indeed factual.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 05 2016 5:21PM) : Gossip in itself does not have to be scandalous.
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Mr. Itamar Hematian Mr. Itamar Hematian (Mar 06 2016 2:13PM) : Gossip is only part truth. Gossip does contain truth, but it is diluted with so much opinion, that, many people will brush gossip off as complete untruth when it fact it can be true. The job of the biographer would be to find the truth in the gossip.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2016 7:29AM) : Gossip can be false. It could be quite a mistake to say gossip is part truth.
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Allen Strk Allen Strk (Mar 31 2016 1:10PM) : Gossip more

It’s rare that gossip has any positive or substantial influence on anything, let alone a biography. You never know when gossip is valid. It features a significant amount of questionable information that likely has emotional ties. A biography can’t feature content that isn’t valid. Gossip can reveal some types of truth. It’s not a consistent source for information, which doesn’t make it likely justified.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Apr 01 2016 7:55AM) : How do you know it is rare? How much biography have you read?
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Mr. Saveen Wijebandara Mr. Saveen Wijebandara (May 11 2016 5:03PM) : Gossip more

The issue with gossip in a biography is how it can effect the credibility of the biography. In addition, gossip has uncertainty, and this could tarnish the subject’s reputation or merit one for accomplishments never achieved.

To a degree, gossip can be justified. I believe it mostly depends on the source of the gossip. For example, an unbiased individual who knows the subject to a strong degree can make some claims. Also, it should be notified that the claim is gossip, so the reader can infer appropriately. Furthermore, I believe the subject of the gossip matters for it to be justified. For example, gossip regarding a secret family is too much to entertain.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 12 2016 7:49AM) : Reporting gossip can also be a way to show how the subject is viewed by others.
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Safiya Sergeant Safiya Sergeant (May 12 2016 6:11PM) : Safiya Sergeant [Edited] more

The intrinsic issues with gossip are the same when gossip is put into a biography. Gossip is often a twist on the truth, twice removed. Therefore not the truth, and biographies are supposed to be stories that recollect the truth of someones life. Gossip can be justified if the gossip greatly effects the targets life. For example, all their life they struggled fighting the stigma from the gossip surrounding them.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 13 2016 7:54AM) : Gossip is about percepton,not just about facts.
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Student Thonny Vargas Student Thonny Vargas (May 18 2016 3:33PM) : answer more

Gossip is based in what others say, therefore is not a valid information unless it can be justify with proves that can support it. if that is the cases then the inclusion of the gossip in a biography will be valid.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 19 2016 7:09AM) : Gossip goes to the issue of reputation. Even unfounded gossip may tell you something about the reputation of your subject or how that subject has been treated.
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Michael Andersen Michael Andersen (May 20 2016 6:28PM) : Gossip more

Gossip is usually based mostly on rumors and hearsay. However, a biographer could use gossip as a possible lead to investigate, and substantiate, something and add it into a biography.

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Omer Seman Omer Seman (May 20 2016 7:37PM) : Gossip more

Gossip is typically not grounded on facts, but if the right story is worked, you could unearth some “unknown unknowns.” They could lead to a more rewarding biography

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Treasure Kim Treasure Kim (May 21 2016 6:01AM) : Treasure Kim more

What is wrong about gossip in a biography is that the gossip is from third-party opinions. A biography is mainly about a subject, so the third-party should not be relevant. The gossip can be justified if there’s evidence and documentation, but other than that, there is no possible way unless a third-party is a witness or was directly involved

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What bothered me, after my own sessions with Michael, was his rather Puritanical response to Frank’s biography. He had not even read it, yet he was already condemning it. How could a journalist and a biographer base an opinion simply on soaking up some negative press comment and the word of friends? I asked a question that did not seem to have occurred to him: [CR] You don’t think Sonia might be overreacting to this biography? [MF] Well, she might be, I suppose. [CR] That’s my experience. Often families overreact. [MF] You bet. That might very well be. Much of the biography is pro-India. But I didn’t realise it’s got this stuff in it ... this lover in the office. Now it [Frank’s book] also says that at an early stage in her life Indira was not going to return to India. She was going to come here ... and that it almost happened. Now ... she’s [Frank] defending it, saying some people talked to her along those lines. I never heard it. But what did that prove? Surely Michael could see that his friendship with Indira could not, in itself, weigh against the researches of a serious biographer. I later read the book and saw no reason to dispute Frank’s account, which, after all, was a report, not a flat statement of fact. But to Michael and his ilk, any suggestion that Indira, who had spent the war years in London quite happily, would even have considered a life apart from India was anathema. Michael, by his own admission, was a hero-worshipper, and even when he admitted his hero’s faults, he could not seem to then re-factor his hero worship. Rajiv, for example, had accepted enormous bribes, Michael admitted. That was “very sad,” Michael added. “I couldn’t believe it at the beginning,” but Suraj Paul, one of Michael’s principal Indian backers, had disabused Michael of his illusions.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Jan 25 2016 2:27PM) : Answer the question. Is friendship incompatible with journalism? [Edited]
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Lynette Grodskiy Lynette Grodskiy (Mar 02 2016 7:25PM) : Friendship more

I think that friendship can create a lot of passionate feelings which are based simply on the fact that they have more faith in their friend’s word then the journalist’s. They don’t want to believe that their friend, someone they are close to could do something that negative. Friendship automatically creates bias, even more so if you are the journalist. Some may choose to leave things out to protect their friend’s reputation and their friendship. It wouldn’t be a good idea for a journalist to write about someone they are particularly close to.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 03 2016 8:38AM) : Friendship usually inspires loyalty and that can be a problem for the journalist.
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Molly Deng Molly Deng (Mar 03 2016 1:20PM) : Molly Deng more

Friendship isn’t necessarily incompatible with journalism but it can’t be a coincidence that many journalists are portrayed as loners with little friends. Friendship and journalism is almost like a catch 22 situation. Journalists need friends to get the inside scoop but the very nature of their job deters people from being friends with them.

In this context, friendship is also incompatible with journalism because as the subject’s friend, you have the notion that you know more about the person than a journalist would, hence Michael’s condemnation of Frank’s biography without even reading it.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 04 2016 8:01AM) : The Reporter in Pylon in a loner latching on to the flyers
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Ayannah Woods Ayannah Woods (Mar 03 2016 2:37PM) : Depending on the sensitivity of the topic, I feel that a friendship may be compatible to journalism. If the journalist has a friendship with someone within the story, they may be able to retrieve more information. more

Because they have built a trust between them, the journalist would be given information more freely.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 04 2016 8:02AM) : good point. but is it truly friendship, or just rapport?
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Elvira Amparo De La Cruz Elvira Amparo De La Cruz (Mar 03 2016 3:57PM) : yes friendship is incompatible with journalism. more

once you have a personal relationship with the subject, whether it is positive or negative, you quickly choose a side, without trying. if you enjoy the person you are more likely to write a positive story and so on. a journalist should remain as objective as possible and therefore if there is a friendship going on the subject already wins. it defies the purpose of true heart journalism.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 04 2016 8:03AM) : I do not see why you have to quickly choose a side.
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student Venetia Persaud student Venetia Persaud (Mar 03 2016 9:24PM) : I think it depends on the situation. For instance, if a journalist befriends its subject, it helps the journalist gain more information. On the other side, friendship is incompatible with journalism because it can create bias.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 04 2016 8:03AM) : yes, friendship can cut both ways.
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Elvis Rosario Mendez Elvis Rosario Mendez (Mar 04 2016 6:06AM) : E.Rosario more

I think it depends if the friendship it’s going to intervene with the work, then it can be negative.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 04 2016 8:04AM) : How can friendship intervene?
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Mr. Saveen Wijebandara Mr. Saveen Wijebandara (May 11 2016 10:13PM) : intervening example more

One way friendship can intervene is when a friend asks for favors that a journalist cannot do, because it might comprise the integrity of one’s work. However, the desire to maintain that friendship can cause a struggle due to an ethical dilemma.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 12 2016 7:53AM) : Yes, there is a tension. What to include and what to take out of a biography.
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Jason Zawadzki Jason Zawadzki (Mar 04 2016 1:28PM) : Friendship more

Friendship can be at certain times incompatible with journalism, this occurs when the subject attempts to alter the information the journalist wants to convey about the subject: for example regarding him in a higher manner than revealing the truths of the subjects’ flaws alongside their positives. On the other hand, friendship can be very beneficial for the journalist who through their bond with the subject can uncover more information about the subject.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 05 2016 5:21PM) : yes, there are at two ways of looking at the friendship issue.
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Mr. Itamar Hematian Mr. Itamar Hematian (Mar 06 2016 2:15PM) : Friendship more

Friendship is compatible with journalism if a few requirements are met. Firstly, if the journalist is true to journalism, then the friend he would be working with would have to be true to the truth. This means that friendship is compatible with journalism when the same outcome is wanted.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2016 7:30AM) : It might depend on the journalist. Can you really separate your friendship from what you report? Wouldn't it be considered a conflict of interest no matter how fair or object you might think you are?
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Allen Strk Allen Strk (Mar 31 2016 1:16PM) : Friendship with journalism more

When it comes to true journalism, all emotional ties are to be removed. That’s the biggest reason why friendship is incompatible with journalism. Friendship inspires bias, which leads to insufficient work.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Apr 01 2016 7:56AM) : Can't emotional ties yield truth?
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Mr. Saveen Wijebandara Mr. Saveen Wijebandara (May 11 2016 10:20PM) : Opinion more

Possibly. However, I believe emotional ties more often lead to passion. From my experiences most of my passions came from things I cared about deeply. Also, in connection to truth, I think passion can bury the truth in some cases, or cause one to overlook a fact.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 12 2016 7:54AM) : How does this apply to Janet Malcolm's attitude toward journalists and their subjects?
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Mr. Saveen Wijebandara Mr. Saveen Wijebandara (May 11 2016 9:59PM) : friendship compatability more

Yes, if it leads to poor reporting. Some instances would be if: friendships cause the writer to behave in a manner that is favoring the friend, or report on one aspect of a story, or give a biased opinion, due to the impact it can have on a friend. However, if friendships lead to new story leads, credible information, access to exclusive events, then there is compatibility. I think what it comes down to is how the journalist handles the friendships.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 12 2016 7:52AM) : Yes, friendship can cut both ways.
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Safiya Sergeant Safiya Sergeant (May 12 2016 6:27PM) : Safiya Sergeant more

Friendship is not incompatible with journalism. Often friendship gains you access to relationships that cultivate stories. Gains you access to sources that you need to complete the story. Sometimes, journalist gain friendships in order to get to the bottom of a story, or even to decipher is there is one in the first place. However, valuing a friendship over the authenticity of a piece takes away the truth value. Furthermore, if you value a friendship more than the story then you shouldn’t go ahead with the story.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 13 2016 7:55AM) : The problem for the journalist is that friendships with sources invited suspicions of conflict of interest.
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Student Thonny Vargas Student Thonny Vargas (May 18 2016 3:40PM) : Yes, because no matter what a journalist must present the realty as it is without having second thoughts of who is going to be affected.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 19 2016 7:10AM) : Confusing
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Michael Andersen Michael Andersen (May 20 2016 6:28PM) : Friendship more

Friendship doesn’t necessarily have to be incompatible with journalism, but it does raise some issues involving ethics. Friends tend to have allegiance towards one another, so as a journalist this can be a conflict of interest when needing to remain objective.

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Omer Seman Omer Seman (May 20 2016 7:50PM) : Friendship more

Journalists must be able remain objective in their reporting, no matter who the subject may be. If a friendship stands as a roadblock, then it is incompatible.

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Treasure Kim Treasure Kim (May 21 2016 5:55AM) : Treasure Kim more

I think friendship is compatible under certain circumstances, like when the subject fully understands the obligation of a journalist and their duty, when the subject is not affected or worried about revealing information, or when the biographer can talk the subject into accepting what is required for a biography.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Jan 25 2016 2:29PM) : How is hero worship inimical to biography?
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Lynette Grodskiy Lynette Grodskiy (Mar 02 2016 7:24PM) : hero-worshipping more

Hero worshiping is another form of extreme bias, where the individual sees someone as a role model. When a journalist has such high reverence, it is difficult to write or believe something about their role model that proves otherwise. It wouldn’t be fair to the biography to treat someone differently because of personal opinions.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 03 2016 8:36AM) : Another word for the hero worshipping biography: hagiography
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Elvis Rosario Mendez Elvis Rosario Mendez (Mar 04 2016 6:10AM) : e.Rosario more

I totally agree. It would be extremely hard to write about someone that you admire or are passionate. It would also be unfair to the audience that are looking to read an autobiography with objectivity.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 04 2016 8:05AM) : But what if the biography admits to bias and to admiration?
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Omer Seman Omer Seman (May 20 2016 8:00PM) : Hero-worship more

Then it is doing its readers a disservice by not sharing all sides of the story. The platonic ideal of a biography should let the readers form their own opinions of the subject based on facts and anecdotes, good and bad.

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Molly Deng Molly Deng (Mar 03 2016 1:21PM) : Molly Deng more

Hero worship sets you up with certain expectations of your hero. I mean the word hero itself puts your idol on a pedestal which only sets you up for disappointment when unfavorable truths are revealed in a biography. Some people could choose to be in denial, or overlook these negative attributes while others become disillusioned.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 04 2016 8:05AM) : yes, these are real pitfalls.
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Elvira Amparo De La Cruz Elvira Amparo De La Cruz (Mar 03 2016 4:01PM) : worshiping a hero is unfavorable to a biography because, it is only focusing on the good more

i believe that a true biography focuses on all aspects of the being. the good, the bad have all made up this person and they should not be ashamed. it shows professionalism and fearlessness in the writer, when they choose to avoid being bias and worshiping this hero. not everyone is perfect,and therefore your imperfections teach you lessons and make you wiser and objective.

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student Venetia Persaud student Venetia Persaud (Mar 03 2016 9:47PM) : I agree a biography should focus on all aspects of a person's life regardless if its bad or good. In my opinion, hero worshipping in a biography makes the subject look fake.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 04 2016 8:07AM) : but an admiring biography could also include the subject's faults.
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Jason Zawadzki Jason Zawadzki (Mar 04 2016 1:39PM) : Hero-Worshiping more

Hero-worshiping is established in a biography when the subject is placed on a mantle, since the biographer might see the subject as an almighty, unblemished figure. This can lead to disillusion among the biographer when they find out their hero is flawed, and may result in bias when writing about them since they will downplay or even ignore any faults.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 05 2016 5:22PM) : mantle is not the right word here.
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Jason Zawadzki Jason Zawadzki (Mar 07 2016 12:58PM) : Perhaps "pedestal" is a better word.
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Mr. Itamar Hematian Mr. Itamar Hematian (Mar 06 2016 2:16PM) : Hero worship would stop the purest truth from coming out. People tend to idolize heroes to the point where they simply do not SEE the truth anymore.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Mar 07 2016 7:31AM) : Yes, hero worship can result in an uncritical attitude
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Allen Strk Allen Strk (Mar 31 2016 1:28PM) : Hero worshipping to biography more

When it comes to hero worshipping, it usually means nothing but praise for that person. That precludes them from writing a true biography. Revering someone deeply will leave you narrow minded rather than open minded.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Apr 01 2016 7:57AM) : But what if the subject really is a hero or even a saint?
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Safiya Sergeant Safiya Sergeant (May 12 2016 6:39PM) : Safiya Sergeant more

Hero-worshipping the target of a biography contuses the biography, because instead of the target trying to assure they are depicted in a positive light, the writer cannot see the target in any other light.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 13 2016 7:57AM) : True, though that light will shine very brightly and perhaps reveal truths that more objective journalists will miss.
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Student Thonny Vargas Student Thonny Vargas (May 18 2016 4:09PM) : answer more

It can harm the biography because of the fact that a hero worship means something positive, something that people believe and follow. And that is why the biography will avoid every negative facts that a hero cannot have. which means that the biography will not be fully complete.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (May 19 2016 7:11AM) : What does "it" refer to?
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Erica Likht Erica Likht (May 19 2016 4:32PM) : Hero Worshipping [Edited] more

Hero Worshipping is inimical to biography for then the biography becomes like a book of compliments. You are no longer writing a true story, you’re writing a persuasive essay to prove your own favorable view. There is a good and bad to everyone and it is a biographer’s duty to showcase both sides. You are also doing a disservice to the subject themselves for not portraying their actual tale.

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Michael Andersen Michael Andersen (May 20 2016 6:29PM) : Hero Worship more

With hero worship there is an inherent bias towards writing someone’s biography. Even if the writer intends to remain unbiased and objective, it’s likely that their worship will affect their ability to be objective.

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Treasure Kim Treasure Kim (May 21 2016 6:06AM) : Treasure Kim more

Hero worshipping is actually looking up to someone/something and there are already favorable opinions about the hero. A biographer does not have to see the subject as a role model and should be open to different kinds of opinions

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