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EDU 807 - Week 4 - Interview with Megan Erickson Spring 2018 - Group 1


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In this episode of the Majority Report, Megan Erickson critiques a variety of ideas that are popular in current conversations related to educational technology. I have tried to mark a few spots in the video related to different topics, and I invite you to discuss these ideas -- in light of what you just read in the ISTE standards.

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As you listen, consider what the conceptions of students (and what technology/standards) can do with/for/to students? Who benefits? Who is left behind? What is the actual purpose for using the technology?

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As you read, make connections between Erickson's argument about how and why students should use technology and compare them to the ISTE Standards.

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What types of changes outlined in the standards appear to be easy to make? Which changes will be more difficult? Why?

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For instance, at at about 1:50, she talks about "student-centered" and "personalized" techniques and then deconstructs that argument. This reminds me of ISTE standard for students 5c, which suggests that students "Demonstrate personal responsibility for lifelong learning." At this point in the video, then, I would want to offer some connection between Erickson and ISTE, pointing out the fact that -- while ISTE may have good intentions to help students become self-motivated and independent, Erickson notes that this is an unrealistic expectation fueled by a technocratic vision of education. What, in the ed tech industry's eyes, does it mean to be "personalized?" Is personalized learning in all students' best interests? Etc...

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Please offer three initial comments, as well as three replies to your classmates' comments.

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Dr. Troy Hicks Dr. Troy Hicks (Jan 20 2017 12:38PM) : Personalized Learning more

In this segment, she talks about “personalized learning,” making connections to Skinner and Kahn Academy.

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Robert Norman Robert Norman (Jan 29 2018 5:57PM) : ISTE 5a more

Here she talks about personalized, learning which relates to ISTE 5a:

“Use technology to create, adapt and personalize learning experiences that foster independent learning and accommodate learner differences and needs.”

The hosts quotes her “banking theory of education” and she connects them to 20th century education reformers like B. F. Skinner, and the influence that the entrepreneurial mindset and its impact on the classroom.

In my experience with some of these adaptive learning technology, while they may receive their funding from billionaires who also own grocery chains, do an admirable job when it comes to adaptive learning. With Pearson MyMathLab, for istance, I have seen pass rates go from 35% to 70% at my institution.

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Robert Norman Robert Norman (Jan 31 2018 9:26AM) : Facilitator more

I think some of what she is referring to in educational reform is the shifting role of the teacher. One of the ISTE standards is Facilitator, and that’s a word that sparks some strong reactions from faculty I’ve worked with who see that role as more passive than “teacher” or “professor.” However, I think that perception is certainly shifting, as more educators enter the workforce who might have experienced a facilitator model first hand in their own education.

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Pamela Wegener Pamela Wegener (Feb 02 2018 1:36PM) : ISTE 5 more

She mentions Skinner’s tool allowing students to go at their own pace, answer a question correctly and move on to the next. I think technology can be used in such a way that it does allow students to take ownership of their learning. Similar to the Khan Academy video we watched in week 1 about high school math students. The students progressed at their own pace, with feedback that was immediate and relevant before they proceeded.

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Julie Book Julie Book (Feb 03 2018 10:18AM) : Facilitator more

That reminds me of the article that we read in 811 last semester about the Acton Academy—remember that? It seems that, along with the Khan Academy, is a good model of ISTE 5a.

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Robert Norman Robert Norman (Feb 03 2018 2:46PM) : And also more

They also get audio and visual cues for right and wrong answers. It seems like a small thing, but I’ll always remember my daughter clicking, hearing the little “magic” tone and saying “Smiley face!” (Can you tell I love Khan Academy?)

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Dr. Troy Hicks Dr. Troy Hicks (Jan 20 2017 12:40PM) : Management more

In this segment, she talks about “management.”

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Julie Book Julie Book (Jan 31 2018 2:02PM) : Difficulty more

ISTE #7 Analyst: I think that this is a more difficult change to make because of standardization (management). Teachers (and I may be generalizing) don’t have a lot of freedom in allowing for “alternate ways for students to demonstrate competency and reflect on their learning using technology” (ISTE Standards).

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Robert Norman Robert Norman (Feb 01 2018 2:17PM) : True more

Much of the innovation we strive for is bound by administration, and often administration is bound by some sort of governing board. Even so, I still think it’s important to have some standards like these to reach for.

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Julie Book Julie Book (Feb 03 2018 10:19AM) : Expectation more

Very true, Robert. There has to be some type of “standard” to show the measure of expectation.

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Robert Norman Robert Norman (Feb 03 2018 2:41PM) : But of course, as you point out... more

…who gets to make the standards? I guess the answer is, whoever takes the initiative, right? The next question would be, who vets the standard? For that, I would have to say educators themselves.

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Dr. Troy Hicks Dr. Troy Hicks (Jan 20 2017 12:41PM) : Charter Schools more

In this segment, she talks about “charter schools.”

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Pamela Wegener Pamela Wegener (Feb 02 2018 1:50PM) : Website [Edited] more

Erickson mentions you can look at the website and get excited about it, and the students are siloed into the same economic class. I don’t agree with her argument that class (economic) status overrides what learning can be accomplished with technology, whether in a charter school, public school, etc.

http://www.businessinsider.com/innova-schools-in-peru-offer-great-education-for-cheap-2015-7/

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Julie Book Julie Book (Feb 03 2018 10:23AM) : Disagree more

I agree with you, Pam. We absolutely have to consider the questions re: what effects the technology we are using will have on teachers/teaching and students/learning, but I think that having overreaching claims that pigeonhole students into certain outcomes based economic status lacks depth of thought.

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Dr. Troy Hicks Dr. Troy Hicks (Jan 20 2017 12:43PM) : Income and SES more

In this segment, she talks about “income and SES.”

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Julie Book Julie Book (Jan 31 2018 2:07PM) : Predicting Student Outcomes more

This section was shocking to me that only 30% of student success is related to the function of schools and 70% has to do with other factors such as family life, level of income etc. It seems to me that to gain the skills and knowledge they need (all 7 ISTE standards) is a very tough task to accomplish based on these odds.

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Robert Norman Robert Norman (Feb 01 2018 2:19PM) : Predictors more

I see it in my college all the time. The number one reason students drop out is due to family situations, not academics. I think this is an area were Student Services departments can work with Academic Affairs to try to come up with creative solutions.

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Julie Book Julie Book (Feb 02 2018 1:22PM) : Predictors cont'd more

Yes, I know what you mean, Robert. I was thinking mainly about K-12, I guess. I saw something (I think on Twitter), that a greater predictor of students’ abilities (I don’t think it was success, necessarily) -even more than family income, parents level of eduction, etc-was if they read for pleasure during the ages of 10-16.

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Pamela Wegener Pamela Wegener (Feb 02 2018 1:55PM) : ISTE#3 more

I don’t think in this segment she gives enough credit to the impact a teacher and others in education can have on a student’s ability. She states input=output…I agree with Julie, that students who read or take ownership of their learning will be successful regardless of their income or family life. I personally know of several alumni from my university who were either foster children or homeless until they came to college and they are now very successful judges, CEOs, and police officials.

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Dr. Troy Hicks Dr. Troy Hicks (Jan 20 2017 12:44PM) : Classroom Design more

In this segment, she talks about “classroom design.”

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Robert Norman Robert Norman (Jan 29 2018 5:45PM) : ISTE 4C more

She talks about collaborative tools here, which is an area of interest for all of us. ISTE 4C states:

“Use collaborative tools to expand students’ authentic, real-world learning experiences by engaging virtually with experts, teams and students, locally and globally.”

Answering the questions about whether this will be easy or difficult, I’ve found in my institution, this idea has been met enthusiastically, which was a surprise to me. I introduced videoconferencing a semester ago, and this past semester we had a professor from Howard University lecture to one of our classes in a community college in Arkansas. I wouldn’t call it easy to implement exactly, but once you take those barriers away, this type of collaboration is much closer than many of us thought.

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Pamela Wegener Pamela Wegener (Feb 02 2018 2:00PM) : ISTE 4b more

I feel as though Erickson should read ISTE 4b: “Collaborate and co-learn with students to discover and use new digital resources.” Emphasis on co-learn…

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Pamela Wegener Pamela Wegener (Feb 02 2018 1:42PM) : Robots? Presence? more

In this section, Erickson speaks about modifying teachers to scale and being replaced by robots. I personally don’t see this happening anytime soon, especially when teacher presences is such a concern in blended and online learning. Studies argue the importance of teacher presence to support academic success of students. ISTE#4

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Julie Book Julie Book (Feb 03 2018 10:26AM) : Corporation Mentality more

I think that there are some who think that this is the way to go, particularly with the ongoing ideas about the corporate model in education (students as customers etc.). Unfortunately, those in decision making roles don’t always pay attention to the research that is out there.

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Dr. Troy Hicks Dr. Troy Hicks (Jan 20 2017 12:46PM) : Curriculum Reform more

In this segment, she talks about “curriculum reform.”

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Pamela Wegener Pamela Wegener (Feb 02 2018 2:10PM) : Social Justice more

I found it difficult to listen to hear view about parents and the fight-back as social justice. Also her comments about students seen only as future workers. Being a parent, my children were able to manage homework, after-school clubs, sports, and family life, and it was hectic. But, their learning didn’t suffer, and they didn’t have time to engage in unhealthy activities. When I look to my senior citizen years (on a beach hopefully), I see the students of today utilizing their 21st Century workplace skills to care for me. If we don’t prepare students for the workplace (even at a young age through collaboration and communication skills) then what are we really preparing them for? Our country’s future does rest on their shoulders just like it does now on ours (as voters, etc.).

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Julie Book Julie Book (Feb 03 2018 10:29AM) : Consumers and Employees more

We probably do need to think about what the purpose of education is today as distinct from the 50s-60s. I think the ISTE standards recognize the changes that need to be made, not only with the evolution of technologies, but also the roles of educators and students.

DMU Timestamp: January 02, 2017 19:32

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