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Do Sanctuary Cities Have a Right to Defy Trump?


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Sanctuary Cities Have a Legal Right to Defy the Federal Government

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Cesar Vargas

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Cesar Vargas, a former national Latino strategist for Bernie Sanders and co-founder of the DREAM Action Coalition, is New York's first openly undocumented lawyer. He is on Twitter (@DREAMerJ_D).

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Gerard Dawson Gerard Dawson (Jan 31 2017 7:53AM) : He's an undocumented lawyer, which surprises me. I can imagine that his perspective is going to be that undocumented immigrants need local protection. [Edited] more

In terms of the strength of his argument, this is also a place where I should look out for bias, since it is likely that he will favor the perspective of the undocumented immigrants.

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Amisha M Amisha M (Jan 31 2017 7:56AM) : I agree.
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Connie Chen Connie Chen (Jan 31 2017 7:56AM) : hm
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Sreyus Balasubramanian Sreyus Balasubramanian (Jan 31 2017 8:05AM) : Yes, this would be logical. Since he is an undocumented immigrant, he would try to work on local laws which could protect others like him from being deported by the federal government.
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Zaria Emery Zaria Emery (Jan 31 2017 8:06AM) : Vargas' believed that the federal and state government need to do a better job at protecting immigrants. Regardless of one's citizenship, it is the government's job to protect all people in America
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Zaria Emery Zaria Emery (Jan 31 2017 8:10AM) : Author Ting feels that the federal government is being challenged. He feels that the current immigrant laws need to be implemented in the states government.
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Luke Vista Luke Vista (Jan 31 2017 8:07AM) : Ceasar believes that the federal government needs to do a better job protecting undocumented immigrants since they have the same rights as legal citizens
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Victoria Velez Victoria Velez (Jan 31 2017 8:10AM) : Chaney feels that the government has to do more to protect illegal immigrants. While Ting's argument is that while getting rid of sanctuary cities will lower crime rates in these areas and not waste tax payer money.
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Student Brynn Peterson Student Brynn Peterson (Jan 31 2017 8:23AM) : Bias In the Writing more

Due to the Cesar Vargas being an undocumented lawyer, demonstrates that there is bias towards the writing and therefore, the writing will be more one-sided because Vargas will strongly argue for undocumented immigrants. Ultimately, making this editorial to be limited in information of the topic.

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Nikhil Ramesh Nikhil Ramesh (Jan 31 2017 8:23AM) : I think that Vargas' status of being an undocumented lawyer hints that he will have a bias in favor of undocumented immigrants.
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UPDATED DECEMBER 1, 2016, 3:21 AM

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It is not only legally defensible but crucial to our national security for cities and states to be allowed to pass and uphold sanctuary laws to assure taxpaying residents — regardless of immigration status — that their local government will protect them from federal overreach.

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Gerard Dawson Gerard Dawson (Jan 31 2017 8:00AM) : Here's a sample comment for *agreeing* with an argument. more

In order to maintain a balance of power between federal and local governments, I agree with Vargas’s argument here.

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It is fundamental principle for any local, state or federal sovereign to have discretion over how it will enforce its laws. As the Supreme Court noted in Heckler v. Chaney, an enforcement agency's decisions should reflect “factors which are peculiarly within its expertise.” Localities, not Washington bureaucrats, are best suited to determine local law enforcement according to a multitude of factors, in any given situation.

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Daniela Ferrel Daniela Ferrel (Jan 31 2017 8:29AM) : By including a specific case to support his argument, Vargas is seen as more credible and can draw more readers to support his side of the argument
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Gerard Dawson Gerard Dawson (Jan 31 2017 8:16AM) : His use of evidence more

Here, he cites a specific court case, and then uses that to draw the logical conclusion that local governments are better suited to deal with undocumented immigrants than federal governments are.

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Nikhil Ramesh Nikhil Ramesh (Jan 31 2017 8:18AM) : Vargas' use of a specific case where the Supreme Court's ruling helps support his claim gives arguement more credibility.
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Paul Chaber Paul Chaber (Jan 31 2017 8:23AM) : It's also ironic that the federal government which tends to be against illegal immigration also, through the Supreme Court case, protects illegal immigration.
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Nikhil Ramesh Nikhil Ramesh (Jan 31 2017 8:24AM) : Vargas attempts to appeal to our reason here and states that local authorities would better understand the situation of their cities.
Local governments have constitutional authority to grant residents more rights and protections.
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Paul Chaber Paul Chaber (Jan 31 2017 8:21AM) : "Local government have constitutional authority to grant residents more rights and protections." more

Vargas uses this evidence in order to support his argument that sanctuary cities need to remain under local law. According to the constitution, citizens under a local can get more rights and protections which is beneficial for illegal immigrants who can be in trouble from the federal government.

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Even within those areas that the federal government does exercise authority, like immigration, it cannot force state or local governments to strip residents of rights and protections that have been passed by local legislature.

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And at a time of eroded trust in police, states and cities must focus on how enforcement can be aided by local cooperation. A study by the Department of Urban Planning and Policy at the University of Illinois, Chicago, found that increased involvement of local police in immigration enforcement in cities only served to erode trust in the legal system among residents.

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Eleanor Wilton Eleanor Wilton (Jan 31 2017 8:19AM) : specific claim is that the police involvement will not help the situation but may make it worse. The evidence is from a case study which makes it reliable. It also mentions issues with the police which causes a frustrated feeling toward them
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Connie Chen Connie Chen (Jan 31 2017 8:23AM) : By bringing in the problem with police enforcement and citizens, the claim appeals to those who are also unhappy with the current situation of increased police involvement in civilian lives.
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Amisha M Amisha M (Jan 31 2017 8:24AM) : Vargas mentions another issue -- the public's view of law enforcement -- and relates it to the issue at hand, which displays the importance of this matter.
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Zaria Emery Zaria Emery (Jan 31 2017 8:18AM) : Use of evidence more

By the author using a direct study preformed by officials, he helps strengthen his argument.

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Luke Letourneau Luke Letourneau (Jan 31 2017 8:21AM) : This information is also very relevant in a time where distrust between people and citizens is very high. People don't want worse relations, and therefore are more likely to listen to the presented evidence.
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Daniela Ferrel Daniela Ferrel (Jan 31 2017 8:25AM) : Including this study and evidence makes Vargas have a more credible argument.

Should the U.S. use all of its might to protect our neighborhoods from those who threaten violent attacks? Of course. But Donald J. Trump's diatribes against sanctuary cities do not protect Americans — they only seed suspicion and divert attention from real concerns. The immense power of the U.S., and the money of taxpayers, should not be used to persecute, incarcerate and deport an undocumented parent working hard with the hopes of one day seeing her daughter become an attorney.

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Connie Chen Connie Chen (Jan 31 2017 8:04AM) : An argument that appeals to the emotional part of the audience. The writer intends to convince people that the undocumented immigrants should not be deported because they're hard working people who just wants a future for their children.
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Luke Letourneau Luke Letourneau (Jan 31 2017 8:13AM) : The issue also appeals to Americans' financial sense by saying it is the taxpayer money going to hunt undocumented immigrants. This may displease people who do not agree with the issue because they want their money going elsewhere.
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Tiffany Lee Tiffany Lee (Jan 31 2017 8:19AM) : Vargas intends to evoke emotion by providing an example. more

He lists the words, “persecute, incarcerate and deport,” to portray how the federal government could potentially treat an undocumented immigrant.

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Daniela Ferrel Daniela Ferrel (Jan 31 2017 8:20AM) : Vargas uses rhetoric in this sentence, making the reader feel sorry for the undocumented people that are in this country to make a better live for themselves and their family. [Edited]

More broadly, opponents of sanctuary cities — like Kansas's secretary of state, Kris Kobach, the president-elect’s immigration adviser — forget that the U.S. fought against and declared independence from an imperial naval power to protect cherished liberties from an arbitrary central government embodied by an executive that could act by caprice through the throne.

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Navroop Mondair Navroop Mondair (Jan 31 2017 8:26AM) : Vagas is biased towards undocumented citizens gaining protection from their local government. more

Vagas talks about how the basis of America is freedom and rights. He talks about how Americans fought for their rights and independence from a controlling government. He brings up America’s history to back up the idea that the Federal government can be too powerful.

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The president-elect has a clear choice: Build trust among all Americans to keep the nation safe or allow disconnected political swindlers to divide the nation for their own careers. When each and every American — including the undocumented — has a stake in national security, in their neighborhoods, this country will have an even firmer foundation for protecting itself against foreign and domestic attacks.

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Sreyus Balasubramanian Sreyus Balasubramanian (Jan 31 2017 8:10AM) : Maintaining the balance between the local and federal governments is seen as beneficial in this case, to keep the country together. Therefore I agree with Vargas's argument.
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Tiffany Lee Tiffany Lee (Jan 31 2017 8:25AM) : Vargas provides the reader with only two options, giving them a choice. He attempts to appeal to the reader by showing two starkly different options that could occur in the future, making the one he desires more obvious.
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Student Brynn Peterson Student Brynn Peterson (Jan 31 2017 8:25AM) : Vargas Strong Bias more

Vargas emphasizes his strong bias towards undocumented immigrants to go right to the source of the change, meaning President Trump. Vargas is using his political skills to try to make a change.

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Zaria Emery Zaria Emery (Jan 31 2017 8:21AM) : Explanation more

The author explains the benefits of implementing his beliefs. He feels that the nation would thrive as a whole if citizens were united.

Sanctuary Cities Must Cooperate With Federal Enforcement

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Jan C. Ting

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Jan C. Ting, a professor at Temple University's Beasley School of Law, is a former assistant commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

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UPDATED DECEMBER 1, 2016, 4:27 PM

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Immigration laws, like all laws in the U.S., can be criticized and challenged. But those laws enacted by Congress under the authority of the U.S. Constitution need to be respected and enforced. The defiance by some cities of U.S. immigration law and efforts to impede its enforcement, reflect a deeper questioning of our constitutional processes.

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Samantha Harrison Samantha Harrison (Jan 31 2017 8:19AM) : Professor Ting's opinion on what government should hold the most authority. more

In Professor Ting’s opinion, he thinks that the Federal government should hold a higher authority over the local government. Any laws that congress passed should be respected by the local governments, with basically full cooperation.

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Nyla Walker Nyla Walker (Jan 31 2017 8:25AM) : Professor Ting believes that it's ok to challenge and argue against a law you may not particularly agree with, but at the end of it it all the law is the law and all laws must be followed.
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Sanctuary cities became controversial after a series of high-profile crimes were committed against innocent victims by illegal immigrants who had been released from detention by local authorities — without notification to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement bureau of the Department of Homeland Security.

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Luke Letourneau Luke Letourneau (Jan 31 2017 8:10AM) : The issue that sparked the controversy is not representative of the whole population of undocumented immigrants.There may be people who commit crimes who are undocumented, but there are plenty of people who commit crimes and are legal U.S. citizens.
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Paul Chaber Paul Chaber (Jan 31 2017 8:25AM) : But there is also the issue that these immigrants are still considered "illegal". Aren't they still creating controversy from living in America without any proper documentation.
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Victoria Velez Victoria Velez (Jan 31 2017 8:27AM) : This paragraph discusses how illegal immigrants have been linked to high profile crimes, although there seems to be statistics. This makes the argument misleading because we are unaware of the number of illegal immigrants compared to other american citize
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Outrage over the issue may have helped Donald J. Trump get elected, as he denounced and promised to cut off federal funding to sanctuary cities. They were also an issue in the successful re-election campaign of Senator Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, who denounced the sanctuary city policy in Philadelphia, in his own state.

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Connie Chen Connie Chen (Jan 31 2017 8:25AM) : Ting attempts to explain that there are many people in America who supports this claim. He does this by saying that people elected the politicians that supports the federal enforcement of immigration policies.
Laws imposed locally for the protection of illegal immigrants interfere with the normal cooperation between law enforcement agencies.
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It was right for these politicians to critique sanctuary policies: Laws imposed locally for the protection of illegal immigrants interfere with the normal cooperation between law enforcement agencies.

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That is why the Department of Justice under Attorney General Loretta Lynch, under pressure from a Republican Congress, notified sanctuary cities that they must be in compliance with 8 USC Section 1373, which prohibits any agency from restraining the exchange of information among federal, state and local agencies regarding the immigration status of any individual. The attorney general warned that sanctuary cities would not receive Justice Department funding in the current 2017 fiscal year if they did not comply. President-elect Trump and the Republican Congress can be expected to attempt to cut other federal funding to sanctuary cities in 2017.

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Isabella Pipitone Isabella Pipitone (Jan 31 2017 8:29AM) : Trump wants to defund sanctuary states. This makes local government choose between the funding of the federal government and hosting a place for immigrants.
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Any prohibition against state and local officers sharing information and cooperating with federal immigration enforcement is a threat to public safety, and should not be supported by federal funding.

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Zaria Emery Zaria Emery (Jan 31 2017 8:25AM) : counter argument more

The author responds to the previous author’s idea that the nation would be better protected. The author does this in a respectful manner

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Law enforcement agencies have traditionally relied on each other for support and back-up in carrying out their respective missions: It helps build trust and avoids unhappy surprises. Now, more than ever, with law enforcement officers and agencies under both scrutiny and attack, such coordination and cooperation should be facilitated and encouraged.

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Gerard Dawson Gerard Dawson (Jan 31 2017 8:02AM) : When you finish reading... more

Describe the overall claim of each editoral as a reply to this comment.

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Nikhil Ramesh Nikhil Ramesh (Jan 31 2017 8:07AM) : Cesar Vargas believes that the local government needs to do more to protect undocumented immigrants from the federal government while Jan Ting believes that the federal government should be followed even though it is a controversial issue.
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Eleanor Wilton Eleanor Wilton (Jan 31 2017 8:09AM) : First article: Vargas argues that sanctuary cities should be able to defy the federal government on illegal immigrants. Second article: Ting argues that the sanctuary cities should comply with federal laws on illegal immigrants.
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Nyla Walker Nyla Walker (Jan 31 2017 8:09AM) : Cesar Vargas is arguing that undocumented people in the United States deserve the same rights and protection as everyone else because it's crucial to our national security for cities and states.
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Nyla Walker Nyla Walker (Jan 31 2017 8:12AM) : Jan C. Ting is arguing that the federal government should be followed regardless of the criticism and controversy that can follow.
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Luke Vista Luke Vista (Jan 31 2017 8:11AM) : Luke Vista : Ceasar believes that the federal government needs to do a better job protecting undocumented immigrants since they have the same rights as legal citizens
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Paul Chaber Paul Chaber (Jan 31 2017 8:11AM) : Vargas claims that sanctuary cities need to stay under the protection of local and state government while Ting claims that sanctuary cities should follow the federal government and comply to immigration laws.
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Connie Chen Connie Chen (Jan 31 2017 8:11AM) : Cesar Vargas believes that the local governments have the right to protect undocumented immigrants and not detain them while Jan ting believes that sanctuary cities should not challenge federal immigration policies. [Edited]
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Isabella Pipitone Isabella Pipitone (Jan 31 2017 8:11AM) : Cesar Vargas is an undocumented lawyer who believes the local government has the ability to defy the federal government. His claim is that regardless of an immigrant's status the state government should protect them over federal decree.
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Isabella Pipitone Isabella Pipitone (Jan 31 2017 8:18AM) : While Jan C. Ting, a representative of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, believes federal immigration laws should not lose their validity within the states. Ting states that noncooperation with the federal law is a threat to public safety. CONT. more

This is because this interferes with law enforcement agencies.

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Luke Vista Luke Vista (Jan 31 2017 8:11AM) : Jan C. Ting believes that sanctuary cities should enforce the rules of the fedewral government
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Student Brynn Peterson Student Brynn Peterson (Jan 31 2017 8:11AM) : The claim for the first editorial more

The claim for the first editorial was that any taxpaying resident, no matter if they are an immigrant or not, is a citizen of America. If they have been paying taxes and haven’t been a threat to American society, being an immigrant should not be the final say in their fate and treatment.

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Student Brynn Peterson Student Brynn Peterson (Jan 31 2017 8:13AM) : The claim for the second editorial. more

The second editorial was that Congress and law enforcement should respect the rights of every citizen in the U.S., no matter if they are immigrants or not.

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Tiffany Lee Tiffany Lee (Jan 31 2017 8:12AM) : Vargas explains how state governments should be able to defy the federal government on laws that do not protect the people. Ting believes immigration laws should be enforced by the federal government and the sanctuary cities should comply with them. [Edited]
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Navroop Mondair Navroop Mondair (Jan 31 2017 8:12AM) : Vargas claims that decisions on undocumented immigrants should be authorized by the local government. Ting states that decisions on undocumented immigrants should be based off of laws enforced by Congress.
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Amisha M Amisha M (Jan 31 2017 8:12AM) : Vargas and Ting have opposing views on the rights of local governments in relation to the federal government. more

Vargas argues that local governments have the constitutional right to grant their residents protection. and that the federal government cannot force local governments to get rid of the rights and protections granted to its undocumented immigrants. On the other hand, Ting claims that laws enacted by Congress authorized by the Constitution must be enforced and complied with by all.

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Daniela Ferrel Daniela Ferrel (Jan 31 2017 8:13AM) : the first editorial states the government should protect undocumented immigrants and treat them equally even if they're not citizens and the second editorial states the federal government should be respected by the sanctuary cities
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Valeria Ferrel Valeria Ferrel (Jan 31 2017 8:18AM) : Vargas vs Ting more

Vargas believes that the federal government should not be involved with sanctuary cities because it’s a state issue under the constitution. He also believes that they defy the federal government on the topic of illegal immigrants.Ting argues the opposite, and believes that these cities should follow federal laws.

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Luke Letourneau Luke Letourneau (Jan 31 2017 8:18AM) : Vargas and Ting have two very different points of view. Ting believes that it is up to the federal government to decide and that if that is not the case, it will build distrust. Vargas argues that the states are closer to the issue and therefore -> more

Continued → The states should decide whether or not to accept undocumented immigrants

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Sreyus Balasubramanian Sreyus Balasubramanian (Jan 31 2017 8:21AM) : Vargas is an advocate of local government rights in order for sanctuary cities to protect undocumented immigrants. Ting believes that too many crimes are caused by undocumented residents and that sanctuaries should cooperate with law enforcement.
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Student Brynn Peterson Student Brynn Peterson (Jan 31 2017 8:27AM) : A new perspective more

Having a person that doesn’t have a large tie with immigration, except for job title and career, this editorial will have more of the general and broad information of immigration and the effects of both decisions.

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