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Chandler's novel is romantic, fog-bound, and depressing.—Bruce Kawin

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 10:51AM) : What about the movie. What three adjectives would you pick to describe it?
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Albi Kallashi Albi Kallashi (Oct 11 2016 8:01PM) : Adjectives more

Complicated, captivating & long

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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Dec 15 2016 2:40PM) : reply to Albi more

I agree with captivating. The chemistry between the characters is extremely that and of course complicated.

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Md. Waliour Rahman Saikat Md. Waliour Rahman Saikat (Oct 12 2016 8:06PM) : The Big Sleep movie is full of suspicion, dread and intrigue. more

The movie is also confusing, complex and logic-defying in characters. The Big sleep refers to death, so there are many blackmails, murders and committing to ill deeds, such as gambling, pornography, corruptions, deceptions and so forth.

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Sade Sampson Sade Sampson (Oct 22 2016 12:05AM) : I agree with the movie being confusing, so many things are occurring at once, and in various times during the movie which in way, keeps the viewer interested and hooked on the unpredictable plot.
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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Oct 19 2016 7:53AM) : The three words I will use are complicated,ambiguous and cliff-hanging.
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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Oct 20 2016 12:40PM) : Adjectives more

I believe this movie to be Seductive, deep and hazy

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:19AM) : I understand hazy. Why deep?
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Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy (Dec 07 2016 11:50PM) : Deep, as in so convoluted it feels deep. [Edited] more

As Dude Lebowski once said, “This is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you’s. And, uh, lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Duder’s head. Luckily I’m adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug regimen to keep my mind, you know, limber.”

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nicholas marrero nicholas marrero (Oct 20 2016 9:08PM) : Adjectives more

As for the movie I would have to say that it is convoluted, vague, and appealing.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:38AM) : It is unusual to watch something that is convoluted but also appealing. How does that happen?
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Sade Sampson Sade Sampson (Oct 22 2016 12:08AM) : In my opinion, the story behind the Big Sleep, the big picture rather is holds the appeal as the conflict and the breakdown of the plot is the convoluted part.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 22 2016 12:16PM) : Hard to follow.
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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Dec 15 2016 2:42PM) : reply to how could something be convoluted and appealing. more

I agree with Nicholas that it is both convoluted and appealing because sometimes something is so complicated that you can’t look away. You need to know how it ends.

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Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy (Dec 07 2016 11:14PM) : Appealing and convoluted more

It very much is unusual to watch something that is convoluted and appealing. It happens to work with The Big Sleep because of its genre, film noir, which works with other elements to make the story appealing without having a clear and legible plot.

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Student Ebony Wheeler Student Ebony Wheeler (Oct 20 2016 9:30PM) : Three Adjectives more

Mysterious,enchanting, compelling

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Arisleidy Amarante Arisleidy Amarante (Oct 20 2016 11:26PM) : 3 adjectives I would use to describe the movie is cryptic, constant, and troublesome.
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Luke Senkbeil Luke Senkbeil (Oct 21 2016 1:19PM) : Adjectives more

Complex, charming, & shady

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James Kang James Kang (Oct 21 2016 4:39PM) : three adjectives more

i would describe the film as fast paced, mysterious and dark

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Student Thonny Vargas Student Thonny Vargas (Nov 09 2016 5:50AM) : Sentimental, heavy and sad
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Baruch Student Baruch Student (Nov 14 2016 9:21AM) : Sexy, Audacious and Thrilling
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Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy (Dec 07 2016 5:40PM) : Cool, seductive, convoluted
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Polina Smelyanskaya Polina Smelyanskaya (Dec 16 2016 3:57PM) : adjectives more

Three adjectives I would use to describe the movie are seductive, suspenseful, and complicated

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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 1:49AM) : Entertaining, enthralling, and expansive.
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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 8:08PM) : Adjectives more

Cryptic, thrilling, suspenseful

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The point is that Hawks had no intention of putting Bogart through the kind of professional crisis an moral self-examination basic to a picture like The Maltese Falcon and to Chandler's novel.—Bruce Kawin

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 10:51AM) : So how is Bogart's character different from the one Hemingway created?
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Albi Kallashi Albi Kallashi (Oct 11 2016 8:39PM) : Difference on Bogart's Character more

In the big sleep, Bogart’s character is even more playful than the one on to have and have not. He can flirt and drink his way out very charmingly from any situation.

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James Kang James Kang (Oct 21 2016 4:46PM) : i agree more

i agree with albi, bogart’s character is very sarcastic in this film, his interaction with other characters is very playful in a sarcastic way.

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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 8:17PM) : Bogart's Character more

Bogart’s character was different because he breaks the character of being an detective. He become more flirty to the ladies with changing is voice also his body language

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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Oct 19 2016 7:55AM) : Bogart's two characters. more

The two characters are very similar in their personalities. They are both mature, witty and cynical. But compared to the “Steve” Morgan from To have or have not, the deep detective Marlowe seems to have more principals for his behaviors which kept him focusing on his path. This is reflected in many scenes especially the scene he rejected Vivian’s temptation of letting him quit his deeper discovery in the restaurant. Therefore, I think Marlowe is a deeper man with a sophisticated inner mind.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 20 2016 7:52AM) : Harry Morgan. The word is principles
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nicholas marrero nicholas marrero (Oct 20 2016 9:21PM) : Differences in character interpretations more

When it comes to film and novel adaptations it is sometimes recognizable to see differences in character interpretations. And how changes can happen. The same can be said for Bogarts character. Bogart brings about an amusing and humorous type of personality as opposed to other adaptions. Even apparent in big Sleep with his interactions with others and using this to handle various situations,.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:39AM) : as opposed to other adaptations of Chandler?
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Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy (Dec 07 2016 11:29PM) : Other Chandler adaptations seem to work the same way. more

The Long Goodbye, directed by Altman, is one of my favorite movies. Marlowe, played by Elliott Gould, is just as cynical, cool, and humorous as the one Bogart plays in The Big Sleep. There are some differences; for one Elliott Gould is not as seductive as the version of Marlowe played by Bogart is. Still, the core characteristics of Marlowe are there and they very much are an important part in giving these movies a noir feel. The Long Goodbye isn’t your typical detective film noir, but that’s because Altman has a different palate and vision, especially during the time he made it (the early 70s).

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Teamika Jeffrey Teamika Jeffrey (Oct 21 2016 9:26AM) : His witty comments continue. more

The Big Sleep continued to showcase the how Bogart can get away with dominating his co-stars with his witty phrases. The difference in his two characters is minimal even more his Bogart"s transformation more rough when he interacts with Eddie Mars.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 22 2016 12:17PM) : Hard to follow. Seems garbled.
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One of the best-known of all Hollywood anecdotes involves the movie's confusing plot, based on the equally confusing novel by Raymond Chandler. Lauren Bacall recalls in her autobiography, "One day Bogie came on the set and said to Howard, 'Who pushed Taylor off the pier?' Everything stopped." As A.M. Sperber and Eric Lax write in "Bogart," "Hawks sent Chandler a telegram asking whether the Sternwood's chauffeur, Owen Taylor, was murdered or a suicide. 'Dammit I didn't know either,' " Chandler recalled. And Chandler later wrote to his publisher, "The girl who played the nymphy sister (Martha Vickers) was so good she shattered Miss Bacall completely. So they cut the picture in such a way that all her best scenes were left out except one. The result made nonsense and Howard Hawks threatened to sue... After long argument, as I hear it, he went back and did a lot of re-shooting."

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Polina Smelyanskaya Polina Smelyanskaya (Dec 16 2016 3:58PM) : author's role more

Makes you think about the nature of art, and how even the author sometimes doesn’t know “who did it” or other details about the plot. Shows that a work can live outside of the author’s perception of it.

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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 8:12PM) : I agree with this. more

Sometimes it all depends on perspective. Everyone thought “all her best scenes were left out except one,” but to the director, he might have viewed it to be the most fitting scenes for her role.

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It is typical of this most puzzling of films that no one agrees even on why it is so puzzling. Yet that has never affected "The Big Sleep's" enduring popularity, because the movie is about the process of a criminal investigation, not its results.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 10:53AM) : Why is the film so popular even though it is flawed and confusing?
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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Oct 20 2016 12:45PM) : Popular more

The chemistry in this movie is spot on. I think that has a big part of why its so popular. Bogart and Becall can keep any audience intrigued.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:21AM) : What is most intriguing about them?
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Luke Senkbeil Luke Senkbeil (Oct 21 2016 2:39PM) : Intriguing more

Their relationship is intriguing to me because you can tell Bogart and Bacall’s characters are falling for each other but you’re not sure it it’s going to actually work out for them.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 22 2016 12:16PM) : Right. There is some suspense involved.
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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Dec 15 2016 2:46PM) : reply to Luke more

I couldn’t agree with you more, its so intriguing that you’re hanging off your seat. Its really suspenseful that you can’t wait to find out if it works out.

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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Dec 15 2016 2:44PM) : intriguing more

What’s so intriguing about them is that you’re watching these two characters fall for each other and it so sexy. You can’t look away.

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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Oct 20 2016 6:07PM) : Why the film so popular? more

The subtlety of The Big Sleep is that it condensed four ambiguous mysteries from its original novel into a two hours film. As an audience, we were always cliff-hanging to find out the real truth, but every time we got a little closer to it, more suspense appeared. So I think this exhausting way of storying-telling exactly provided a sort of fantastic view experience and that is the reason for it to stay classical in the history of film noir. By the way…. I believed that any movie at that time with the name of Bogart and Bacall would have a favorable guarantee on its box office earnings actually…

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nicholas marrero nicholas marrero (Oct 20 2016 9:31PM) : Film popularity more

When we go to the movies we are engaged in the movie going experience. Hanging on to the edge of our seat as we are drawn into the film with the suspense that comes into it as well. The same applies to the big Sleep. Which is where it succeeds. In terms of the mystery it provides through the duration of the film. How it is handled and the suspense that comes along with it which is quite brilliant. Surely elements such as these in the film draw audiences attention.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:25AM) : How is the mystery handled?
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Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy (Dec 07 2016 11:35PM) : Just when you think you've figured it out, you realize you haven't, everytime. [Edited] more

The suspense in The Big Sleep is built off of the conflict between characters, particularly between Bogart and Bacall. Conflict in this case isn’t necessarily a battle of good vs. evil, but of the two coming together vs. not coming together. Kind of like in The Cherry Orchard by Chekhov, the plot is meaningless and happens off stage most of the time without us paying attention because, quite simply, we are too preoccupied with watching what is presently on screen. It is a mystery in and of itself because we have hints thrown at us all the time, but to only shortly after have our attention is thrown in the other direction (Bogart and Bacall’s direction). We keep trying to figure it out, but we never will.

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Student Ebony Wheeler Student Ebony Wheeler (Oct 20 2016 10:23PM) : Agree more

With big stars of the time of course this would be a popular movie. But I also agree with you that it’s because of its ambiguity and that audiences want to know find out the truth. We want to know what happens at the end. With this movie, everytime you see it you can get a different meaning or catch something you didn’t see before.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:26AM) : Good point. The film gives us reasons for wanting to see it again or think about it.
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Luke Senkbeil Luke Senkbeil (Oct 21 2016 1:35PM) : I agree with Ebony more

The film is very confusing and you do feel you need to watch it again to fully understand it. Not only that but I think once you start discussing it with other people that have seen it you would get a new perspective and would want to see it again.

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Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy (Dec 08 2016 12:53AM) : I agree Ebony. more

“every time you see it you can get a different meaning or catch something you didn’t see before”, is a perfect way to describe the effect the movie has on future viewings. The fact is that there is no answer, and so every time you rewatch it, hoping that you will find a new detail that will help you understand what’s going in, you end up coming to a dead end. But reaching that dead end isn’t as bad as it sounds, because you still manage to pick up on subtleties that weren’t noticeable before, but help add a new dimension to the story.

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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Dec 09 2016 10:56PM) : In addition. more

The refined and sophisticated script language also gives the audiences the desire to rewatch it again. As a detective film without suspenses for second time audiences, this film still contains reasons for them to review it and that is sufficient to prove how great it is.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:24AM) : The sense of romance perhaps holds it together. Otherwise the audience might get frustrated.
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Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy (Dec 08 2016 1:18AM) : Film Noir relies on on the romance? more

It’s interesting to consider whether not having a romance would make a noir film fail. David Fincher’s Se7en, Coen brothers’s Fargo, and Refn’s Drive are all arguably film noir without a femme fatale. All the the other standards apply (for instance a cool and cynical protagonist, beside Fargo at least). It is also interesting to consider other film noir that does have a love interest. Take Le Samourai with Alain Delon in role of the cool detective. The love interest is a girl working at a club where Alain assassinated the owner of the club. She was called as a witness to the crime, and spares Alain of being guilty. This all happens in the first 30 minutes. We don’t hear or see her again after this until the very end. The entire second act happens with eyes all on Alain. And in the second act all we do is watch how Alain goes about his life. Yet, the second act is extremely entertaining and interesting to watch, regardless of the little plot that is developed.

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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Dec 09 2016 11:26PM) : The sense of Romance. [Edited] more

In fact, in the novel, there is no obvious romance existed between Marlowe and Vivian but few crippling chemistry. This is allowed for a detective novel in which a tough guy was set as the main character, but not rich enough for a classical Hollywood narrative. Marlowe’s romance with the Femme Fatale Vivian makes this film full of spectacles and ease the sense of depression created by the suspense.

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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 1:56AM) : To be honest, I expected to see more of a romantic relationship between Bogart and the Librarian across the street. They seemed to have more of an instant connection than did Bogart and Bacall.
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Arisleidy Amarante Arisleidy Amarante (Oct 20 2016 11:54PM) : Film popularity more

The audience gets attached to the characters and the story because of the combination of duration and suspense. It is so strong with the story telling that when cliff hangers happen, we react and want to know whats going to happen next. Even if its confusing for some or not, having something unsolved makes us interested to figure out what it is and what will happen next.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:44AM) : duration?
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Teamika Jeffrey Teamika Jeffrey (Oct 21 2016 9:40AM) : The suspense of Bogarts next move. more

Bogart’s character portray his as a lady’s man. Even in the Big Sleep him and Macall creates an attraction. Even though, this is a good reason to watch, I believe it’s more about the suspense that drew the audience in. Bogart character is use to being the hero but in the Big Sleep it took a long, strategic path to get there.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 22 2016 12:18PM) : You need to write more carefully. The grammar and proofreading are not very good.
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James Kang James Kang (Oct 21 2016 4:52PM) : film more

The film is popular because it has star power, Bogart and Bacall are very famous actors, also Humphrey Bogart is very humorous and charismatic in the film. Bacall is also mysterious and seductive.

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Baruch Student Baruch Student (Nov 14 2016 9:35AM) : The film is so popular because it finds a way around the rules. more

The film is so popular because it finds a way around the rules. Typically in stories that involve mysteries there is an unsaid rule that the mystery must be solved. Also the new rules and regulations on films Hollywood produced sex could not be outright spoken about on screen and other things had regulation placed upon them. Therefore the film broke two rules, one unspoken and the other which was directly given.

There is never a result from the investigation the audience is drawn to the story because until the end they do not know that there will be no result. Ontop of that Geiger as a book store clerk that locks the door and drinks with Marlowe, and later talks with double meaning about horse racing/sex at a restaurant is daring and defiantly draws the audience in.

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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 1:53AM) : Aside from being a good film, it garnered most of its popularity from its star lineup - Humphrey Bogart and Laura Bacall
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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 8:22PM) : Puzzling more

I would believe that no one agrees that the film was puzzling because they like how the film was made. With the actors being romantic and Bogart breaks his image of being of detective because its something new that people usually don’t see in the film. People enjoy the film so the film stays popular.

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Polina Smelyanskaya Polina Smelyanskaya (Dec 16 2016 3:59PM) : “No one agrees on why it’s so puzzling, and yet it’s popularity has endured.” more
It’s about the process of the investigation, not its results. That’s how I found the novel to be, as well. I found myself wondering less and less about the final results and more just getting sucked into the narrative of the story.
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The process follows private eye Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) as he finds his way through the jungle of gamblers, pornographers, killers and blackmailers who have attached themselves to the rich old general (Charles Waldron) and his two randy daughters (Bacall and Vickers). Some bad guys get killed and others get arrested, and we don't much care--because the real result is that Bogart and Lauren Bacall end up in each other's arms. "The Big Sleep" is a lust story with a plot about a lot of other things.

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Polina Smelyanskaya Polina Smelyanskaya (Dec 16 2016 4:01PM) : Chemistry between Bacall and Bogart more
It would make sense that the film would be “a lust story with a plot about a lot of other things” because Hollywood executives would be interested more in bringing Bacall and Bogart onto the screen to draw in audiences than in the intricacies of Faulkner’s novel.
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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 8:25PM) : Agree with with Polina more

It would make sense of Bacall and Bogart to have lust because Hollywood film must have romance in it. With a twist of Bogart falling for the general daughter, which is interesting to the audience.

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Polina Smelyanskaya Polina Smelyanskaya (Dec 16 2016 4:00PM) : “The Big Sleep” is a lust story with a plot about a lot of other things.” more
This is so typical of Hollywood, though, especially at this moment in time. While the driving force of the film is not purely romance, it is surely always looming over the rest of the narrative.

That can be seen more clearly now that an earlier version of the film has surfaced. "The Big Sleep" was finished by Warner Brothers in 1945, but held out of release while the studio rushed to play off its backlog of World War II movies. Meanwhile, ongoing events greatly affected its future. Hawks' "To Have and Have Not" (1944), Bacall's screen debut, was an enormous hit, and the onscreen chemistry between her and Bogart was sizzling ("You know how to whistle, don't you, Steve? You just put your lips together and blow.") Bacall then starred opposite Charles Boyer in "Confidential Agent" (1945) and got withering reviews. And she and Bogart were married (she was 20, he was 44).

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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 8:32PM) : Bogart scene more

This was a famous scene in the movie, when she told him to put his lips together. Here you can see that there is a romance between two of them. She is flirting with him while making it not to easy for him to get her. This clip attracts the viewers attention if Bogart gets her or not.

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Bacall's powerful agent, Charles Feldman, who disliked the version he saw, wrote studio head Jack Warner in desperation, asking that scenes be eliminated, added and reshot. Otherwise, he warned, Bacall was likely to get more bad reviews, damaging the career of a promising star who was married to the studio's biggest money-maker.

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Polina Smelyanskaya Polina Smelyanskaya (Dec 16 2016 4:03PM) : reviews more

The final cut of the film is based on Bacall’s reviews, which is significant. On one hand, it is perfectly understandable that a bad review for Bacall is a bad review for the film. On the other hand, though, reshooting the film based on “damaging the career of a promising star who was married to the studio’s biggest money-maker” somewhat questions the integrity of the filmmaking process. This is a good reminder of the values and priorities of the Hollywood star system.

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Polina Smelyanskaya Polina Smelyanskaya (Dec 16 2016 4:04PM) : counter more

This not to say, though, that these reshoots were not successful in maintaining the integrity of the novel. It is still important, I think, to question and scrutinize the motives behind decisions made about the film’s structure and the moments it chooses to highlight from the original work.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 17 2016 8:14AM) : Films sometimes come together by accident and are better than anyone could suppose they would be. Hollywood film is always a matter of commercial and esthetic considerations.

Warner agreed, and Hawks returned to the sound stages with his actors for reshoots. Bacall's book minimizes this process: "Howard ... did need one more scene between Bogie and me." Actually, he needed a lot more than that. The 1945 release, now restored by archivists at UCLA, is accompanied by a detailed documentary showing what was left out and what was brand new when the movie was finally released in 1946.

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What Feldman missed, he said, was the "insolence" that Bacall showed in "To Have and Have Not." In the original version of "The Big Sleep," the relationship between Bogart and Bacall is problematical: Marlowe isn't sure whether he trusts this cool, elegant charmer. The 1946 version commits to their romance, and adds among other scenes one of the most daring examples of double entendre in any movie up until that time. The new scene puts Bacall and Bogart in a nightclub, where they are only ostensibly talking about horse racing:

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Polina Smelyanskaya Polina Smelyanskaya (Dec 16 2016 4:04PM) : “The most daring examples of double entendre in any movie up until that time” more
It is fascinating the way that limitations, in terms of censorship, can enhance the subversive nature of a work. Because the characters cannot speak frankly about sex, they instead talk about horse racing to allude to it. This creates, in my opinion, an entirely different but still potent version of “scandalized” speech.
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Bacall:"...speaking of horses, I like to play them myself. But I like to see them work out a little first. See if they're front-runners or come from behind... I'd say you don't like to be rated. You like to get out in front, open up a lead, take a little breather in the back stretch, and then come home free...."Bogart:"You've got a touch of class, but I don't know how far you can go." Bacall:"A lot depends on who's in the saddle."

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What you sense here is the enjoyable sight of two people who are in love and enjoy toying with one another. The new scenes add a charge to the film that was missing in the 1945 version; this is a case where "studio interference" was exactly the right thing. The only reason to see the earlier version is to go behind the scenes, to learn how the tone and impact of a movie can be altered with just a few scenes. (The accompanying documentary even shows how dialog was redubbed to get a slightly different spin.)

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Polina Smelyanskaya Polina Smelyanskaya (Dec 16 2016 4:06PM) : small details more

It is so interesting to consider the ways that small details can impact a film. The ways that the “tone and impact can be altered with just a few scenes” is especially crucial when thinking about the adaptation of novel to film. The message or impact of the original work can be altered tremendously with seemingly small changes to the film. The two works are then able to exist outside of one another, while still giving the audience a chance to critically consider the film with the novel in mind.

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As for the 1946 version that we have been watching all of these years, it is one of the great film noirs, a black-and-white symphony that exactly reproduces Chandler's ability, on the page, to find a tone of voice that keeps its distance, and yet is wry and humorous and cares. Working from Chandler's original words and adding spins of their own, the writers (William Faulkner, Jules Furthman and Leigh Brackett) wrote one of the most quotable of screenplays: It's unusual to find yourself laughing in a movie not because something is funny but because it's so wickedly clever. (Marlowe on the "nymphy" kid sister: "She tried to sit in my lap while I was standing up.") Unlike modern crime movies which are loaded with action, "The Big Sleep" is heavy with dialogue--the characters talk and talk, just like in the Chandler novels; it's as if there's a competition to see who has the most verbal style.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 10:55AM) : Talk is usually minimized in screenplays, but in this one it is not. Why?
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Albi Kallashi Albi Kallashi (Oct 18 2016 11:30AM) : Minimized talk more

I believe this happens due to the complexity of the movie genre, and specifically to this as it gets quite confusing at certain parts.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 19 2016 7:40AM) : I don't understand how your response answers the question. It is quite vague.
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Sade Sampson Sade Sampson (Oct 22 2016 12:10AM) : in my opinion I believe the talking is adding to the confusion of the film, leaving the viewer tuned and questioning the events occurring in the movie, a way to hook the viewer.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 22 2016 12:24PM) : If it is your opinion, then you don't need to say I believe, and if it is what you believe, you don't need to say in my opinion.
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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Oct 20 2016 6:09PM) : Refined language, thoughts of wisdom and metaphors in exactly right place have always been the dialogues style of Chandler’s novels which attract readers to repeat his language over and over again. more

Faulkner knows it and what he did was just carrying them out and applying in the film. And in some cases, linguistic wisdom is even more important than understanding the blur plots. For example,the discussions full of linguistic flirting and metaphor on sex between Marlowe and Vivian on “horse racing” is a classical example showing how impressive and subtle the dialogues are.

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nicholas marrero nicholas marrero (Oct 20 2016 9:39PM) : In regard to GuangXing Li comment more

Yes. I completely agree. Dialogue when usd properly can evoke emotions, desires and motivations among characters within the film. The same applies to th big sleep. As you mentioned regarding the flirting between Marlowe and Vivian is a brilliant use in the film

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:29AM) : Hawks was a master at adapting dialogue to the actor's style. He would ask the actor to change lines to suit the actor's delivery.
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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Dec 15 2016 2:58PM) : reply to Nicholas more

I couldn’t agree with you more. Dialogue creates emotions. The audience gets a sense of what the character is looking for based on what is said and how it is said.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:28AM) : I am not sure why linguistic wisdom is. Do you mean wit? Thoughts of wisdom sounds like the characters are thinking about wisdom. Clarify
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Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy (Dec 07 2016 11:42PM) : I do believe what GaunXing meant was wit. [Edited] more

Linguistic wisdom in the context of GuanXing’s comment is essentially synonymous to wit. However, there also another point to the wit, and that it is subtle. There are no explicit moments where you can imagine a laugh track being put in. It is all very much in how invested the viewer is in the character. This is why the things they say come off as wise; they fit perfectly to the characters personalities and sense of humor, and because of this it is not phony dialogue, but instead something along the lines of subtle wise wit (not in a philosophical or moral sense).

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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Dec 09 2016 11:37PM) : Yes, I do mean the amazing wits and incisive flew back between the characters. And Marlowe is always a wisecracking cynic under Chanlder's writing.
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Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy (Oct 20 2016 9:45PM) : This is movie about the characters, but not in the typical rise and fall, overcoming obstacles way. [Edited] more
The movie grounds itself in the characters, the wittiness, hard-boiledness, and the love between Bogard and Bacall. To substitute the lack of a coherent plot, the attention is rather diverted to the interactions between the characters. To maximize this way of shooting a movie requires an extensive amount of dialogue. And the dialogue in The Big Sleep might just be the best part about this movie.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:40AM) : Dialogue and character development carry the film. Bogart, not Bogard.
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Arisleidy Amarante Arisleidy Amarante (Oct 20 2016 11:59PM) : Dialogue helps show and increase character development. It is a tool to express emotion and what they are capable of. Plus with good dialogue brings awesome opportunities for other characters to clash in the same scene and something will come out of it.
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Teamika Jeffrey Teamika Jeffrey (Oct 21 2016 9:50AM) : Going inside his head. more

In screenplays the narrator usually tells what is going on but in the Big Sleep we get to hear the back and forth banter of characters and go into the mind of the detective.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 22 2016 12:19PM) : Most screenplays do not have narrators.
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James Kang James Kang (Oct 21 2016 5:57PM) : not because more

Talk is not minimized in this screen play because maybe Hawks wanted to take the film in a different direction. Hawks could have included witty dialogue to differentiate his film noir from other film noirs. Hawks succeed in this task because the film is noted for it’s witty lines

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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Oct 27 2016 12:24PM) : Emotions and Expressions more

Perhaps the use of increased dialogue is meant to shift the audiences attention to the physical and visual hints at the detail of the film. Almost as the other senses pick up the slack for lack of one, with minimal dialogue the focus is to pay attention to whatever is said, however when dialogue is increased physical and social cues become less used and must be paid attention to with more importance.

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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 8:32PM) : Verbal communication versus non verbal more

Verbal dialogue between the characters adds another layer of personality the roles that they are trying to portray. Although body language and facial expressions can convey many things, by adding a lot of verbal dialogue, you get a sense of their personality and wit.

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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Dec 15 2016 2:56PM) : minimized talk more

It is different in this film because you need dialogue for these characters. How can their relationship development without talk. They have to flirt with each other somehow.

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Student Ebony Wheeler Student Ebony Wheeler (Dec 15 2016 3:01PM) : Because its a film about a detective and mystery and it requires a lot of dialogue between charcters.
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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 2:04AM) : I would imagine that its for the very same reason that a film like His Girl Friday had heavy dialogue. The dialogue in His Girl Friday is actually the most important aspect of the film.
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Polina Smelyanskaya Polina Smelyanskaya (Dec 16 2016 4:07PM) : The film “exactly reproduces Chandler’s ability, on the page, to find a tone of voice that keeps its distance” more

I am interested to see the original version, because I did find that the film remained quite true to Chandler’s novel. It seems that the few changes made in tone and dialogue really made this film a version of the novel that can both stand on its own, and work seamlessly with the original text.

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Luke Senkbeil Luke Senkbeil (Oct 21 2016 2:58PM) : More of a compliment than a comment but more

“She tried to sit in my lap while I was standing up.” is one of the funniest/wittiest lines in movie history. I definitely got a good laugh out of it.

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Martha Vickers was indeed electric as the kid sister, and Dorothy Malone all but steals her scene as a book clerk who finds Marlowe intriguing. But the 1945 version makes it clear Bacall was by no means as bad as Feldman feared she was: She is adequate in most scenes, and splendid in others--but the scenes themselves didn't give her the opportunities that the reshoot did. In scenes like the "racing" conversation she has the dry reserve, the private amusement, the way of sizing up a man and enjoying the competition, that became her trademark. It's astonishing to realize she was 20, untrained as an actor, and by her own report scared to death.

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Polina Smelyanskaya Polina Smelyanskaya (Dec 16 2016 4:08PM) : Bacall's inexperience more

It is surprising to learn that Bacall was untrained as an actor and also apparently very scared when shooting this film. She has such a command in her scenes, and I found her to be very confident and controlled.

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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 8:18PM) : Her acting was very convincing. more

I found this very interesting too. I felt that Bacall fit into role really well. Her expressions and her demeanor did not show that she was actually untrained as an actor.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 17 2016 8:17AM) : Bacall was fortunate to have the help of a great director and a great actor, Bogart, who was also in love with her and very supportive. She did not have to fake a romance.

Bogart himself made personal style into an art form. What else did he have? He wasn't particularly handsome, he wore a rug, he wasn't tall ("I try to be," he tells Vickers), and he always seemed to act within a certain range. Yet no other movie actor is more likely to be remembered a century from now. And the fascinating subtext in "The Big Sleep" is that in Bacall he found his match.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 10:56AM) : What accounts for Bogart's appeal?
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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Oct 20 2016 6:10PM) : I think Marlowe and bogart both have some similar temperaments that attract people. more

They both look cynical, stubborn but self-disciplined and extremely insisted on their decisions. Even if they do not have a superior appearance, these qualities of a hardcore gentleman will remain them mysterious and provide a fatal attraction to women.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:30AM) : Well put
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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 2:12AM) : For the very same reason that Temple Drake fell for The Candy Man in Sanctuary. The "Candy" here is that element of mystery and uncommonness. That what women are captivated by, no matter what race or culture.
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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Dec 15 2016 3:00PM) : reply to Li more

I couldn’t agree with you more. Both of these characters are so intriguing, you love to look at them. Bogarts character was so mysterious that any women would fall for him.

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Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy (Oct 20 2016 10:15PM) : Couple things more
He’s always cool and composed. He responds with straight to the point lines that have a bit of a sarcastic element to them (which in a way is charismatic). He is also pragmatic and a man of action — he likes dealing with issues using the gun he has in his hand and the gun in his mouth. All at the same time he is kind of lonely but totally stone faced about it (and everything else), which makes him seem mysterious.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:43AM) : Marlowe has a lot of self-discipline
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Arisleidy Amarante Arisleidy Amarante (Oct 21 2016 12:11AM) : Bogart and Marlowe are similar by that fact they both tough in the streets and clever, but honest and kind. Their manner of speaking are particularly witty and cocky, straight to the point.
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Luke Senkbeil Luke Senkbeil (Oct 21 2016 1:53PM) : Doesn't get much cooler than Marlowe more

Bogart as Marlowe is super charismatic character that has a way with his words. You immediately like Marlowe. He’s very witty and funny with lines like how he became a detective from the book ‘how to be a detective in ten easy lessons.’ He can take a joke but knows when to get serious. Guys want to be him and girls want to be with him.

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James Kang James Kang (Oct 21 2016 5:03PM) : Bogart's appeal more

Bogart is a great actor, the timing of his lines, and his body language are all very charismatic. He also develops great chemistry with the lead female and looks very comfortable on screen

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Baruch Student Baruch Student (Nov 14 2016 9:39AM) : Characteristics more

Bogart’s appeal is due to his cynicism as well as his ability to reject a women that clearly wants him. Unfortunate but true women tend to be more attracted to men that do not want them, so for women in the audience to see Bogart engaging conversations layered in subtext and still wanting to walk away makes him all the more appealing.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Nov 15 2016 7:02AM) : I think he is more subtle than you suggest. He does not reject women but resists in a witty, reserved way that makes him attractive.
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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 2:14AM) : Absolutely. The idea being not to appear too accessible or wanting in any way.
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I believe his quick wit and the way he wore his clothes accounts for his appeal.

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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 8:23PM) : Personality and demeanor more

I think his personality and demeanor attribute to Bogart’s appeal. The way he interacted with the other women and his wit is very alluring.

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You can see it in his eyes: Sure, he's in love, but there's something else, too. He was going through a messy breakup with his wife, Mayo, when they shot the picture. He was drinking so heavily he didn't turn up some days, and Hawks had to shoot around him. He saw this coltish 20-year-old not only as his love but perhaps as his salvation. That's the undercurrent. It may not have been fun to live through, but it creates a kind of joyous, desperate tension on the screen. And since the whole idea of film noir was to live through unspeakable experiences and keep your cool, this was the right screenplay for this time in his life.

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Howard Hawks (1896-1977) is one of the great American directors of pure movies ("His Girl Friday," "Bringing Up Baby," "Red River," "Rio Bravo"), and a hero of auteur critics because he found his own laconic values in many different kinds of genre material. He once defined a good movie as "three great scenes and no bad scenes." Comparing the two versions of "The Big Sleep" reveals that the reshoots inserted one of the great scenes, and removed some of the bad ones, neatly proving his point.—Roger Ebert

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The Big Sleep (1946) is one of Raymond Chandler's best hard-boiled detective mysteries transformed into a film noir, private detective film classic. This successful adaptation of Chandler's 1939 novel was from his first Philip Marlowe novel. [Chandler took segments of two of his own, previously-published stories that appeared in Black Mask magazine: "Killer in the Rain," and "The Curtain."] It was directed by the legendary Howard Hawks, scripted by Nobel laureate William Faulkner (with additional assistance from Leigh Brackett and Jules Furthman), and scored by composer Max Steiner.

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The Big Sleep is the best example of a classic Warner Bros. mystery. It is a very complex, confusing, logic-defying whodunit with a quintessential private detective (Marlowe), false leads, unforgettable dialogue and wisecracks, raw-edged characters, sexy women (including the two daughters of a dying millionaire, a bookseller, and others), tough action, gunplay, a series of electrifying scenes, and screen violence. Although a classic film noir, it has no flashbacks, no voice-over narration, and little evidence of expressionistic images. The film was not recognized by the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences in any of its award categories.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 10:57AM) : Starting on Today We Live, Hawks told Faulkner no flashbacks. Why?
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Md. Waliour Rahman Saikat Md. Waliour Rahman Saikat (Oct 13 2016 6:52PM) : Faulkner was talented and skilled in screenplay.. more

Although Faulkner was experienced in script writing, Hawks did not take risk making film with flashbacks, but he instructed Faulkner to be ease in the process of making film. Also, he focused on character development and keep the story in right flow. Besides, there could be time or film budget concerns too.

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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Oct 20 2016 12:49PM) : Flashbacks more

I agree with what you’re saying about the character development. I believe Hawks did not want flashbacks in this film because it would lose its mystery and the overall film couldn’t develop.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:21AM) : True, although sometimes flashbacks can create mystery.
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Oct 27 2016 12:33PM) : Flashbacks more

Perhaps in this case Hawks was worried the flashbacks would be seen as an answer to the mysteries. Although this would clear up the story line, flashbacks would provide insight into the character’s personality that the audience is to figure out for themselves via the timeline of the film without flashbacks.

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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Dec 15 2016 2:49PM) : reply to Jake more

I couldn’t agree with you more. Flashbacks are a guide to a character. Flashbacks leave no mystery. They create answers and perhaps that’s why he didn’t use the,

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Baruch Student Baruch Student (Nov 14 2016 9:42AM) : I agree. more

I agree I think the Faulkner was told not to do flashbacks in order to give the characters more time to develop. This relies heavily on mystery so if Faulkner just outright explained each character using flashbacks it would take away from the ambiguous feeling surrounding the characters in the story.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Nov 15 2016 7:03AM) : Flashbacks interrupt the action.
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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Oct 20 2016 6:11PM) : Why no flashback? [Edited] more

The reason for The big sleep without flashback as well as Today As We are different. In The big sleep, Hawks preferred the story without flashback because he wanted it to be more straight forward like what it is in the novel. It is the easiest way of storytelling but created most suspense.

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nicholas marrero nicholas marrero (Oct 20 2016 9:52PM) : No Flashbacks? more

As far as flashbacks go it depends on the direction and vision originally intended for it’s adaptation. I know initially it was to slowly ease into the film making process. Not using flashabacks would of allowed a more direct form of storytelling . Flashbacks might have deteriorated certain elements of the film such as the mystery it provides to it’s audience.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:41AM) : its not it's
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At time, it was Faulkner’s first film. Hawk wanted him to stay focus and concentrate on the basics. Since he was in experienced in films flashbacks may have complicated things

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Arisleidy Amarante Arisleidy Amarante (Oct 21 2016 12:18AM) : Hawks told Faulkner no flashbacks because he didn't want to have the backstories ruin the flow of mysterious and suspense in the present timeline. Flashbacks always give extra information whether its plot related or not.
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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 8:25PM) : Flashbacks more

In a sense I agree with this. Flashblacks tend to give out extra information to the audience, but it can also be used to build anticipation for what’s to come.

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Luke Senkbeil Luke Senkbeil (Oct 21 2016 2:03PM) : No need more

There are a lot of reasons for no flashbacks like others have mentioned. Character development, time, budget, etc but I think the biggest one for the Big Sleep is it would make the film that much more confusing. Already hard to follow (I had to rewind quite a few times) why would add the flashbacks to this complex mystery story.

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Polina Smelyanskaya Polina Smelyanskaya (Dec 16 2016 4:08PM) : Flashback reply more

This may be to keep the narrative moving forward. Although a successful flashback would not necessarily keep the story from flowing, it takes away from the immediacy of the story. For the action to keep moving forward, the story must remain in the moment. this might help build excitement and keep an audience engaged in the immediate aspects of the film, like fast-paced dialogue that is crucial to the story.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 17 2016 8:18AM) : Television is usually a lot of flashbacks now to make the audience curious about why characters act as they do.
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The main protagonists in the convoluted film appear equally as confused about the plot (the who did what to whom, what, when, and why questions) during clue-chasing as audiences on first viewing. [The seven killings are marked below by numbers - one of the seven occurred before the film's action.] What makes things especially perplexing is that important characters involved in the plot never appear alive on screen (e.g. Owen Taylor and Sean Regan), several other characters appear only momentarily or are rapidly dispatched, and important information is deliberately missing.

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Polina Smelyanskaya Polina Smelyanskaya (Dec 16 2016 4:09PM) : Taylor and Regan more

That we don’t see certain characters alive on screen contributes to the immediacy of the narrative. These characters are arguably more important to the story dead than they are alive. We are not meant to see the events that transpired before Marlowe came into the picture. The story is more about Marlowe solving this mystery, than the mystery itself.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 17 2016 8:19AM) : Well put.

The Production Code of the time wouldn't have condoned the exposition of explicit details of portions of the depraved plot anyway (the references to drug use, Carmen's nymphomania, the pornography racket, and the homosexual relationship between Lundgren and Geiger). Without a voice-over narrative, the audience is allowed to follow the point-of-view experiences of the detective and conclude what they want about his search for solutions to the confused puzzle. What is much more important than the basic blackmail-murder plot is the stylish method and process of the private detective's quest, that the viewer identifies with and shares, as he makes his way through the murky world of nasty crime from one oppressive setting to the next, or from one wicked character, fallen woman, or femme fatale to another, until eventually discovering love with his female protagonist.

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Although the film was released in mid-1946, it was actually filmed mostly in the fall of 1944 (about six months before Bacall and Bogart were married). [Pictures of President Franklin D. Roosevelt on walls, in the Acme Book store, and in the detective's office hint that the film was shot mainly in late 1944, and finished in early 1945. By mid-1946 when the film was released, after awaiting the release of other war-themed films, FDR had been dead for a year.]

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In 1997, the original 1945 pre-release version of the film was discovered - it was the film originally intended for release by Warner Bros, but shelved (except for a few showings overseas to US troops in August 1945). The dialogue in the recently-restored first version, with a total of eighteen never-before-seen minutes, rendered the incomprehensible, labryinthine plot more clearly by revealing plot points. But the pre-release version did not include two of Lauren Bacall's re-shot scenes found only in the second version - their second bedroom scene at the Sternwoods and the notorious nightclub scene with racy dialogue about horse-racing and saddles.

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The commonly-seen version of this big-budgeted film included some of the toughest, most sexually-electric, innuendo-filled dialogue in film history between its two main leads, Bogart and Bacall (an off-screen romantic couple fulfilling their romance on-screen). Their sexy pairing in Hawks' earlier To Have and Have Not (1944) was one of the main reasons why new scenes were shot (e.g., the famous 'horse-race' dialogue) and the film was re-worked - to emphasis the stars' earlier 'chemistry,' romance, and insolent interplay. This follow-up film was the second of five films that brought Bogart and Bacall together:

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To Have and Have Not (1944), d. Howard Hawks
The Big Sleep (1946), d. Howard Hawks
Two Guys From Milwaukee (1946), d. David Butler; Bogart and Bacall appear in cameos
Dark Passage (1947), d. Delmer Daves
Key Largo (1948), d. John Huston
The atmosphere of the film is dark and paranoic - full of suspicion, dread, and intrigue. The film's title, The Big Sleep, refers to death. Blackmailers and murderers commit their ill deeds (gambling, pornography, vice, perversion) while the world continues on its course, almost asleep. Marlowe's single-handed pursuit and investigation of pervasive corruption and treachery is met with deception, threats of extermination, and violence (although most of the killings are discreetly committed off-screen). Robert Mitchum reprised the role of Marlowe in the remade UK classic mystery The Big Sleep (1978), with the setting transferred from a 1940s Los Angeles to an updated 1970s London.

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The Story
Behind the credits, a silhouetted couple light cigarettes, and then leave them burning in an ashtray. In the opening sequence, an unidentified hand and finger press in the doorbell buzzer of a mansion doorway. A hard-boiled, laconic, intelligent, and cynical private detective Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) arrives at a lavish mansion. [Bogart played the part of Marlowe only once.] The Los Angeles gumshoe is there to consult with wealthy, aging and dying, dessicated, wheelchair-bound "General" Sternwood (Charles Waldron), a rich widower:

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My name's Marlowe. General Sternwood wanted to see me.

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On the way in, he meets one of the General's two alluring and sexy daughters, the younger, troubled, errant, thumb-biting, frequently doped-up nymphomaniacal heiress Carmen (Martha Vickers), wearing a white polka-dot miniskirt. He notices her legs after she descends the stairs. Capriciously, she tells him:

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Carmen: You're not very tall, are you? Marlowe: Well, I, uh, I try to be. Carmen: Not bad looking. Oh you probably know it. (while twirling and biting a lock of her hair)
Marlowe: Thank you. Carmen: What's your name? Marlowe: Reilly. Doghouse Reilly. Carmen: That's a funny kind of name. Marlowe: You think so. Carmen: Uh, uh. What are you? A prizefighter? Marlowe: No, I'm a shamus. Carmen: What's a shamus? Marlowe: It's a private detective. Carmen: You're making fun of me. Marlowe: Uh, uh. Carmen (she leans back and falls into his arms, throwing herself at him): You're cute.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 10:59AM) : What is a shamus and why is a shamus identified as a detective?
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Md. Waliour Rahman Saikat Md. Waliour Rahman Saikat (Oct 13 2016 6:33PM) : Shamus means a police officer, private detective and security guard. more

The Big Sleep is a thrilling novel and the writer wrote about crime and investigating the crime by Shamus which refers private detective in the novel.

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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Oct 20 2016 6:15PM) : Shamus comes from the slang term means a private investigator probably from the Irish but more intended to express the idea of police or the helpers of police because many Irish Americans traditionally served in the Police. more

I think the use of this word here highlights the one of the unique characteristics of Marlowe and his overall level of knowledge.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:32AM) : Yes, Marlowe has a literary sensibility.
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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 2:16AM) : Exactly. Good observation.
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Student Ebony Wheeler Student Ebony Wheeler (Oct 20 2016 9:46PM) : Shamus more

A shamus is a private detective. Also spelled Seamus, it was a word used to describe an Irish police detective.

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nicholas marrero nicholas marrero (Oct 20 2016 9:56PM) : Shamus? more

Shamus can be interpreted as a private investigator. Here it can be used in order to identity and provide better insight into characters in the film such as Marlowe and investigations occurring in the film.

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Arisleidy Amarante Arisleidy Amarante (Oct 21 2016 12:27AM) : Shamus is a slang term for an private detective. Its origin is from a common Irish name Seamus (James), back then a lot of Irish Americans traditionally served as cops.
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Luke Senkbeil Luke Senkbeil (Oct 21 2016 2:12PM) : Shamus more

Shamus is much less common word for private detective. The word itself is a mystery to most people so for Marlowe to use it shows just how smart he is.

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James Kang James Kang (Oct 21 2016 5:51PM) : shamus more

The word Shamus, which sounds similar to the Irish name Seamus, is a slang term for detective. Traditionally Irish Americans served in the police force

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Braden Carter Braden Carter (Oct 25 2016 9:08PM) : To differentiate from the others. He is a private detective, yes, but he is not a detective bound by the police. Since he is not with the police he will bend the rules to achieve his objective.
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Marlowe tells the butler, Norris (Charles Brown): "You ought to wean her, she's old enough." In the humid, hot greenhouse filled with orchids, Sternwood is introduced to Marlowe. [Carmen could accurately be described as a 'hothouse orchid' herself.] He permits Marlowe to drink and smoke:

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Sternwood: How do you like your brandy, sir? Marlowe: In a glass. Sternwood: I used to like mine with champagne. Champagne cold as Valley Forge and with about three ponies of brandy under it...I like to see people drink...You may take off your coat, sir...Too hot in here for any man who has any blood in his veins. You may smoke, too. I can still enjoy the smell of it. Nice state of affairs when a man has to indulge his vices by proxy.

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The emaciated Sternwood describes the dreariness of his existence. The humid hothouse is necessary for his survival and he is waiting for death - the "big sleep" of the title - in the temperature-controlled greenhouse:

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Sternwood: You are looking, sir, at a very dull survival of a very gaudy life - crippled, paralyzed in both legs, very little I can eat, and my sleep is so near waking that it's hardly worth the name. I seem to exist largely on heat, like a newborn spider. The orchids are an excuse for the heat. Do you like orchids? Marlowe: Not particularly. Sternwood: Nasty things! Their flesh is too much like the flesh of men, and their perfume has the rotten sweetness of corruption.

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Marlowe, who used to work for the district attorney's office "was fired for insubordination - I seem to rate pretty high on that," knows about Sternwood's two daughters: "Both pretty, and both pretty wild." The detective is told that Sternwood is being blackmailed again by gambler and petty blackmailer Joe Brody (Louis Jean Heydt), who was earlier paid $5,000 "to let my younger daughter alone." Sternwood questions his reaction to his words:

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Marlowe: Hmm. Sternwood: What does that mean? Marlowe: It means - hmm.

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Marlowe is called in to break up the troublesome blackmail ring that threatens to apply further pressure, ostensibly forcing Sternwood to pay legally-uncollectible gambling debts. A secondary aim is to have Marlowe find his missing friend and confidant, Sean Regan, who suddenly disappeared a month earlier under mysterious circumstances. [In Chandler's novel, Sean Regan was son-in-law "Rusty" Regan, who was married to Sternwood's oldest daughter Vivian.] Regan was Sternwood's bodyguard and close companion, an Irish Republican Army adventurer who acted as the General's surrogate son-substitute. Sean Regan had handled the first case of blackmail, but now that he is missing "without a word," Marlowe must be employed [as a substitute for Regan - one surrogate son hired to ascertain the whereabouts of another]:

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Sternwood: You knew him too? Marlowe: Yes, in the old days, when he used to run rum out of Mexico and I was on the other side. We used to swap shots between drinks, or drinks between shots, whichever you like. Sternwood: My respects to you, sir. Few men ever swapped more than one shot with Sean Regan. He commanded a brigade in the Irish-Republican Army - you knew that. Marlowe: No I didn't...I know he was a good man at whatever he did. No one was more pleased than I when I heard you had taken him on as your...whatever he was. Sternwood: My friend, my son almost.

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Marlowe is asked to investigate Carmen's ostensible blackmailer - a suspicious porno "rare book" dealer Arthur Gwynn Geiger (Theodore von Eltz) on North Sunset, who is blackmailing Sternwood over "gambling debts" incurred by his youngest daughter. There are numerous $1,000 IOU's signed by Carmen, one being dated September 11th, 1945. [The exact nature of the blackmail is not clear, though it may be that Geiger has illicit, nude, incriminating or obscene photographs of Carmen and threatens to circulate them. Or perhaps the IOU's are for gambling debts or drugs. Whatever is going on, Carmen cannot pay the blackmail and signs IOU's that Geiger tries to cash with General Sternwood.] Sternwood doesn't intend to discuss these things with Carmen: "If I did, she'd just suck her thumb and look coy." Marlowe describes how Carmen had met him in a similar fashion:

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I met her in the hall and she did that to me. Then she tried to sit in my lap while I was standing up.

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The General compares the morality of his two daughters. The older daughter, Vivian, is fiesty and strong. The spoiled, sexually-perverse, younger daughter is named Carmen:

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They're alike only in having the same corrupt blood. Vivian is spoilt, exacting, smart and ruthless. Carmen is still a little child who likes to pull the wings off flies. I assume they have all the usual vices, besides those they've invented for themselves. If I seem a bit sinister as a parent, Mr. Marlowe, it's because my hold on life is too slight to include any Victorian hypocrisy. I need hardly add that any man who has lived as I have and who indulges for the first time in parenthood at my age deserves all he gets.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 11:01AM) : What is the connection between the production code, Victorian hypocrisy, and film noir?
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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Oct 20 2016 6:16PM) : The connection. more

Public buildings and factories in cities of the Victorian era contributed to images full of dark, gloomy and sin in people’s minds. Although the industrial revolution laid the modern social corner of towering as well as the rise of the bourgeoisie to enjoy more and more abundant goods, instead people’s spiritual world is volatile unrest. To some extent, Hollywood production code has its similar characteristics with the “mask” of Victoria era and the existence of black film is to take off this mask made of pretenses and expose the real faces of “city”.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:33AM) : Some good points, but I don't understand what you mean by modern social corner.
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The production code and film noir are often at odds with one another. The code seeks to censor subversive thoughts and behaviors, while film noir often seeks to expose them. The dynamic between the two creates a sort of sneaky way that film noir inserts subversive ideas into films in order to make it past the production code. Similarly, Victorian morality involved strict social codes and restrictions that had to be subverted in indirect and creative ways.

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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 2:21AM) : One of my favorite scenes in the movie.
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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 2:21AM) : You've said just about everything I intended to say. Good job.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 17 2016 8:20AM) : Film noir and the production code sometimes work together in the sense that they leave certain subject in the dark, creating a certain tantalizing mystery.
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The well-paying job offer is specifically to end Geiger's blackmail permanently and just get rid of him: "I guess you want me to take this Geiger off your back." Marlowe thanks the General for the drink and promises to be back in touch:

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Marlowe: Thanks for the drink, General. Sternwood: I enjoyed your drink as much as you did, sir.

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On his way out, he tells the butler Norris that his normal fees are $25 dollars a day plus expenses. Marlowe is not pleased that Norris has informed Vivian Sternwood Rutledge (Lauren Bacall), the General's other daughter, about his identity:

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Norris: Are you attempting to tell me my duties, sir? Marlowe: No, just having fun trying to guess what they are.

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Before he leaves, Marlowe (now sweating profusely with a soaked shirt) is introduced to the ice-cool, elder daughter Vivian who was once married and then divorced to an anonymous man named Rutledge - never seen in the film [In the Chandler novel, Vivian had been married and divorced three times]. There are memorable lines of clever dialogue in his provocative, yet inauspicious, competitive and bickering first encounter with her in her bedroom as she seductively cross-examines him and probes into the reason why he is being hired as a "private detective" by her father:

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 11:02AM) : What is the point of making Marlow sweet so much?
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Albi Kallashi Albi Kallashi (Oct 18 2016 11:39AM) : Marlow sweet more

Because even though he kills people and doesn’t do his job as instructed, he still has to be the good guy and the film has to develop around him,

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 19 2016 7:41AM) : Why does the film have to develop around him?
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Sade Sampson Sade Sampson (Oct 22 2016 12:29AM) : The film develops around Marlow because he is the tough guy, and leads pretty much a solitary life. Marlow takes the role of both the tough guy and a man of morals and basic ethics as his main goal is to find the truth by legal means. more

Also, Marlow is like the hero in the film as he depicts characteristics of one lacking mostly the Chivalry aspects

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 22 2016 12:25PM) : The last sentence is garbled.
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Baruch Student Baruch Student (Nov 14 2016 9:52AM) : The film develops around Marlowe more

The film develops around Marlowe because it is often hard to understand why someone that kills people can be sweet. It makes his character feel hypocritical or maybe even insane like the Joker. Therefore to avoid having Marlowe feel contradicting and develop the mystery further the film develops around Marlowe and explains through his actions how he can be sweet but also murderous.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Nov 15 2016 7:04AM) : I don't think murderous is the right word. It makes Marlowe sound like a psychopath.
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Braden Carter Braden Carter (Oct 25 2016 10:53PM) : Making Marlow "sweet" is writing him as an acceptable lead character for audiences. They casted Humphrey Bogart to play Marlow the private detective and there is no way they would write Bogart as an evil character or an antagonist in the story.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 26 2016 6:00AM) : This became true after Bogart, in his early forties, became a romantic lead. Before then he made his name playing gangsters and other assorted villains.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 26 2016 6:01AM) : Although the police in film are sometimes portrayed as bending and sometimes breaking the rules.
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Student Ebony Wheeler Student Ebony Wheeler (Oct 20 2016 9:49PM) : Sweet Marlow more

To show that he is still a gentlemen even though he works as a private detective.

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nicholas marrero nicholas marrero (Oct 20 2016 10:11PM) : Marlow more

Perhaps to show more of the humane side to him despite his field of work. Providing a likability for him and the audience to engage in his journeys.

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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Dec 15 2016 3:03PM) : reply to Nicholas more

Making Marlow likable makes the audience want to follow the story.Having a character like Marlow interested. It makes the audience care enough to keep watching.

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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 8:52PM) : More than just a detective more

I think it is to show that Marlow is more than just a detective. He is human just like all the other characters. Despite the bad rep that detectives get, he is still a gentlemen and is relatable.

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Arisleidy Amarante Arisleidy Amarante (Oct 21 2016 7:37AM) : To show how much of a good edgy man he is. Even though his work can be very violent it doesn't mean he really is one. He is human, can express more emotion but in his own way. Marlow being sweet so much shows his gentleman side.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 22 2016 12:12PM) : Yes, he has a complex of characteristics.
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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Dec 09 2016 11:50PM) : Sweet more

As a stubborn, rational and cynical detective, it is difficult for him to get the favorite of most audiences, especially the group of female. But the situation will be completely different, if our hero is a stubborn, rational, cynical, but gentle and sweet. And this may also be the reason for the filmmaker to create romance for.

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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 2:30AM) : Marlow is made to sweat profusely, and especially so in the scene when he first meets Vivian because a power struggle needed to be established, wherein Vivian needed to be seen as the "cooler" of the two initially. more

No better way to make someone seem inferior or less powerful – even if only for a moment – than to show them sweating. Sweating symbolizes nervousness, anxiety, uncertainty, and inferiority. Not saying that that is how Marlow is perceive in that scene, but I am saying that it helped Vivian look the cooler and calmer of the two in that moment.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 17 2016 8:22AM) : Good point.
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Vivian (taunting): So you're a private detective. I didn't know they existed, except in books. Or else they were greasy little men snooping around hotel corridors. My, you're a mess, aren't you? Marlowe: I'm not very tall either. Next time, I'll come on stilts, wear a white tie and carry a tennis racket. Vivian: I doubt if even that would help. Now this business of Dad's. You think you can handle it for him? Marlowe: It shouldn't be too tough. Vivian: Really? I would have thought a case like that took a little effort. Marlowe: Not too much. Vivian: What will your first step be? Marlowe: The usual one. Vivian: I didn't know there was a usual one. Marlowe: (with a lisp) Oh sure there is. It comes complete with diagrams on page forty-seven of 'How to Be a Detective in Ten Easy Lessons' correspondence school textbook. And, uh, your father offered me a drink. Vivian: You must have read another one on how to be a comedian. Marlowe: Did you hear what I said about the drink? Vivian: I'm quite serious, Mr. Marlowe, my father...
Marlowe: I said your father...
Vivian: (She doesn't get him a drink.) Help yourself! Now look, Mr. Marlowe. My father's not well, and I want this case handled with the least possible worry to him. Marlowe: That's just the way I was going to handle it. Vivian: I see. No professional secrets? Marlowe: Nope. Vivian: I thought you wanted a drink. Marlowe: I've changed my mind. Vivian: Then what - ? (She turns away and walks toward the window to open it.) How did you like Dad? Marlowe: I liked him. Vivian: He liked Sean, Sean Regan. I suppose you know who he is. Marlowe: Uh, huh. Vivian: You don't have to play poker with me, Mr. Marlowe. Dad wants to find him, doesn't he? Marlowe: Do you? Vivian: Of course I do. It wasn't right for him to go off like that. He broke Dad's heart, although he won't say much about it. Or did he?

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 11:03AM) : what do such lines tell you about Marlowe?
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Albi Kallashi Albi Kallashi (Oct 18 2016 11:34AM) : Lines more

This line shows Marlow as an upfront character that is not afraid t to intimidate his bosses daughter, but also that he has a sense of humor

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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Oct 20 2016 12:58PM) : Marlowe more

Right before his line, vivian basically insults him by saying he doesn’t look like much of a detective. So his come back line shows that he is sarcastic and can make fun of himself.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:23AM) : Good point.
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Student Ebony Wheeler Student Ebony Wheeler (Oct 20 2016 9:55PM) : About Marlowe more

It shows that he is very sarcastic and quick witted

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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 2:37AM) : quick witted Is right
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nicholas marrero nicholas marrero (Oct 20 2016 10:19PM) : Lines/Marlow more

These lines provide better insight into Marlows character and overall mindset. Showing his sense of humor that he portrays within the film

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Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy (Oct 21 2016 12:32AM) : Bogard isn't that type more

What Bogard might be getting at is that he’s not one of those typical white collar guys, he’s outside of this culture, and in a sense also outside of society. Moreover, this is clearly sarcasm, and his sarcasm is hinting at that he isn’t the type to get fazed by people’s comments or disrespect.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:45AM) : Good point. He is outside society.
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Arisleidy Amarante Arisleidy Amarante (Oct 21 2016 7:43AM) : These lines pictures an image of Marlowe being so sarcastic and witty. He knew he just got insulted by Vivian and he throws a comeback that was so brilliant it enhances his character.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 22 2016 12:13PM) : He is not intimated by the rich or well born.
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Arisleidy Amarante Arisleidy Amarante (Dec 09 2016 12:22AM) : Makes him such a badass, awesome character.
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Luke Senkbeil Luke Senkbeil (Oct 21 2016 2:18PM) : Marlowe's lines more

These lines show how quick and witty Marlowe is. There’s never an awkward moment for Marlowe. He seems to have a comeback for everything and doesn’t mind making fun of himself.

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Braden Carter Braden Carter (Oct 25 2016 10:58PM) : It is ironic that Vivian says he does not look like a private detective. Well then he must be doing a good job having a low profile. The line shows Marlowe's/Bogart"s humor and flirtatious behavior with the female characters.
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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 8:55PM) : About Marlowe more

He is sarcastic, quick witted, and is very relatable. He is very down to earth and not superficial at all.

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She is spoiled, aloof, smart, and playful, and very protective of her younger sister and aging father. [Vivian visually dominates the film's frames in these early scenes.] Mutually attracted to each other, they trade loaded lines with each other. She is suspicious of him and wants to know what her father has asked him to do - she is fearful that he has been hired to find Regan, who has disappeared:

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Marlowe: Why don't you ask him? Vivian: You know, I don't see what there is to be cagey about, Mr. Marlowe. And I don't like your manners. Marlowe: I'm not crazy about yours. I didn't ask to see you. I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. And I don't mind your ritzing me, or drinking your lunch out of a bottle, but don't waste your time trying to cross-examine me. Vivian: People don't talk to me like that. Marlowe: Ohhh. Vivian: Do you always think you can handle people like, uh, trained seals? Marlowe: Uh, huh. I usually get away with it, too. Vivian: How nice for you. Marlowe: Just what is it you're afraid of? Vivian: Dad didn't want you about Sean at all, did he? Marlowe: Didn't he? Vivian: Would you find him if Dad wanted you to? Marlowe: Maybe. When did he go?

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He learns that a month earlier, Regan just drove off one afternoon without saying a word and has disappeared. Authorities found his car parked in a private garage. Marlowe is amused but perplexed to learn that she assumes he has been hired to find Regan rather than end Geiger's blackmailing threats. He admits that although he knows about Regan, he hasn't been hired to find him:

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I'm wasting your time. Goodbye, Mrs. Rutledge.

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Marlowe begins his investigation in the Hollywood Public Library, researching titles of collector's edition books. The blonde, bespectacled librarian (Carole Douglas) slyly and appreciatively observes that he doesn't look like the typical collector:

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Librarian: You know, you don't look like a man who'd be interested in first editions. Marlowe: (retorting) I collect blondes and bottles too.

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He searches for Geiger - the blackmailer, by going to A. G. Geiger's rare books and deluxe editions Hollywood bookstore. Playfully disguised as an effeminate bookworm (or homosexual) with sunglasses and an upturned hat, he talks to Geiger's salesclerk, Agnes Lozelle (Sonia Darrin). Asking for a rare third edition of Ben Hur - a book that doesn't really exist - he realizes she knows little about rare books:

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 11:05AM) : What does Marlowe's book knowledge tell you about him?
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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Oct 20 2016 6:19PM) : He is a detective with a strong individualistic style. He has his own understanding of the world,principles of behaviors and unique attentions to details of eclectic things which Keep him mysterious.
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nicholas marrero nicholas marrero (Oct 20 2016 10:27PM) : In regard to GuangXing Li more

Yeah exactly. Through his private investigation work he develops certain styles that provide a strong identity to his character . His knowledge provides him advantages in order to overcome certain obstacles and situations. All of which though his own understanding .

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Student Ebony Wheeler Student Ebony Wheeler (Oct 20 2016 11:11PM) : Response to Nicholas more

Yes his book knowledge allows him to take advantage of certain situations just as in this scene. His book knowledge also allows him to be quick witted and helps him to read people

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:36AM) : Reading books, reading people. Very good.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:35AM) : Give an example
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:34AM) : Marlowe never lets anyone know exactly what he is thinking.
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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 2:43AM) : Well...you wouldn't be a very good detective if you did. To be a good detective you have to play the fool to catch the wise. In other words, it very often involves one intentionally appearing ignorant or oblivious in order to gain more out of a suspect.
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Luke Senkbeil Luke Senkbeil (Oct 21 2016 2:31PM) : Knowledge more

Marlowe’s book knowledge gives him an understanding of the world and how things work. This knowledge keeps him a step in front of the next person which helps him in many situations throughout this story. He seems to already know what to do before anything happens.

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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 9:08PM) : Sophistication more

It shows that he has a wide range of knowledge on various fields and subjects. Especially with rare books, it means the knowledge in those books are not common to everyone. It means only an exclusive handful of people know what secrets may lie in those books.

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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 2:39AM) : It says the obvious...that he is intelligent. It also says that he cares about and is deeply invested in his job, because you need to be a well read individual to be a detective.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 17 2016 8:23AM) : Actually, most detectives in film and in books are not well read, although there are significant exceptions.

Marlowe: Would you happen to have a Ben-Hur, 1860? Agnes: A what? Marlowe: I said, 'Would you happen to have a Ben-Hur, 1860'? Agnes: Oh, a first edition? Marlowe: No, no, no, no, no. The third. The third. The one with the erratum on page one-sixteen. Agnes: I'm afraid not. Marlowe: Uh, how about a Chevalier Audubon 1840 - a full set, of course? Agnes: Not at the moment. Marlowe: You do sell books? Hmm? Agnes: What do those look like, grapefruit? Marlowe: Well, from here, they look like books. Maybe I'd better see Mr. Geiger?

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And when a respectable looking businessman, a client, is buzzed into the back room, this confirms Marlowe's feelings about Geiger's disreputable business (a front for a blackmail racket or for a high-class lending library of pornographic, dirty books for subscribers only). Across the street from the bookstore, Marlowe waits for Geiger to materialize, viewing the store from the front window of the Acme Book Store with a spectacled, antiquarian bookseller clerk (Dorothy Malone) who is quickly charmed:

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Clerk: Is there something I can do for you? Marlowe: Would you do me a very small favor? Clerk: I don't know. It depends on the favor. Marlowe: Do you know Geiger's bookstore across the street? Clerk: I think I may have passed it. Marlowe: Do you know Geiger by sight? Clerk: Well, I ...
Marlowe: What does he look like? Clerk: Wouldn't it be easy enough to go across the street and ask to see him? Marlowe: I've already done that...Do you know anything about rare books? Clerk: You could try me. Marlowe: Would you happen to have a Ben-Hur 1860, Third Edition with a duplicated line on page one-sixteen? Or a Chevalier Audubon 1840? (She searches her listings and bibliographies)
Clerk: Nobody would. There isn't one. Marlowe: The girl in Geiger's bookstore didn't know that. Clerk: Oh, I see. You begin to interest me - vaguely. Marlowe: I'm a private dick on a case. Perhaps I'm asking too much, although it doesn't seem too much to me somehow. Clerk: Well, Geiger's in his early forties, medium height, fattish, soft all over, Charlie Chan mustache, well-dressed, wears a black hat, affects a knowledge of antiques and hasn't any, and, oh yes, I think his left eye is glass. [While describing Geiger, the Clerk openly ogles Marlowe as if to compare his body (favorably) with Geiger's.] Marlowe: You'd make a good cop.

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As a heavy rain begins to fall, he proposes that they have a drink of rye (from a bottle in his pocket) while he waits for Geiger to come out - with a suggestive line: "I'd rather get wet in here." The independent bookseller pulls the shade and closes an hour early, removes her eyeglasses and lets her hair down coyly: "It looks like we're closed for the rest of the afternoon." She also offers two cups for their drinking. Marlowe can't believe the quick transformation, and greets her with an exaggerated "Hello," before they enjoy an afternoon dalliance together - suggested by the film's fadeout. Later, (after the rain has stopped), as Marlowe leaves the bookstore, he non-chalantly says goodbye to the character who has given him an observant, professional description of Geiger:

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Marlowe: Well, thanks. Clerk: If you ever want to buy a book...? Marlowe: Ben-Hur, 1860? Clerk: With duplications? So long. Marlowe: So long, pal.

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Humphrey Bogart's Philip Marlowe is tough without a gun and lethal with a wisecrack in this irresistible rerelease
The Big Sleep
Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall in The Big Sleep (1946). Raymond Chandler reckoned Bogart's Philip Marlowe the best interpretation of his wisecracking detective. Philip French
Saturday 1 January 2011 19.05 EST Last modified on Friday 29 November 2013 09.14 ES
First released in 1946 and now being revived for selected screenings around the country and an extended run at the National Film Theatre, The Big Sleep is a film of infinite interest. In its famously knowing trailer, Humphrey Bogart walks into the Hollywood Public Library and asks for "a good mystery like The Maltese Falcon". A librarian gives him a copy of what is misleadingly described as "Raymond Chandler's latest", adding: "What a picture that'll make!" Well, it did, and the result can be approached from a number of distinct and complementary directions.

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First, it's a Warner Brothers production, made at the height of Hollywood's big studio era and announced by Warner's logo, which looks like a federal badge of social responsibility. Jack L Warner, who'd headed the studio since the early 1920s, determined what films were made, how and by whom, their cost and which contract performers appeared in them; their smart, stocky, wisecracking heroes looked a lot like Warner himself.

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Second, The Big Sleep is a tough, sophisticated crime picture built around Bogart as LA private eye Philip Marlowe. All but two of his best films were made at Warners. After some years as a secondary figure on different sides of the law, he'd become a true star in The Maltese Falcon (1941) and an enduringly major one in Casablanca (1943). To Have and Have Not teamed him with his future wife, the newcomer Lauren Bacall, 25 years his junior, in a second world war drama that set out to imitate Casablanca. When in late 1944 early screenings for American forces found its successor, The Big Sleep, too dark, the opening of the film was delayed as lighter, sexier sequences were shot.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 11:06AM) : Tough and sophisticated seems to be appealing. Why?
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Braden Carter Braden Carter (Oct 25 2016 11:04PM) : Tough and sophisticated are appealing simply for their reason of entertainment. Who wants to see a movie about a weak and stupid protagonist? The audience has a good idea of what they are getting with Bogart and that is why they will watch this film.
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 26 2016 6:02AM) : Some comedies feature weak and stupid protagonists.
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Jake Bennett Jake Bennett (Oct 27 2016 12:38PM) : Traits more

Just a combination of certain personal characteristics tend to be intriguing as they normally aren’t seen together in personalities. One that comes to mind is actually a recent crime noir film called The Nice Guys in which the main character is as you described a sort of weak and stupid lead role who continuously succeeds in his tasks.

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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Dec 10 2016 12:15AM) : Agree. more

His own personality and traits led to his dedication to get close to what he really wants. People know if they could not quit one thing at the right exit, then it will be more difficult to stay out of it. However, it seems not suitable for Marlowe and after this stupid protagonists refused the advice of others, trying to step closer to the truth, this series of events is doomed to be tough and sophisticated.

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Student Ebony Wheeler Student Ebony Wheeler (Dec 15 2016 11:16AM) : tough and sophisticated is appealing because when someone is tough, you feel a sense of security around them and when they are sophisticated they are more complex
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Hughvon Palmer Hughvon Palmer (Dec 17 2016 2:46AM) : its what women love. Bottom line. Tough because they need to feel like he can protect them (alpha male), and at the same time sophisticated because women find normal or common boring. Most women are attracted to intelligence.
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Jun Lu Jun Lu (Dec 16 2016 9:05PM) : Mysterious more

Tough and sophistication bring an air of mysteriousness for a role such as a private detective. Someone that is a difficult to figure out is more interesting. It makes them captivating and alluring; you can’t help but want to get to know more about them.

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Together, Bogart and Bacall became iconic figures, sharing cigarettes and exchanging wisecracks on and off screen. An excellent, handsomely illustrated study of Bogart has just been published in paperback, Bogie (Palazzo £14.99), with essays by Stephen Bogart, Richard Schickel, George Perry and Alistair Cooke.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 11:07AM) : What makes Bogart and Bacall iconic? How does their dialogue affect what Chandler wrote in his novel?
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Third, The Big Sleep is being shown at the NFT in a two-part season of films directed by Howard Hawks (1896-1977), a spiky figure who could turn his talent to every genre while imposing himself stylistically and thematically on whatever he made. Camera movements were functional; his rapid dialogue challenged industry practice; a casually understated professional respect existed between his heroes; his confident heroines demanded and were accorded equality.

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The Cahiers du cinéma critic- film-makers proclaimed him an auteur. But he was a hard-headed film-maker and, deep in debt as a result of his grand lifestyle and gambling, he had to make concessions in production costs on The Big Sleep. He engaged major writing talents such as his old friend William Faulkner and his personal discovery, Leigh Brackett, a Hawksian woman with a great ear for dialogue who went on to write Rio Bravo and The Empire Strikes Back.

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Fourth, The Big Sleep is based on Chandler's first novel. Educated, like PG Wodehouse, at Dulwich College in London, he'd settled in Los Angeles before Cecil B DeMille arrived there to shoot The Squaw Man in 1914, and he became a defining chronicler of the city. He coined the term "the big sleep" to describe death: two years later it was quoted as the last words of a notorious gangster.

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A dozen actors have impersonated Marlowe on film, radio and TV, and Chandler, whose ideal exponent would have been Cary Grant, thought Bogart the best. In a 1946 letter to his British publisher, he said: "Bogart is so much better than any other tough-guy actor. As we say here, Bogart can be tough without a gun. Also he has a sense of humour that contains that grating undertone of contempt."

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Finally, The Big Sleep is invariably described as a film noir, a term coined by French critic Nino Frank in 1945 when a flood of dark Hollywood thrillers made during the war eventually arrived on Parisian screens after the four years of German occupation. Nearly 40 years passed before the term became current in the English-speaking world. The time of day in The Big Sleep is appropriately night, with rain and fog the dominant climatic conditions. But the influence of German expressionism is absent, there's no hard-boiled narration, no angst-ridden hero, no distorted camera angles, no nightmares, no ominous shadows, no flashbacks. Bogart and Bacall's exchanges are wittily playful, and the only femme fatale is a minor though crucial figure who destroys that perennial noir fall-guy, Elisha Cook Jr. But it's unmissable, irresistible.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Aug 09 2016 11:09AM) : So is The Big Sleep really a film noir?
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Md. Waliour Rahman Saikat Md. Waliour Rahman Saikat (Oct 12 2016 7:52PM) : The Big Sleep is a classic film noir. more

Although it has no voice-over narration, no flashbacks, there was little Proof of expressionistic images. Besides, the film was not recognized by the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences in award categories.

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Christina Perlongo Christina Perlongo (Oct 20 2016 12:55PM) : a film noir more

I don’t believe The Big SLeep is a film noir. It lacks more than just the narration and flashbacks. Yes, there is crime and a femme fatale but that’s it.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:22AM) : No,that is not it. There is much more to the film noir and to Big Sleep as a film noir.
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GuanXing Li GuanXing Li (Oct 20 2016 6:20PM) : The big sleep is no doubt a brilliant film noir in the history. [Edited] more

Differ from The Double indemnity the other work scripted by Chandler , the story-telling mode of The big sleep are more straight forward just like what it is in the novel and does not contain any voice over narration and flashback. However, it does not deny its success as a classical film noir, after all, I don’t think film noir is all about its way of telling a story instead of the nature of the story itself: the sin, rot and dark atmosphere in the cities. The big sleep is no doubt an excellent film noir which meets some most significant elements to be a film noir like: series of crimes, a femme fatal character as Vivian and darkness side of people.

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 21 2016 8:37AM) : like Vivian
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nicholas marrero nicholas marrero (Oct 20 2016 10:33PM) : Is it film noir? more

I honestly believe the Big Sleep is a film noir. Although it lacks certain elements such as voice over and use of flashbacks .Providing a more direct approach to its form of storytelling. But still personifies elements such as femme fatale

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Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy Vitaliy Dmukhovskyy (Dec 09 2016 1:01AM) : I agree more

Yeah the voice over and use of flashbacks aren’t there but there are other elements that come together to make The Big Sleep essentially a film noir. Femme fatale as you pointed out is one. Another is a complicated and far fetched plot. A couple of others are an urban setting, a cynical detective, poetic dialogue, and my favorite, lots of drinking and smoking. Roger Ebert once very comedically wrote that "everybody in film noir is always smoking, as if to say, “On top of everything else, I’ve been assigned to get through three packs today.” The best smoking movie of all time is “Out of the Past,” in which Robert Mitchum and Kirk Douglas smoke furiously at each other. At one point, Mitchum enters a room, Douglas extends a pack and says, “Cigarette?” and Mitchum, holding up his hand, says, “Smoking.”"

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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Dec 09 2016 7:22AM) : Great movie Out of the Past.
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Arisleidy Amarante Arisleidy Amarante (Oct 21 2016 8:00AM) : The Big Sleep is an amazing classic film noir. Sure it isn't perfect, lacking certain elements like voice-over narration and flashbacks. But it sure explores the genre of mystery, drama, crime and features stories involving femmes fatales. [Edited]
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Carl Rollyson Carl Rollyson (Oct 22 2016 12:15PM) : I don't think a film noir lacks perfection if there is no voice over narrator.
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Student Ebony Wheeler Student Ebony Wheeler (Dec 15 2016 11:19AM) : Film noir more

Yes the Big Sleep is a film noir. Its a detective film shot in Black in White a lot of filtered lights, its ambiguous and has a femme fatale.

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