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The Lemon Grove Incident (Video)
Author: PBS from a story by By Robert R. Alvarez Jr.
https://video.valleypbs.org/video/the-lemon-grove-incident-gcrfxv/
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Aug 31
Emily V
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timeL 0-7 the school board had a meeting to discuss what they are go do the over population of mexicans at the school. one of them said that mexicans probably have diseases and the are unsanitized. they thought about putting them in different schools.
Aug 31
Allen A
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0-7 It looks like the school board is trying to find a way to separate the whites and mexicans to solve their problems instead of finding a solution that helps everyone rather than separating them as that seems kinda racist.
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Aug 31
Emily V
Emily V
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time: 8-15 once mexicans came to america from the south in order to find jobs they settles in lemon cove and made their own community. at school they were in separate classes to make them more american instead of learning.
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the white parents didn’t want mexican children to be in the same environment as their kids so they made a separate school
Aug 31
Vivianne L
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3) The Mexican Families group together after finding out about the separate schools to talk about this situation and many agreed to break the law by not sending their kids to school. They called themselves the Neighborhood Association of Lemon Grove.
Aug 31
Emily V
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time: 16-23 some of the mexican families united together in order to stop them from sending their children to a different school. they saw that they were being treated differently and if they went to that school they'd get handouts from the white school.
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the created the neighborhood association of lemon grove in order to boycott for their kids to have an equal education.
Aug 31
Alondra R
Alondra R
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Even within the Mexicans there was disagreement. Some argued to protest while other feared for their jobs. One of the ladies said their jobs wasn't as important as the future of their children. I totally respect that.
Aug 31
Alondra R
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The dispute between Roberto´s mom and the man was intense but I liked the fact of how she stood her ground. Roberto had great translating skills throughout the whole conversation.
Aug 31
Guadalupe A
Guadalupe A
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time 19:08 the lady was saying that times were though but that did not stop them. They had to keep there heads up for their kids,
Sep 1
Nicole G
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time:6:27 The school board discussed segregating schools because they believed that Mexicans were slowing down other students by not knowing English. They also ended up basing the decision on their own opinions instead of hearing the parents' thoughts.
Sep 1
Nicole G
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time:10:43 To teach Mexican students English, they were put in separate classrooms.These were called Americanization classes and were made so they would learn more since they were all learning the same thing and at the same pace.
Sep 1
Nicole G
Nicole G
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Time:19:28 The Mexican parents were not happy about the separate schools and knew that just because their children were Mexican they were being treated differently. They didn't find it fair that their kids had to go to what they referred to as a "barn".
Sep 2
Fabian L
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8-15 once the Mexicans came to America they made their own community in order to find jobs.
Sep 2
Alondra R
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The mexican parents meet with lawyers that are supportive of their cause of not segregating schools. The lawyers sit down with them and tell them that they are fully supporting them . This relieves the mexican parents.
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Sep 2
Fabian L
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16-23The parents are mad because their kids are being sent to barns instead of school
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Sep 2
Emily V
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time (24-27) some kids didnt go to the new school because the parents thought it was unfair. they threatened people with taking their warfare and sending the family to immigration.
Sep 2
Alondra R
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The opposing lawyer while questioning Roberto tried to use higher academic words in order to confuse him.
Sep 2
Mariah V
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By 1930, half of the students were mexicans. This was seen as a threat to the white people.
Sep 2
Emily V
Emily V
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time (28-36) the parents who made the meeting had called the mexican council to help them with the situation; they agreed to help them. the people who were trying to separate the schools had their own meeting and said that they are losing money because
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they’re out of school. a reporter had visited them and lied that mexicans have a leader which is why they are boycotting. he said “these are not like our mexican.” they had took the school council to court.
Sep 2
Yanet V
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Time:38:19 They are asking a mexican-american child if he wants to go back to regular school with the rest of the other kids. Then the kid begins to say things he does at school and the lawyer saying he's lying.
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Sep 2
Emily V
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time (36-43) roberto was a 12 year old student who was able to represent the mexican children in court. they argued that the only reason they built the school was to make mexican students not feel less because of the english speaking kids. one of the
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teachers said that because mexican kids lived in poverty that meant they were not qualified to be in the white school and leave them behind.
Sep 2
Vivianne L
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4) Mr. Loveless? I think is his name. Went around telling mexican parents to send their kids to school. He would even threaten them so they would go to school. In this situation he threaten to call immigration on this family to get them deported.
Sep 2
Vivianne L
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5) Mexicans went to complain to the Mexican Consulate, and ask Mr. Noon to help stop the segregation going on in Lemon Grove. Mr. Noon agrees with helping them. They are upset with how the school & school board is treating their kids.
Sep 2
Vivianne L
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5(2) ) As the mexican parents found out about the school they stopped sending their kids and the school board has gotten bad publicity because of this.
Sep 2
Vivianne L
Vivianne L
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6) This is the start of the Roberto Alvarez vs. the Board of Trustees of the Lemon Grove School District. As Roberto goes up to the stand he gets asked question about Carter Smith who only spoke english and not spanish but was in the class...
Sep 2
Vivianne L
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6(2) )...for spanish speakers. The other lawyer tries to confuse Roberto with a complex question to make it seem that he doesn't know english. But, the judge objects this question.
Sep 2
Vivianne L
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7) Mr. Anderson tries to sell lies to the Judge. Lying about it being safer for the Mexicans to go to school and knowing if the students could speak english or not. The judge gives his ruling and Roberto Alvarez wins this case.
Sep 2
Vivianne L
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8) One of the Lemon Grove School District people tries to want to appeal the case. The Lemon Grove School District gives up on trying to segregate them as they lost money.
Sep 3
Vivianne L
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2.2) What makes the School Board think this is a good idea to not tell the parents? Why did they think it would make a difference if they sent them to a different school if they're learning the same thing?
Sep 3
Emily V
Emily V
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time (44-52) when mr. anderson was also in court; they knew that the mexicans didn't like him because the way he treated them, they even boycotted his gas station. it was also relevant that some mexican children lived right across the school. many of the
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students were citizens as well. the judge then allowed all of the mexican students go back to school and all the mexican children were happy even people outside the community were relieved.
Sep 3
Emily V
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time (53-end) the secretary of the PTA wanted to take legal action and was against the mexican children going to the school but they couldn't. a student from the school who was older now said that they very much deserved to go to that school
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because they were hardworking people. the bliss bill was turned down, this helped all the mexican children pass as indians so they can go to school.
Sep 3
Alondra R
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(49:36 ) Mr.Anderson is testifying and the prescuating lawyers asks him that if the mexican children were to be Americanized would they be sent be back to the school.
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He also includes that the barn school is not only close to the Mexicans homes but also some whites.
Sep 3
Alondra R
Alondra R
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Lemon grove did not have the Mexican children segregated . Although in other parts in CA there was attempts to have Mexicans to be categorized as Indians. In 1947 there was five Mexican American parents in Santa Ana, CA who fought a state-wide ruling .
Sep 3
Diego B
Diego B
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he reporter tells Andy Anderson that the town seems peaceful and how could that have happened. He responds by saying that the mexicans don't act that way and that they must be following orders from someone.
Sep 3
Diego B
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hence. the Mexicans had won the case. Some board members wanted to continue fighting it but already spent money and attempted it in many ways. The white's had to just go with it, and deal with it in their own ways.
Sep 3
Diego B
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he appeared to talk to Roberto's mother because they have not been attending the new school. She isn't scared of him, so he threatens to call immigration on them if she doesn't listen.
Sep 6
Melina M
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It was the school boards idea to make this other school for the mexicans. The people of the school board signed their own petition to separate the whites and mexicans.
Sep 6
Melina M
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That the new school location would be easier for the children, yet some students live far away from it. As well some white kids living closer to the new school. Why shouldn't the white kids go there if they live closer to the new school than the other.
Sep 7
Allen A
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44-52 The school board lost in court as the other lawyer brought up the argument that the other school isn't helping anyone as all the problems its supposed to solve are still there and it even causes problems for others.
Sep 7
Allen A
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One of the ladies in the school board wanted to take the situation to a higher court but the rest decided they couldn't because they could not afford to, they already spent money on the new school, going to court, and now they had to pay fees because lost
Sep 7
Allen A
Allen A
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0-7 They school board was trying to find a way to seperate the students by race in favor of the whites.
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Sep 8
Rosa Z
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16-23 Mexican stading up for their students and saying they are also paying for the school so they also have the right to have their students in the same class their paying for it as the others.
Sep 8
Rosa Z
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24-27 Mothers aren't sending thier children to the barn and their only going to send their children to reguar school when they accpet them in their.
Sep 8
Rosa Z
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28-35 the consult wants to help out the mexicans students to have regular school as the others.
Sep 8
Rosa Z
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36-43 In court talking about letting them go back to school and why they don't let them go to regular school.
Sep 8
Rosa Z
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44-52 asked mr own who is the segergation he said his wife and the guy said theirs family fairs.
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Myira M
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it seem the white family more specifically the mom from white thinks the mexican kids are not hygienic
Aug 31
Guadalupe A
Guadalupe A
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It was a struggle for white people to accept that their race wasnt the only ones going to schhol.
Sep 2
Yanet V
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The lemon grove school board had called a meeting because they're were to many complaints about mexican-american children going to the same school as the white kids. The mexican families were not too happy that their children are going to school in a farm
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Aug 31
Estefania H
Estefania H
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The white parents didn't want mexicans in the Lemon Grove elementary school.
Aug 31
Estefania H
Estefania H
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The Mexicans and the Anglos didn't live on the same side of the town.They were in separate parts of the small town.
Aug 31
Alejandro M
Alejandro M
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Time 0-7: The school board made a meeting for to try to solve a overpopulation of Mexican children at the grammar school by discussing, they got to the conclusion that their solution to that was to separate the school for the Mexican children of the distr
Sep 3
Ariana O
Ariana O
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A lot of the mexicans worked in the packing house or the citrus orchard and by the 1930's there were nearly half of students that were Mexicans at the school and it threatened the white parents.
Sep 2
Yanet V
Yanet V
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a lot of mexicans started coming to america in the 1900's to seek work and a better life.
Sep 3
Liliana S
Liliana S
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I found it interesting and a good conservative way that the mexicans would stick together after comming down to the U.S. The video claims that they would make little communities how it was in mexico, and many of them baptized each others kids. They stick
Aug 31
Guadalupe A
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I can relate because when I used to live near san diego my parents would also say the same thing. My first language was Spanish.
Aug 31
Alondra R
Alondra R
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I found it interesting on how one of the gentlemen talks about his parents expressing that ¨from the door outside they were in the US but from the door inside they were in mexico¨.
Aug 31
Allen A
Allen A
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They wanted to send the mexican students to the new school without informing the parents, believing they would be okay with it.
Aug 31
Alejandro M
Alejandro M
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Time 8-15: Mexicans came later of the Mexican revolution, some Mexicans were seeking for work in the booming border region during the 1920 Mexicans created Mexicans varrios similars to Mexico. Mexicans parents was mad because their kinds could normal scho
Aug 31
Alejandro M
Alejandro M
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The Mexican parents was mad because the Americans wanted to separate their children to a special school only for Mexicans that notice for the Mexican parents was like an Umillation.
Sep 3
Liliana S
Liliana S
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Honestly it's really unfair to the mexican families, how they're being treated, whites have always felt superior to other races. It's embarrassing how they're not being treated fairly, especially since the parents have the same priorities, moving the
Sep 3
Liliana S
Liliana S
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Children to a barn? If you think about it, who would want that for their child, and they'd get hand me down on top of that, it's not right. They're making life more difficult and changing educational opportunities all because they're treating them
Sep 2
Allen A
Allen A
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The parents were upset that their children would not be going to the same school and felt it was unjust to seperat the children by race and have the mexicans kids go to a barn
Sep 3
Alejandro M
Alejandro M
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Time 24-27: This part of the video is about how the Americans was being unfair whit the Mexicans becuase they was trying that the children of the Mexicans would go to the new school only for Mexican children.
Sep 2
Guadalupe A
Guadalupe A
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the guy was telling the mom that the kids should be at school. The mexican american kids were segregated.
Sep 2
Melina M
Melina M
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People from the school are noticing that the mexican kids aren't attending school, so some showed up at their houses to see why and the mexican parents explained that they want the same equality as white kids to o to a normal school.
Sep 3
Liliana S
Liliana S
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It makes me furious at the fact that the white man was threatening the mexican families rights. It's obvious this is a racial situation and parents are upset about it. It's a crazy thought to me that county holds that much power, and can instantly scare a
Sep 3
Alejandro M
Alejandro M
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on this part of the video the Mexican parents asked for the help of the Mexican government because that problem what out of the hands and then the Americans received the notice that the Mexicans called to their government for help they was nervous
Sep 2
Guadalupe A
Guadalupe A
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The Hispanic parents went to the Mexican consult to explain to the people why the Mexican kids had to go to a separate "school." The Hispanic parents refuse sending their kids to that school.
Sep 2
Yanet V
Yanet V
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the family's of the mexican- american children don't like the idea of the kids being segregated.
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Sep 7
Mariah V
Mariah V
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I find it utterly disrespectful for Miss Markman to even say that the reason for the new school is to make the Mexican children less embarrassed about their learning abilities. If they really thought white children were 100% of the time better learners t
Sep 2
Yamile B
Yamile B
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According to the teacher many of the Mexican students are behind in her class ranging from 1-2 years behind in learning. She seems to approve of this new Amercianzation school, although she says she has no prejudice against the Mexican students.
Sep 3
Liliana S
Liliana S
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Both the perspectives were examined in the court. The teacher gives reasoning as to why she believes they should have a new school for the mexican children which is because they're falling behind 1-2 years, she claims she doesn't want them to feel inferio
Sep 3
Liliana S
Liliana S
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she gives her own opinion, about how most families live in poverty. There's only 2 teachers, and she only has one year of experience. It wasn't nessacary for her opinion in my eyes because I doubt she's even trying to be patient with each student
Sep 3
Alejandro M
Alejandro M
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on this part of the video the Mexicans brought the case to the court because they was unfair with the American decision of segregate to the Mexican children so the case was being fought
Sep 4
Fabian L
Fabian L
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During court they were explaining that why were mexican kids segregated when they needed more help and extra help
Sep 7
Guadalupe A
Guadalupe A
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The Mexican parents should have been asked how they felt about theirs kids new school. It would be a whole different experience with white parents because they would have gaven them a chance to give their opinions.
Sep 3
Nicole G
Nicole G
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Mr. Anderson argued that the new school would be safer for Mexicans so they wouldn't have to cross to the east side of town, but some Mexicans lived on the same side of the regular school so they'd still have to cross to the other side of town to get
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to the new school. Some white students even lived on the west side of town where the new school was, but were also having to cross to the other side of town to get to the regular school so the school board couldn’t use trying to make it safer for Mexicans as an excuse.
Sep 7
Mariah V
Mariah V
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The Judge has explained that He sees this as unfair, and it is important for the mexican students to be around whites so that they can learn English.He makes many other points as to why the segregation is not right.
Sep 7
Guadalupe A
Guadalupe A
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The Mexicans won the case. The judge explained how unfair it was too the Mexican kids to not have a proper education.
Sep 4
Alejandro M
Alejandro M
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On this part of the video the lawyers was trying to win by discusing the situation that was happening the lawyer of the part of the Mexicans was defending the desegregation and the other lawyer was trying segregate at the end of the court the Mexicans won
Examine Roberto Alvarez vs. the Board of Trustees of the Lemon Grove School District, the first successful school desegregation court decision in the history of the United States.
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Aug 31
Jesusita G
Jesusita G
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the school board met to talk about how the mexican kids need to have their own school
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Aug 31
Yamile B
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The lady talks about the Mexican families as if she were disgusted by them. The majority seem to agree with each other to separate the kids, except for one of the lady's.
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Aug 31
Vivianne L
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The women with short hair says"Do you really think they'd want that?"after being told that mexicans want segregated schools by one of the white men. Why do they think that they can speak on this situation when they aren't even mexican?
Aug 31
Jesusita G
Jesusita G
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8-15 is explaining the way the school was for the students and their point of view
Aug 31
Fabian L
Fabian L
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Lemon grove school board called a special meeting because some residents were concerned about the growing numbers of Mexican American children in the elementary school
Aug 31
Juan V
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They want to seperate Mexicans and white because the Mexicans cant speak english good.
Aug 31
Vivianne L
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2) The School Board decided to still build the new school to segregate the Mexicans and Whites and chose not to notify the Mexican parents of this decision of their kids moving schools because they knew it would cause problems.
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Vanessa G
Vanessa G
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The white people did not like that mexican kids were attending the same school as the white kids.
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