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[2 of 5] Their Eyes Were Watching God, Chapters 5-8, by Zora Neale Hurston (1937) copy 01

Author: Zora Neale Hurston

“Chapters 5 - 8.” Their Eyes Were Watching God, by Zora Neale Hurston et al., Harper Perennial Modern Classics, 2013. Originally published by J. B. Lippincott, September 18, 1937.


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On the train the next day, Joe didn’t make many speeches with rhymes to her, but he bought her the best things the butcher had, like apples and a glass lantern full of candies. Mostly he talked about plans for the town when he got there. They were bound to need somebody like him. Janie took a lot of looks at him and she was proud of what she saw. Kind of portly like rich white folks. Strange trains, and people and places didn’t scare him neither. Where they got off the train at Maitland he found a buggy to carry them over to the colored town right away.

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Sara K Sara K (Mar 22 2024 8:40AM) : I have a mixed reaction to this sentence. It *seems* as if Joe is moving from words to actions, which would be a positive development, but there seems to be a hint of sadness behind it.
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Coen I Coen I (Mar 24 2024 10:31PM) : I feel that rather than just a tone of sadness it's its own kind of loss. Though it could be seen as growth or development, Joe's changes are inspired by a need to change from a place of shame in his identity or self
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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 10:47PM) : And I feel that it is not even a sadness or a loss, but a realization. It's like her realization that the Joe who wooed her is not going to remain and this is the markings of something new.
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It was early in the afternoon when they got there, so Joe said they must walk over the place and look around. They locked arms and strolled from end to end of the town. Joe noted the scant dozen of shame-faced houses scattered in the sand and palmetto roots and said, “God, they call this a town? Why, ’tain’t nothing but a raw place in de woods.”

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James W James W (Mar 21 2024 7:02PM) : disappointment upon entering the town more

This quote shows that upon entering the town both Janie and Joe are disappointed and underwhelmed at the state of the town

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Autumn B Autumn B (Mar 22 2024 10:15PM) : I feel like, reading back over this, the start of their relationship is Joe immediately taking over. Joe said to walk around, so of course that's what they will do. The relationship started out with his control before it ever slipped to abuse
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annie h annie h (Mar 24 2024 4:23PM) : Joe [Edited] more

I agree because I found while reading later chapters it is easy to feel that Joe turned into a manipulative and controlling husband as a result of becoming mayor. However, rereading sentences such as this one shows that he has always been controlling and manipulative, Janie just lacked awareness (causing us as readers to lack awareness) because she was so excited by this new life ahead of her.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 10:51PM) : I mean, isn't that partly the time period though? Yes, he is very controlling but Joe also mentions it throughout that he doesn't think Janie should be in control but it's right after the Civil War and First-Wave Feminism hasn't really hit yet. more

I’m more inclined to agree with you two also rereading this part about the manipulativeness, but the alternate viewpoint is nice

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Julia E Julia E (Apr 11 2024 8:41PM) : From the perspective of someone who has already read all of Joe's parts, Joe approach to Janie began with inappropriateness stemming from a predators approach. He asked Janie her age, if she's married and still went after her. To joe he mostly wanted... more

a trophy wife who he can parade around and tell what to do. Janie fit the bill of being desperate and naive enough to go with him not realizing the obvious red flags of his controlling nature. This could partly be from her never knowing a difference – Logan was controlling, and Nanny was too.

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Bella P Bella P (Mar 24 2024 9:50PM) : Beginning of relationship more

Their relationship is painted as a loving one, from both Joe’s actions and their overall documented time together.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 10:53PM) : I love how Hurston mixes narration with town perspective. Because you're right. It does seem like a loving relationship and I think that's what Hurston keeps trying to prove throughout this chapter and the following is that the other people have no idea more

what is going on…I mean Janie doesn’t really (at this point) but it is a wonderful way to situate the relationship from a literary perspective

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“It is a whole heap littler than Ah thought.” Janie admitted her disappointment.

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Colton S Colton S (Mar 20 2025 6:45PM) : Diction Choice of I more

I keep noticing Hurstons choice of using Ah to represent I in dialogue instead of I itself, I find this super interesting in the characterization of them.

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“Just like Ah thought,” Joe said. “A whole heap uh talk and nobody doin’ nothin’. I god, where’s de Mayor?” he asked somebody. “Ah want tuh speak wid de Mayor.”

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Bella P Bella P (Mar 24 2024 9:55PM) : Joe's arrogance? more

Although this phrase is most likely hyperbolic, the entitlement that comes with this phrase makes me somewhat unsure of Joe’s personality overall?

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 10:55PM) : While I don't think it's directly arrogance, I do think that it is something dark and controlling. Possibly hinting at Janie and his relationship for foreshadowing.
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Two men who were sitting on their shoulderblades under a huge live oak tree almost sat upright at the tone of his voice. They stared at Joe’s face, his clothes and his wife.

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Sara K Sara K (Mar 22 2024 8:53AM) : The use of polysyndeton (the repetition of "and" before each item - face, clothes, wife) intensifies the scrutiny and attention given to each aspect of Joe.
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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 10:56PM) : I don't see a polysyndeton here but I do think the starting of the sentence with "They" and not giving much context as to what they see gives the same effect.
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“Where y’all come from in sich uh big haste?” Lee Coker asked.

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“Middle Georgy,” Starks answered briskly. “Joe Starks is mah name, from in and through Georgy.”

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“You and yo’ daughter goin’ tuh join wid us in fellowship?” the other reclining figure asked. “Mighty glad tuh have yuh. Hicks is the name. Guv’nor Amos Hicks from Buford, South Carolina. Free, single, disengaged.”

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“I god, Ah ain’t nowhere near old enough to have no grown daughter. This here is mah wife.”

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Coen I Coen I (Mar 25 2024 12:12AM) : This ties conveniently into both of the progressive strains on Joe's character that lead to him and Janie growing apart and eventually fracturing -- his preoccupation with his age and status among men, and his fervent insecurity regarding Janie and others
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ADDISON C ADDISON C (Apr 11 2024 11:36AM) : Affection more

This quote shows just how deeply Tea Cake cares for Janie, despite their age difference. Tea cake proudly claims Janie as his wife, and he chooses to reject the idea that she could be mistaken for his daughter. This was an extremely powerful statement that challenges societal norms and expectations for marriage.

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Hicks sank back and lost interest at once.

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“Where is de Mayor?” Starks persisted. “Ah wants tuh talk wid him.”

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“Youse uh mite too previous for dat,” Coker told him. “Us ain’t got none yit.”

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“Ain’t got no Mayor! Well, who tells y’all what to do?”

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“Nobody. Everybody’s grown. And then agin, Ah reckon us just ain’t thought about it. Ah know Ah ain’t.”

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“Ah did think about it one day,” Hicks said dreamily, “but then Ah forgot it and ain’t thought about it since then.”

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“No wonder things ain’t no better,” Joe commented. “Ah’m buyin’ in here, and buyin’ in big. Soon’s we find some place to sleep tonight us menfolks got to call people together and form a committee. Then we can get things movin’ round here.”

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Emma V Emma V (Mar 20 2024 6:23PM) : A Position to be Filled more

Starks entered this town with the notion that it was well established, as did Janie, but discovered it needed a mayor. Starks now has this idea of being some form of pioneer, almost a savior, for the town by forming a committee and “getting things moving”. If he’s able, I wonder how the power will affect him as a person and the very new and delicate marriage he has with Janie.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 10:57PM) : When I read this for the first time I thought the same thing. It kind of feels like he thinks he's predetermined to be the face of a town and it does feel dark in a way.
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Mariah W Mariah W (Mar 25 2024 8:01AM) : Jody has a huge sense of pride and ambititon when it comes to entering the small town. Just like you said Annie, Janie feels uncomfortable with this position. Even though his initial intention was to improve the town, he ends up separating himself with more

the town and becomes too prideful flaunting his riches.

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“Ah kin point yuh where yuh kin sleep,” Hicks offered. “Man got his house done built and his wife ain’t come yet.”

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Starks and Janie moved on off in the direction indicated with Hicks and Coker boring into their backs with looks.

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“Dat man talks like a section foreman,” Coker commented. “He’s mighty compellment.”

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“Shucks!” said Hicks. “Mah britches is just as long as his. But dat wife uh hisn! Ah’m uh son of uh Combunction if Ah don’t go tuh Georgy and git me one just like her.”

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“Whut wid?”

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“Wid mah talk, man.”

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“It takes money tuh feed pretty women. Dey gits uh lavish uh talk.”

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“Not lak mine. Dey loves to hear me talk because dey can’t understand it. Mah co-talkin’ is too deep. Too much co to it.”

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“Umph!”

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“You don’t believe me, do yuh? You don’t know de women Ah kin git to mah command.”

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“Umph!”

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“You ain’t never seen me when Ah’m out pleasurin’ and givin’ pleasure.”

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“Umph!”

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“It’s uh good thing he married her befo’ she seen me. Ah kin be some trouble when Ah take uh notion.”

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“Umph!”

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“Ah’m uh bitch’s baby round lady people.”

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“Ah’s much ruther see all dat than to hear ’bout it. Come on less go see whut he gointuh do ’bout dis town.”

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They got up and sauntered over to where Starks was living for the present. Already the town had found the strangers. Joe was on the porch talking to a small group of men. Janie could be seen through the bedroom window getting settled. Joe had rented the house for a month. The men were all around him, and he was talking to them by asking questions.

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annie h annie h (Mar 24 2024 4:29PM) : Porches more

Once again, the symbol of the porch represents community and serves as the center of discussion and activity within the town. However, Janie’s position inside rather than on the porch with her husband shows how she feels out of place in the community and uncomfortable in the position as the wife of a man with influence.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 10:58PM) : Loved this symbolism for Janie's exclusion. It's also interesting to see how she's behind a window while they're on the porch and kind of on display for the men and the town.
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Julia E Julia E (Apr 11 2024 8:44PM) : symbols more

I think the porches represent either traditional gender roles or a form of freedom. Janie isn’t allowed on the porch, but she is allowed to look out upon them through the window you mentioned, Holden. The men are able to sit freely, discuss freely, and joke freely, while the women have to do all the work.

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“Whut is de real name of de place?”

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“Some say West Maitland and some say Eatonville. Dat’s ’cause Cap’n Eaton give us some land along wid Mr. Laurence. But Cap’n Eaton give de first piece.”

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“How much did they give?”

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“Oh ’bout fifty acres.”

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“How much is y’all got now?”

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“Oh ’bout de same.”

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“Dat ain’t near enough. Who owns de land joining on to whut yuh got?”

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“Cap’n Eaton.”

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“Where is dis Cap’n Eaton?”

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“Over dere in Maitland, ’ceptin’ when he go visitin’ or somethin’.”

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“Lemme speak to mah wife a minute and Ah’m goin’ see de man. You cannot have no town without some land to build it on. Y’all ain’t got enough here to cuss a cat on without gittin’ yo’ mouf full of hair.”

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“He ain’t got no mo’ land tuh give away. Yuh needs plenty money if yuh wants any mo’.”

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“Ah specks to pay him.”

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The idea was funny to them and they wanted to laugh. They tried hard to hold it in, but enough incredulous laughter burst out of their eyes and leaked from the corners of their mouths to inform anyone of their thoughts. So Joe walked off abruptly. Most of them went along to show him the way and to be there when his bluff was called.

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Hicks didn’t go far. He turned back to the house as soon as he felt he wouldn’t be missed from the crowd and mounted the porch.

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“Evenin’, Miz Starks.”

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“Good evenin’.”

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“You reckon you gointuh like round here?”

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“Ah reckon so.”

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“Anything Ah kin do tuh help out, why you kin call on me.”

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“Much obliged.”

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There was a long dead pause. Janie was not jumping at her chance like she ought to. Look like she didn’t hardly know he was there. She needed waking up.

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“Folks must be mighty close-mouthed where you come from.”

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“Dat’s right. But it must be different at yo’ home.”

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He was a long time thinking but finally he saw and stumbled down the steps with a surly “ ’Bye.”

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“Good bye.”

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That night Coker asked him about it.

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“Ah saw yuh when yuh ducked back tuh Starks’ house. Well, how didja make out?”

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“Who, me? Ah ain’t been near de place, man. Ah been down tuh de lake tryin’ tuh ketch me uh fish.”

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“Umph!”

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“Dat ’oman ain’t so awfully pretty no how when yuh take de second look at her. Ah had to sorta pass by de house on de way back and seen her good. ’Tain’t nothin’ to her ’ceptin’ dat long hair.”

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“Umph!”

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“And anyhow, Ah done took uhlikin’ tuh de man. Ah wouldn’t harm him at all. She ain’t half ez pretty ez uh gal Ah run off and left up in South Cal’lina.”

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“Hicks, Ah’d git mad and say you wuz lyin’ if Ah didn’t know yuh so good. You just talkin’ to consolate yo’self by word of mouth. You got uh willin’ mind, but youse too light behind. A whole heap uh men seen de same thing you seen but they got better sense than you. You oughta know you can’t take no ’oman lak dat from no man lak him. A man dat ups and buys two hundred acres uh land at one whack and pays cash for it.”

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Emma V Emma V (Mar 20 2024 6:33PM) : Envy more

The other townsfolk have jealousy rooting itself towards the newcomer and his wife. As a way to cope, one of the men makes attempts to degrade Janie, essentially saying she isn’t much to look at, but the other catches on quickly. The mere fact that this couple, a man with a strong initiative and his beautiful wife, entered the town and bought up acres of land gives them this untouchable aura. This is evident in the man saying “you can’t take no woman (like Janie) away from a man like him (Starks)”. I feel as though the bitter envy that’s brewing will return later on in the text.

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Colton S Colton S (Mar 20 2025 7:04PM) : Good Point for historical context more

I think you are completely on the money considering where the story is at and it’s understanding, this “untouchable aura” you talk about is extremely prevelent and I think it will be a issue later on.

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“Naw! He didn’t buy it sho nuff?”

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“He sho did. Come off wid de papers in his pocket. He done called a meetin’ on his porch tomorrow. Ain’t never seen no sich uh colored man befo’ in all mah bawn days. He’s gointuh put up uh store and git uh post office from de Goven’ment.”

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That irritated Hicks and he didn’t know why. He was the average mortal. It troubled him to get used to the world one way and then suddenly have it turn different. He wasn’t ready to think of colored people in post offices yet. He laughed boisterously.

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Colton S Colton S (Mar 20 2025 7:12PM) : Average Mortal more

I love the way they describe Hicks as the “average Mortal” it truly shows how discriminatory they were towards blacks at this time and his own attitudes in the situation.

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“Y’all let dat stray darky tell y’all any ole lie! Uh colored man sittin’ up in uh post office!” He made an obscene sound.

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“He’s liable tuh do it too, Hicks. Ah hope so anyhow. Us colored folks is too envious of one ’nother. Dat’s how come us don’t git no further than us do. Us talks about de white man keepin’ us down! Shucks! He don’t have tuh. Us keeps our own selves down.”

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“Now who said Ah didn’t want de man tuh git us uh post office? He kin be de king uh Jerusalem fuh all Ah keer. Still and all, ’tain’t no use in telling lies just ’cause uh heap uh folks don’t know no better. Yo’ common sense oughta tell yuh de white folks ain’t goin’ tuh ’low him tuh run no post office.”

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“Dat we don’t know, Hicks. He say he kin and Ah b’lieve he know whut he’s talkin’ ’bout. Ah reckon if colored folks got they own town they kin have post offices and whatsoever they please, regardless. And then agin, Ah don’t speck de white folks way off yonder give uh damn. Less us wait and see.”

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“Oh, Ah’m waitin’ all right. Specks tuh keep on waitin’ till hell freeze over.”

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“Aw, git reconciled! Dat woman don’t want you. You got tuh learn dat all de women in de world ain’t been brought up on no teppentine still, and no saw-mill camp. There’s some women dat jus’ ain’t for you tuh broach. You can’t git her wid no fish sandwich.”

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They argued a bit more then went on to the house where Joe was and found him in his shirt-sleeves, standing with his legs wide apart, asking questions and smoking a cigar.

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“Where’s de closest saw-mill?” He was asking Tony Taylor.

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“ ’Bout seben miles goin’ t’wards Apopka,” Tony told him. “Thinkin’ ’bout buildin’ right away?”

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“I god, yeah. But not de house Ah specks tuh live in. Dat kin wait till Ah make up mah mind where Ah wants it located. Ah figgers we all needs uh store in uh big hurry.”

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“Uh store?” Tony shouted in surprise.

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“Yeah, uh store right heah in town wid everything in it you needs. ’Tain’t uh bit uh use in everybody proagin’ way over tuh Maitland tuh buy uh little meal and flour when they could git it right heah.”

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“Dat would be kinda nice, Brother Starks, since you mention it.”

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“I god, course it would! And then agin uh store is good in other ways. Ah got tuh have a place tuh be at when folks comes tuh buy land. And furthermo’ everything is got tuh have uh center and uh heart tuh it, and uh town ain’t no different from nowhere else. It would be natural fuh de store tuh be meetin’ place fuh de town.”

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“Dat sho is de truth, now.”

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“Oh, we’ll have dis town all fixed up tereckly. Don’t miss bein’ at de meetin’ tuhmorrow.”

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Just about time for the committee meeting called to meet on his porch next day, the first wagon load of lumber drove up and Jody went to show them where to put it. Told Janie to hold the committee there until he got back, he didn’t want to miss them, but he meant to count every foot of that lumber before it touched the ground. He could have saved his breath and Janie could have kept right on with what she was doing. In the first place everybody was late in coming; then the next thing as soon as they heard where Jody was, they kept right on up there where the new lumber was rattling off the wagon and being piled under the big live oak tree. So that’s where the meeting was held with Tony Taylor acting as chairman and Jody doing all the talking. A day was named for roads and they all agreed to bring axes and things like that and chop out two roads running each way. That applied to everybody except Tony and Coker. They could carpenter, so Jody hired them to go to work on his store bright and soon the next morning. Jody himself would be busy driving around from town to town telling people about Eatonville and drumming up citizens to move there.

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Janie was astonished to see the money Jody had spent for the land come back to him so fast. Ten new families bought lots and moved to town in six weeks. It all looked too big and rushing for her to keep track of. Before the store had a complete roof, Jody had canned goods piled on the floor and was selling so much he didn’t have time to go off on his talking tours. She had her first taste of presiding over it the day it was complete and finished. Jody told her to dress up and stand in the store all that evening. Everybody was coming sort of fixed up, and he didn’t mean for nobody else’s wife to rank with her. She must look on herself as the bell-cow, the other women were the gang. So she put on one of her bought dresses and went up the new-cut road all dressed in wine-colored red. Her silken ruffles rustled and muttered about her. The other women had on percale and calico with here and there a headrag among the older ones.

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Nobody was buying anything that night. They didn’t come there for that. They had come to make a welcome. So Joe knocked in the head of a barrel of soda crackers and cut some cheese.

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“Everybody come right forward and make merry. I god, it’s mah treat.” Jody gave one of his big heh heh laughs and stood back. Janie dipped up the lemonade like he told her. A big tin cup full for everybody. Tony Taylor felt so good when it was all gone that he felt to make a speech.

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“Ladies and gent’men, we’se come tuhgether and gethered heah tuh welcome tuh our midst one who has seen fit tuh cast in his lot amongst us. He didn’t just come hisself neither. He have seen fit tuh bring his, er, er, de light uh his home, dat is his wife amongst us also. She couldn’t look no mo’ better and no nobler if she wuz de queen uh England. It’s uh pledger fuh her tuh be heah amongst us. Brother Starks, we welcomes you and all dat you have seen fit tuh bring amongst us—yo’ beloved wife, yo’ store, yo’ land—”

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A big-mouthed burst of laughter cut him short.

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“Dat’ll do, Tony,” Lige Moss yelled out. “Mist’ Starks is uh smart man, we’se all willin’ tuh acknowledge tuh dat, but de day he comes waggin’ down de road wid two hund’ed acres uf land over his shoulder, Ah wants tuh be dere tuh see it.”

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Bella P Bella P (Mar 24 2024 10:12PM) : Joe's reputation more

It seems as if Joe is both revered and looked down upon. Yes, his ideas are outlandish, but it appears he may be able to carry out them regardless.

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Julia E Julia E (Apr 11 2024 8:47PM) : I think to the townspeople, Joe seems like a white man coming in to take charge. They listen to him because he has the ideas that befit a white man of this time. The townspeople seemed very content with their life but once Joe strolls in and starts... more

Talking about stores and post shops, they followed along. So in a way Joe is kinda appearing to take on the role of being a white savior with Janie helping establish this position due to her complexion and Joe keeping her looked away inside.

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Another big blow-out of a laugh. Tony was a little peeved at having the one speech of his lifetime ruined like that.

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“All y’all know whut wuz meant. Ah don’t see how come—”

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“ ’Cause you jump up tuh make speeches and don’t know how,” Lige said.

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“Ah wuz speakin’ jus’ all right befo’ you stuck yo’ bill in.”

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“Naw, you wuzn’t, Tony. Youse way outa jurisdiction. You can’t welcome uh man and his wife ’thout you make comparison about Isaac and Rebecca at de well, else it don’t show de love between ’em if you don’t.”

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Everybody agreed that that was right. It was sort of pitiful for Tony not to know he couldn’t make a speech without saying that. Some tittered at his ignorance. So Tony said testily, “If all them dat’s gointuh cut de monkey is done cut it and through wid, we’ll thank Brother Starks fuh a respond.”

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So Joe Starks and his cigar took the center of the floor.

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“Ah thanks you all for yo’ kind welcome and for extendin’ tuh me de right hand uh fellowship. Ah kin see dat dis town is full uh union and love. Ah means tuh put mah hands tuh de plow heah, and strain every nerve tuh make dis our town de metropolis uh de state. So maybe Ah better tell yuh in case you don’t know dat if we expect tuh move on, us got tuh incorporate lak every other town. Us got tuh incorporate, and us got tuh have uh mayor, if things is tuh be done and done right. Ah welcome you all on behalf uh me and mah wife tuh dis store and tuh de other things tuh come. Amen.”

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Tony led the loud hand-clapping and was out in the center of the floor when it stopped.

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“Brothers and sisters, since us can’t never expect tuh better our choice, Ah move dat we make Brother Starks our Mayor until we kin see further.”

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“Second dat motion!!!” It was everybody talking at once, so it was no need of putting it to a vote.

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“And now we’ll listen tuh uh few words uh encouragement from Mrs. Mayor Starks.”

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The burst of applause was cut short by Joe taking the floor himself.

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“Thank yuh fuh yo’ compliments, but mah wife don’t know nothin’ ’bout no speech-makin’. Ah never married her for nothin’ lak dat. She’s uh woman and her place is in de home.”

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Sara K Sara K (Mar 22 2024 8:59AM) : How do you know, Joe? Have you ever asked Janie what she thinks about making a speech? Joe's immediate dismissal of Janie - in front of the entire town - is infuriating to witness.
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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:00PM) : I love having read ahead before seeing this comment and how Janie later proves this statement from Joe wrong
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Coen I Coen I (Mar 25 2024 12:18AM) : I think beyond that it isn't a matter of ignorance but willful control. Joe is starting to become so preoccupied with his newfound respect and dignity that he believes it to be a separate platform from Janie entirely. more

While he insists that Janie should maintain decorum and value her own status granted to her by way of Joe’s authority, he expects subservience that gives respect to his authority by all — and especially so from Janie, who as he sees he has given her implied authority or respect, has an obligation to uphold his own authority and respect by remaining subservient and grateful. This leads to his growing obsession with image and is possibly the first hint of such

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Mariah W Mariah W (Mar 25 2024 8:07AM) : This is one of the first instances where Jody uses his power against Janie, implying that she has to be submissive and unable to make a speech of her own. Jody is hungry for power and often tries to silence Janie. All that Janie want to do is to have a more

voice and to be heard amongst the townsfolk

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Janie made her face laugh after a short pause, but it wasn’t too easy. She had never thought of making a speech, and didn’t know if she cared to make one at all. It must have been the way Joe spoke out without giving her a chance to say anything one way or another that took the bloom off of things. But anyway, she went down the road behind him that night feeling cold. He strode along invested with his new dignity, thought and planned out loud, unconscious of her thoughts.

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Emma V Emma V (Mar 20 2024 6:53PM) : Hubris more

The power of being this town’s revival has slowly seeped into Starks’ head. What he’s presenting now is tell-tale signs of hubris, and if parables hold any weight, this hubris may be Starks’ ruin. While Jody may be doing the brunt of establishing the town, it’s typical to want a united front as the town’s mayoral couple. However, Jody essentially said “my wife is too ignorant to make a speech” in front of a mass of people who now look up to her. This will not bode well for the future of their relationship.

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Bella P Bella P (Mar 24 2024 10:14PM) : I agree! From the start, Joe always struck me as a self-righteous and highly arrogant individual, and his dismissal of Janie just furthers that assumption.
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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:02PM) : Bloom more

The fact that this paragraph ties back to Janie’s initial idea of love and the tree/flower metaphor, and how Joe’s dismissal of her is basically making the flower wilt, is insane. It makes the reader see just how much this hurts for Janie.

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“De mayor of uh town lak dis can’t lay round home too much. De place needs buildin’ up. Janie, Ah’ll git hold uh somebody tuh help out in de store and you kin look after things whilst Ah drum up things otherwise.”

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“Oh Jody, Ah can’t do nothin’ wid no store lessen youse there. Ah could maybe come in and help you when things git rushed, but—”

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“I god, Ah don’t see how come yuh can’t. ’Tain’t nothin’ atall tuh hinder yuh if yuh got uh thimble full uh sense. You got tuh. Ah got too much else on mah hands as Mayor. Dis town needs some light right now.”

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“Unhhunh, it is uh little dark right long heah.”

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“ ’Course it is. ’Tain’t no use in scufflin’ over all dese stumps and roots in de dark. Ah’ll call uh meetin’ bout de dark and de roots right away. Ah’ll sit on dis case first thing.”

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The very next day with money out of his own pocket he sent off to Sears, Roebuck and Company for the street lamp and told the town to meet the following Thursday night to vote on it. Nobody had ever thought of street lamps and some of them said it was a useless notion. They went so far as to vote against it, but the majority ruled.

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But the whole town got vain over it after it came. That was because the Mayor didn’t just take it out of the crate and stick it up on a post. He unwrapped it and had it wiped off carefully and put it up on a showcase for a week for everybody to see. Then he set a time for the lighting and sent word all around Orange County for one and all to come to the lamplighting. He sent men out to the swamp to cut the finest and the straightest cypress post they could find, and kept on sending them back to hunt another one until they found one that pleased him. He had talked to the people already about the hospitality of the occasion.

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“Y’all know we can’t invite people to our town just dry long so. I god, naw. We got tuh feed ’em something, and ’tain’t nothin’ people laks better’n barbecue. Ah’ll give one whole hawg mah ownself. Seem lak all de rest uh y’all put tuhgether oughta be able tuh scrape up two mo’. Tell yo’ womenfolks tuh do ’round ’bout some pies and cakes and sweet p’tater pone.”

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That’s the way it went, too. The women got together the sweets and the men looked after the meats. The day before the lighting, they dug a big hole in back of the store and filled it full of oak wood and burned it down to a glowing bed of coals. It took them the whole night to barbecue the three hogs. Hambo and Pearson had full charge while the others helped out with turning the meat now and then while Hambo swabbed it all over with the sauce. In between times they told stories, laughed and told more stories and sung songs. They cut all sorts of capers and whiffed the meat as it slowly came to perfection with the seasoning penetrating to the bone. The younger boys had to rig up the saw-horses with boards for the women to use as tables. Then it was after sun-up and everybody not needed went home to rest up for the feast.

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By five o’clock the town was full of every kind of a vehicle and swarming with people. They wanted to see that lamp lit at dusk. Near the time, Joe assembled everybody in the street before the store and made a speech.

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“Folkses, de sun is goin’ down. De Sun-maker brings it up in de mornin’, and de Sun-maker sends it tuh bed at night. Us poor weak humans can’t do nothin’ tuh hurry it up nor to slow it down. All we can do, if we want any light after de settin’ or befo’ de risin’, is tuh make some light ourselves. So dat’s how come lamps was made. Dis evenin’ we’se all assembled heah tuh light uh lamp. Dis occasion is something for us all tuh remember tuh our dyin’ day. De first street lamp in uh colored town. Lift yo’ eyes and gaze on it. And when Ah touch de match tuh dat lampwick let de light penetrate inside of yuh, and let it shine, let it shine, let it shine. Brother Davis, lead us in a word uh prayer. Ask uh blessin’ on dis town in uh most particular manner.”

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Emma V Emma V (Mar 20 2024 7:05PM) : Biblical Allusion more

Jody’s “Let It Shine” is akin to gospel hymns. The idea that Jody, a mere man, is “bringing light” to this town puts him on the same pedestal as Jesus, the Light of the World. His saying that the sun coming and going on its own won’t stop men from creating light themselves paints him as an extension of God.

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Sara K Sara K (Mar 22 2024 9:05AM) : We once again see the sun and God motifs here in this speech. The idea of the light spreading literally and figuratively to the black people in this town is a wonder to behold, but Joe painting himself as the "savior" makes it feel less so.
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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:05PM) : When Joe first walks into town he is also presented as very savior-like in appearance and the way the townspeople describe him also draws to mind a savior-like figure and it is alarming. More so is the way that Joe just isn't nice; maybe the mighty fall
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Mariah W Mariah W (Mar 25 2024 8:10AM) : Jody desires to "be God" in this situation in which he brings light to the townsfolk, hence the biblical allusion of bring light to people. He wants to be the most important member of the town now that he is mayor. He wants to silence Janie into just more

being a town figure and not being treated like a regular human. Through controlling the light in the town, Like Holden said, he takes the role as a savior

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While Davis chanted a traditional prayer-poem with his own variations, Joe mounted the box that had been placed for the purpose and opened the brazen door of the lamp. As the word Amen was said, he touched the lighted match to the wick, and Mrs. Bogle’s alto burst out in:

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We’ll walk in de light, de beautiful light

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Come where the dew drops of mercy shine bright

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Shine all around us by day and by night

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Jesus, the light of the world.

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They, all of them, all of the people took it up and sung it over and over until it was wrung dry, and no further innovations of tone and tempo were conceivable. Then they hushed and ate barbecue.

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When it was all over that night in bed Jody asked Janie, “Well, honey, how yuh lak bein’ Mrs. Mayor?”

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“It’s all right Ah reckon, but don’t yuh think it keeps us in uh kinda strain?”

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“Strain? You mean de cookin’ and waitin’ on folks?”

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“Naw, Jody, it jus’ looks lak it keeps us in some way we ain’t natural wid one ’nother. You’se always off talkin’ and fixin’ things, and Ah feels lak Ah’m jus’ markin’ time. Hope it soon gits over.”

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“Over, Janie? I god, Ah ain’t even started good. Ah told you in de very first beginnin’ dat Ah aimed tuh be uh big voice. You oughta be glad, ’cause dat makes uh big woman outa you.”

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A feeling of coldness and fear took hold of her. She felt far away from things and lonely.

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Bella P Bella P (Mar 24 2024 10:18PM) : Realization more

I think Janie is starting to regret her relationship with Joe a bit. The limelight that comes with being a politician’s wife is not her idea of a good life, sadly.

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Coen I Coen I (Mar 25 2024 12:23AM) : Janie offers her first definite feelings about things, when up until now she had at most vague sensations regarding what is happening with Joe, such as a feeling of unplaced dread regarding Joe declining her opportunity to speak in the store. more

We can see here that she feels truly at odds with not only Joe’s behaviour, but the person he is unveiling himself to be or become. What she wished for and expected from a marriage with Joe she know feels are out of sync with those things Joe expects and engages with in life. Mutuality, romance, respect, and tenderness are betrayed to her as these things do not produce to Joe the value of authority, image, respect, or success, and she is beginning to realise that this endangers their future


Janie soon began to feel the impact of awe and envy against her sensibilities. The wife of the Mayor was not just another woman as she had supposed. She slept with authority and so she was part of it in the town mind. She couldn’t get but so close to most of them in spirit. It was especially noticeable after Joe had forced through a town ditch to drain the street in front of the store. They had murmured hotly about slavery being over, but every man filled his assignment.

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Mariah W Mariah W (Mar 25 2024 8:13AM) : A lot of the town feels resentment towards Janie and her luxury life that Jody brings to her. Jody basically resembles a slave owner with his authority and abuse of power
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There was something about Joe Starks that cowed the town. It was not because of physical fear. He was no fist fighter. His bulk was not even imposing as men go. Neither was it because he was more literate than the rest. Something else made men give way before him. He had a bow-down command in his face, and every step he took made the thing more tangible.

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Take for instance that new house of his. It had two stories with porches, with bannisters and such things. The rest of the town looked like servants’ quarters surrounding the “big house.” And different from everybody else in the town he put off moving in until it had been painted, in and out. And look at the way he painted it—a gloaty, sparkly white. The kind of promenading white that the houses of Bishop Whipple, W. B. Jackson and the Vanderpool’s wore. It made the village feel funny talking to him—just like he was anybody else. Then there was the matter of the spittoons. No sooner was he all set as the Mayor—post master—landlord—storekeeper, than he bought a desk like Mr. Hill or Mr. Galloway over in Maitland with one of those swing-around chairs to it. What with him biting down on cigars and saving his breath on talk and swinging round in that chair, it weakened people. And then he spit in that gold-looking vase that anybody else would have been glad to put on their front-room table. Said it was a spittoon just like his used-to-be bossman used to have in his bank up there in Atlanta. Didn’t have to get up and go to the door every time he had to spit. Didn’t spit on his floor neither. Had that golded-up spitting pot right handy. But he went further than that. He bought a little lady-size spitting pot for Janie to spit in. Had it right in the parlor with little sprigs of flowers painted all around the sides. It took people by surprise because most of the women dipped snuff and of course had a spit-cup in the house. But how could they know up-to-date folks was spitting in flowery little things like that? It sort of made the rest of them feel that they had been taken advantage of. Like things had been kept from them. Maybe more things in the world besides spitting pots had been hid from them, when they wasn’t told no better than to spit in tomato cans. It was bad enough for white people, but when one of your own color could be so different it put you on a wonder. It was like seeing your sister turn into a ’gator. A familiar strangeness. You keep seeing your sister in the ’gator and the ’gator in your sister, and you’d rather not. There was no doubt that the town respected him and even admired him in a way. But any man who walks in the way of power and property is bound to meet hate. So when speakers stood up when the occasion demanded and said “Our beloved Mayor,” it was one of those statements that everybody says but nobody actually believes like “God is everywhere.” It was just a handle to wind up the tongue with. As time went on and the benefits he had conferred upon the town receded in time they sat on his store porch while he was busy inside and discussed him. Like one day after he caught Henry Pitts with a wagon load of his ribbon cane and took the cane away from Pitts and made him leave town. Some of them thought Starks ought not to have done that. He had so much cane and everything else. But they didn’t say that while Joe Starks was on the porch. When the mail came from Maitland and he went inside to sort it out everybody had their say.

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Sara K Sara K (Mar 22 2024 9:31AM) : The spittoons symbolize the disparity between the Starks and the rest of the town.
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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:07PM) : But also that's by design. Everything Joe has been doing is to make them separate from them. The flowers painted on the side may show that there is still love in this relationship as well.
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Julia E Julia E (Apr 11 2024 8:51PM) : I dont think its to show a sign of love but to reinforce the difference between Janie and the townswomen. Janie gets the flowered, golden spittoon pot that is typically a can to most women showcasing the disparity between Janie's class and the others. more

This is all by designed by Joe since he wants to appear bigger than life to the otherwise small world of this town. By having Janie be decked out in obsessive riches, he is essentially showing off his most valued treasure. It fits the time period of how husbands would show of their wealth through their wives. If their wives were dressed in the most fashionable clothes and donned the most expensive jewelry, they were able to show off their power and wealth.

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Emma V Emma V (Mar 23 2024 2:11PM) : Gators more

The symbolic use of a gator is compelling. Gators are characterized as stalkers; you never really know when one is lingering around, so most are warned to be wary when near murky waters. The town itself is the murky waters, in the sense that it’s changing relatively fast and leaving little time for the citizens to adjust, and the new mayoral couple are the gators. The townspeople analogize the Starks to influential white folk because of their higher standing, which immediately plants the seeds of distrust among the townspeople because of the contextual history.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:08PM) : Wow I love this idea and analysis of the gators.
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Sara K Sara K (Mar 22 2024 9:36AM) : The shine is starting to wear off of Joe. The people in the town are beginning to resent him.
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Sim Jones started off as soon as he was sure that Starks couldn’t hear him.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:09PM) : It's insane to me how he's their mayor and they respect him, but they don't, and they want him to be their mayor...but they don't. I think it makes sense that there is hate against Joe- rightly placed, but why does no one challenge him if there's clear more

contempt?

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Coen I Coen I (Mar 25 2024 12:27AM) : The town is experiencing its first willful social contract. While it is said that the townspeople had a sense of closeness and affections before Joe came along, there was no definite structure, shared identity, defined community, or authority. more

In giving Joe the authority, many realise this affords the town many benefits. It allows for them to expand, afford some relative luxuries, and offload some burdens of a small society. This comes at the expense of some liberties however, and they must oblige much of the wishes of Joe, and pay respects, and do as he sees fitting — either for himself or for the town, as illustrated by criticisms of his uppity house

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“It’s uh sin and uh shame runnin’ dat po’ man way from here lak dat. Colored folks oughtn’t tuh be so hard on one ’nother.”

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“Ah don’t see it dat way atall,” Sam Watson said shortly. “Let colored folks learn to work for what dey git lak everybody else. Nobody ain’t stopped Pitts from plantin’ de cane he wanted tuh. Starks give him uh job, what mo’ do he want?”

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“Ah know dat too,” Jones said, “but, Sam, Joe Starks is too exact wid folks. All he got he done made it offa de rest of us. He didn’t have all dat when he come here.”

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“Yeah, but none uh all dis you see and you’se settin’ on wasn’t here neither, when he come. Give de devil his due.”

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“But now, Sam, you know dat all he do is big-belly round and tell other folks what tuh do. He loves obedience out of everybody under de sound of his voice.”

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Bella P Bella P (Mar 24 2024 10:21PM) : POV more

I think by giving us an opinion of a townsperson is very compelling and allows for us to experience Joe’s mayorship from someone who is caught under his thumb.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:11PM) : But they don't do anything! None of them do! I can't understand but at the same time, I do (if that makes any sense). They even go on to compare him to slave owners...but stay under his leadership still. They're clearly not blind just, like you said, more

caught.

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“You kin feel a switch in his hand when he’s talkin’ to yuh,” Oscar Scott complained. “Dat chastisin’ feelin’ he totes sorter gives yuh de protolapsis uh de cutinary linin’.”

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“He’s uh whirlwind among breezes,” Jeff Bruce threw in.

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“Speakin’ of winds, he’s de wind and we’se de grass. We bend which ever way he blows,” Sam Watson agreed, “but at dat us needs him. De town wouldn’t be nothin’ if it wasn’t for him. He can’t help bein’ sorta bossy. Some folks needs thrones, and ruling-chairs and crowns tuh make they influence felt. He don’t. He’s got uh throne in de seat of his pants.”

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:13PM) : The blatant diminishing of their own power is wild to me. Jeff calls the townspeople a breeze but then Sam's word choice makes them even lesser as grass.
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Coen I Coen I (Mar 25 2024 12:31AM) : I think in part this is the effect of condition and imagery. It's for this exact reason that Joe has such a partiality to maintaining a particular image and status among the townspeople that offers to him their respect and obedience. more

It also gives to him their unrelenting -sometimes willful, sometimes hesitant - authority over them and the operation of the town. Without it this authority may be thrown into peril, and as such he begins to obsess over it

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“Whut Ah don’t lak ’bout de man is, he talks tuh unlettered folks wid books in his jaws,” Hicks complained. “Showin’ off his learnin’. To look at me you wouldn’t think it, but Ah got uh brother pastorin’ up round Ocala dat got good learnin’. If he wuz here, Joe Starks wouldn’t make no fool outa him lak he do de rest uh y’all.”

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“Ah often wonder how dat lil wife uh hisn makes out wid him, ’cause he’s uh man dat changes everything, but nothin’ don’t change him.”

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“You know many’s de time Ah done thought about dat mahself. He gits on her ever now and then when she make little mistakes round de store.”

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“Whut make her keep her head tied up lak some ole ’oman round de store? Nobody couldn’t git me tuh tie no rag on mah head if Ah had hair lak dat.”

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Mariah W Mariah W (Mar 25 2024 8:16AM) : Janie's hair is a symbol for her own emotions and the way she expresses herself. Jody controls Janie by controlling the way she puts up her hair. He prevents Jody from expressing herself. Later in the book when Jody dies, Janie lets down her hair, more

representing that she is free again from Jody’s grasp

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Julia E Julia E (Apr 11 2024 8:53PM) : Its interesting how much Joe wanted to show off Janie and her appearance but at the same time hide away it at the same time.
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Colton S Colton S (Mar 20 2025 7:15PM) : Jody controlling Janie and perspective more

It is so interesting to see the perspective of how Jody is controlling Janie with her hair and her self representation as a person.

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“Maybe he make her do it. Maybe he skeered some de rest of us mens might touch it round dat store. It sho is uh hidden mystery tuh me.”

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“She sho don’t talk much. De way he rears and pitches in de store sometimes when she make uh mistake is sort of ungodly, but she don’t seem to mind at all. Reckon dey understand one ’nother.”

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The town had a basketful of feelings good and bad about Joe’s positions and possessions, but none had the temerity to challenge him. They bowed down to him rather, because he was all of these things, and then again he was all of these things because the town bowed down.

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Bella P Bella P (Mar 24 2024 10:23PM) : Paradoxes more

This description of the Joe/Townspeople relationship is very contradictory; it explains that they do not exactly enjoy Joe’s politics, but are willing to stick it out, along with other contradictions.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:18PM) : I think they just are now stuck in this loop. Who's going to say no to him? He's the mayor? But we elected him. But why? Because he gets things done? But how come nobody else gets things done? Because nobody thought it. But why can't anyone do it now? more

Because Joe is mayor and gets things done
I mean, it’s so wild but says a lot about his personality

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Every morning the world flung itself over and exposed the town to the sun. So Janie had another day. And every day had a store in it, except Sundays. The store itself was a pleasant place if only she didn’t have to sell things. When the people sat around on the porch and passed around the pictures of their thoughts for the others to look at and see, it was nice. The fact that the thought pictures were always crayon enlargements of life made it even nicer to listen to.

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Emma V Emma V (Mar 23 2024 2:16PM) : Crayons more

Describing the townsfolks’ feelings and thoughts as “crayon enlargements” of life almost feels like Janie may see them as simplistic or immature; she may not view them as profound because of the lips uttering them.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:19PM) : I think it's because Joe tells her to look at them that way.
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Take for instance the case of Matt Bonner’s yellow mule. They had him up for conversation every day the Lord sent. Most especial if Matt was there himself to listen. Sam and Lige and Walter were the ringleaders of the mule-talkers. The others threw in whatever they could chance upon, but it seemed as if Sam and Lige and Walter could hear and see more about that mule than the whole county put together. All they needed was to see Matt’s long spare shape coming down the street and by the time he got to the porch they were ready for him.

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Mariah W Mariah W (Mar 25 2024 8:18AM) : The people talking about Bonner's mule amuses Janie, as she wants to participate in the conversation. Jody controls Janie by silencing her, making her unable to participate in their conversations as it may ruin her reputation as the mayors wife
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Seth C Seth C (Mar 25 2024 1:26PM) : Joe cutting Janie off from the rest of the town only works to solidify her position of powerlessness.
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“Hello, Matt.”

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“Evenin’, Sam.”

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“Mighty glad you come ’long right now, Matt. Me and some others wuz jus’ about tuh come hunt yuh.”

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“Whut fuh, Sam?”

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“Mighty serious matter, man. Serious!!”

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“Yeah man,” Lige would cut in, dolefully. “It needs yo’ strict attention. You ought not tuh lose no time.”

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“Whut is it then? You oughta hurry up and tell me.”

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“Reckon we better not tell yuh heah at de store. It’s too fur off tuh do any good. We better all walk on down by Lake Sabelia.”

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“Whut’s wrong, man? Ah ain’t after none uh y’alls foolishness now.”

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“Dat mule uh yourn, Matt. You better go see ’bout him. He’s bad off.”

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“Where ’bouts? Did he wade in de lake and uh alligator ketch him?”

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“Worser’n dat. De womenfolks got yo’ mule. When Ah come round de lake ’bout noontime mah wife and some others had ’im flat on de ground usin’ his sides fuh uh wash board.”

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The great clap of laughter that they have been holding in, bursts out. Sam never cracks a smile. “Yeah, Matt, dat mule so skinny till de women is usin’ his rib bones fuh uh rub-board, and hangin’ things out on his hock-bones tuh dry.”

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Matt realizes that they have tricked him again and the laughter makes him mad and when he gets mad he stammers.

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“You’se uh stinkin’ lie, Sam, and yo’ feet ain’t mates. Y-y-y-you!”

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“Aw, man, ’tain’t no use in you gittin’ mad. Yuh know yuh don’t feed de mule. How he gointuh git fat?”

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“Ah-ah-ah d-d-does feed ’im! Ah g-g-gived ’im uh full cup uh cawn every feedin’.”

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“Lige knows all about dat cup uh cawn. He hid round yo’ barn and watched yuh. ’Tain’t no feed cup you measures dat cawn outa. It’s uh tea cup.”

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“Ah does feed ’im. He’s jus’ too mean tuh git fat. He stay poor and rawbony jus’ fuh spite. Skeered he’ll hafta work some.”

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“Yeah, you feeds ’im. Feeds ’im offa ‘come up’ and seasons it wid raw-hide.”

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“Does feed de ornery varmint! Don’t keer whut Ah do Ah can’t git long wid ’im. He fights every inch in front uh de plow, and even lay back his ears tuh kick and bite when Ah go in de stall tuh feed ’im.”

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“Git reconciled, Matt,” Lige soothed. “Us all knows he’s mean. Ah seen ’im when he took after one uh dem Roberts chillun in de street and woulda caught ’im and maybe trompled ’im tuh death if de wind hadn’t of changed all of a sudden. Yuh see de youngun wuz tryin’ tuh make it tuh de fence uh Starks’ onion patch and de mule wuz dead in behind ’im and gainin’ on ’im every jump, when all of a sudden de wind changed and blowed de mule way off his course, him bein’ so poor and everything, and before de ornery varmint could tack, de youngun had done got over de fence.” The porch laughed and Matt got mad again.

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“Maybe de mule takes out after everybody,” Sam said, “ ’cause he thinks everybody he hear comin’ is Matt Bonner comin’ tuh work ’im on uh empty stomach.”

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“Aw, naw, aw, naw. You stop dat right now,” Walter objected. “Dat mule don’t think Ah look lak no Matt Bonner. He ain’t dat dumb. If Ah thought he didn’t know no better Ah’d have mah picture took and give it tuh dat mule so’s he could learn better. Ah ain’t gointuh ’low ’im tuh hold nothin’ lak dat against me.”

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Matt struggled to say something but his tongue failed him so he jumped down off the porch and walked away as mad as he could be. But that never halted the mule talk. There would be more stories about how poor the brute was; his age; his evil disposition and his latest caper. Everybody indulged in mule talk. He was next to the Mayor in prominence, and made better talking.

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Janie loved the conversation and sometimes she thought up good stories on the mule, but Joe had forbidden her to indulge. He didn’t want her talking after such trashy people. “You’se Mrs. Mayor Starks, Janie. I god, Ah can’t see what uh woman uh yo’ stability would want tuh be treasurin’ all dat gum-grease from folks dat don’t even own de house dey sleep in. ’Tain’t no earthly use. They’s jus’ some puny humans playin’ round de toes uh Time.”

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Bella P Bella P (Mar 24 2024 10:27PM) : Joe's controlling nature more

It seems that Joe is more concerned with public optics than allowing Janie to have relationships with those in the town- despite the fact that allowing her to be friendly with the less fortunate people of the community would aid how they appear to others overall.

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Coen I Coen I (Mar 25 2024 12:33AM) : I believe this ties into his previous indications that he expects Janie to reinforce his authority and image by preserving her own as his wife. However this also ties into his insecure and controlling nature over Janie
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Janie noted that while he didn’t talk the mule himself, he sat and laughed at it. Laughed his big heh, heh laugh too. But then when Lige or Sam or Walter or some of the other big picture talkers were using a side of the world for a canvas, Joe would hustle her off inside the store to sell something. Look like he took pleasure in doing it. Why couldn’t he go himself sometimes? She had come to hate the inside of that store anyway. That Post Office too. People always coming and asking for mail at the wrong time. Just when she was trying to count up something or write in an account book. Get her so hackled she’d make the wrong change for stamps. Then too, she couldn’t read everybody’s writing. Some folks wrote so funny and spelt things different from what she knew about. As a rule, Joe put up the mail himself, but sometimes when he was off she had to do it herself and it always ended up in a fuss.

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The store itself kept her with a sick headache. The labor of getting things down off of a shelf or out of a barrel was nothing. And so long as people wanted only a can of tomatoes or a pound of rice it was all right. But supposing they went on and said a pound and a half of bacon and a half pound of lard? The whole thing changed from a little walking and stretching to a mathematical dilemma. Or maybe cheese was thirty-seven cents a pound and somebody came and asked for a dime’s worth. She went through many silent rebellions over things like that. Such a waste of life and time. But Joe kept saying that she could do it if she wanted to and he wanted her to use her privileges. That was the rock she was battered against.

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Emma G Emma G (Mar 24 2024 7:27PM) : The use of foreshadowing to show the changes in Janies perspective of Joe are very interesting and I think this sentence is very important to show the change in how she views him.
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Emma V Emma V (Mar 23 2024 2:24PM) : Privilege more

This is an inside look into Janie as a person. While she hates the mundane duties of running the town as the mayor’s wife, she feels that is an obligation, as Joe tells her. It almost feels like he may be guilt-tripping her like, “You’re free to use your privilege to get out of chores, but also remember you’re the mayor’s wife.”

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Julia E Julia E (Apr 11 2024 8:56PM) : From what we know, Janie has never once used her privileges and instead is dutifully going about her chores: to the store, stocking and providing customers what they need, and finally going back home to make dinner. more

Even with the ridicule she receives from Joe, if she messes up just a little, Janie continues to do everything while it seems that Joe is the one exercising the privileges of mayorhood by not doing anything.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:20PM) : It's interesting to see the change in perspective shown by Joe's devolution from this blossoming flower to a rock that Janie is pinned against with the waves battering against her.
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Seth C Seth C (Mar 25 2024 1:28PM) : It's interesting to see that Janie's perception of Joe is as a rock she battles against, something that is unfeeling, unmoving, and inevitable.

This business of the headrag irked her endlessly. But Jody was set on it. Her hair was NOT going to show in the store. It didn’t seem sensible at all. That was because Joe never told Janie how jealous he was. He never told her how often he had seen the other men figuratively wallowing in it as she went about things in the store. And one night he had caught Walter standing behind Janie and brushing the back of his hand back and forth across the loose end of her braid ever so lightly so as to enjoy the feel of it without Janie knowing what he was doing. Joe was at the back of the store and Walter didn’t see him. He felt like rushing forth with the meat knife and chopping off the offending hand. That night he ordered Janie to tie up her hair around the store. That was all. She was there in the store for him to look at, not those others. But he never said things like that. It just wasn’t in him. Take the matter of the yellow mule, for instance.

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Autumn B Autumn B (Mar 22 2024 10:20PM) : Joe's treatment more

The more she talks about her daily life, the less opinions she has and the more she focuses on what Joe wants. Despite not wanting the head rag herself, Joe did. This is actually really common in cases of abuse from what I know, for people to relinquish their opinions to what their partners want.

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Bella P Bella P (Mar 24 2024 10:29PM) : Janie's loss of power more

The further the story goes, it seems that the less autonomy Janie has. Perhaps Joe’s power-hungry nature has become too strong.

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Late one afternoon Matt came from the west with a halter in his hand. “Been huntin’ fuh mah mule. Anybody seen ’im?” he asked.

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“Seen ’im soon dis mornin’ over behind de schoolhouse,” Lum said. “ ’Bout ten o’clock or so. He musta been out all night tuh be way over dere dat early.”

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“He wuz,” Matt answered. “Seen ’im last night but Ah couldn’t ketch ’im. Ah’m ’bliged tuh git ’im in tuhnight ’cause Ah got some plowin’ fuh tuhmorrow. Done promised tuh plow Thompson’s grove.”

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“Reckon you’ll ever git through de job wid dat mule-frame?” Lige asked.

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“Aw dat mule is plenty strong. Jus’ evil and don’t want tuh be led.”

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“Dat’s right. Dey tell me he brought you heah tuh dis town. Say you started tuh Miccanopy but de mule had better sense and brung yuh on heah.”

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“It’s uh l-l-lie! Ah set out fuh dis town when Ah left West Floridy.”

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“You mean tuh tell me you rode dat mule all de way from West Floridy down heah?”

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“Sho he did, Lige. But he didn’t mean tuh. He wuz satisfied up dere, but de mule wuzn’t. So one mornin’ he got straddle uh de mule and he took and brought ’im on off. Mule had sense. Folks up dat way don’t eat biscuit bread but once uh week.”

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There was always a little seriousness behind the teasing of Matt, so when he got huffed and walked on off nobody minded. He was known to buy side-meat by the slice. Carried home little bags of meal and flour in his hand. He didn’t seem to mind too much so long as it didn’t cost him anything.

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About half an hour after he left they heard the braying of the mule at the edge of the woods. He was coming past the store very soon.

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“Less ketch Matt’s mule fuh ’im and have some fun.”

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“Now, Lum, you know dat mule ain’t aimin’ tuh let hisself be caught. Less watch you do it.”

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When the mule was in front of the store, Lum went out and tackled him. The brute jerked up his head, laid back his ears and rushed to the attack. Lum had to run for safety. Five or six more men left the porch and surrounded the fractious beast, goosing him in the sides and making him show his temper. But he had more spirit left than body. He was soon panting and heaving from the effort of spinning his old carcass about. Everybody was having fun at the mule-baiting. All but Janie.

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She snatched her head away from the spectacle and began muttering to herself. “They oughta be shamed uh theyselves! Teasin’ dat poor brute beast lak they is! Done been worked tuh death; done had his disposition ruint wid mistreatment, and now they got tuh finish devilin’ ’im tuh death. Wisht Ah had mah way wid ’em all.”

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She walked away from the porch and found something to busy herself with in the back of the store so she did not hear Jody when he stopped laughing. She didn’t know that he had heard her, but she did hear him yell out, “Lum, I god, dat’s enough! Y’all done had yo’ fun now. Stop yo’ foolishness and go tell Matt Bonner Ah wants tuh have uh talk wid him right away.”

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Janie came back out front and sat down. She didn’t say anything and neither did Joe. But after a while he looked down at his feet and said, “Janie, Ah reckon you better go fetch me dem old black gaiters. Dese tan shoes sets mah feet on fire. Plenty room in ’em, but they hurts regardless.”

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She got up without a word and went off for the shoes. A little war of defense for helpless things was going on inside her. People ought to have some regard for helpless things. She wanted to fight about it. “But Ah hates disagreement and confusion, so Ah better not talk. It makes it hard tuh git along.” She didn’t hurry back. She fumbled around long enough to get her face straight. When she got back, Joe was talking with Matt.

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“Fifteen dollars? I god you’se as crazy as uh betsy bug! Five dollars.”

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“L-l-less we strack uh compermise, Brother Mayor. Less m-make it ten.”

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“Five dollars.” Joe rolled his cigar in his mouth and rolled his eyes away indifferently.

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Seth C Seth C (Mar 25 2024 1:30PM) : Joe exercises a kind of mystical authority over the townspeople, and, in a way, has become the new white man.

“If dat mule is wuth somethin’ tuh you, Brother Mayor, he’s wuth mo’ tuh me. More special when Ah got uh job uh work tuhmorrow.”

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“Five dollars.”

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“All right, Brother Mayor. If you wants tuh rob uh poor man lak me uh everything he got tuh make uh livin’ wid, Ah’ll take de five dollars. Dat mule been wid me twenty-three years. It’s mighty hard.”

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Mayor Starks deliberately changed his shoes before he reached into his pocket for the money. By that time Matt was wringing and twisting like a hen on a hot brick. But as soon as his hand closed on the money his face broke into a grin.

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“Beatyuh tradin’ dat time, Starks! Dat mule is liable tuh be dead befo’ de week is out. You won’t git no work outa him.”

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“Didn’t buy ’im fuh no work. I god, Ah bought dat varmint tuh let ’im rest. You didn’t have gumption enough tuh do it.”

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Shantell B Shantell B (Mar 24 2024 8:00PM) : Rest more

Jody said he bought the mule to let it rest, just like he convinced Janie to go with him so she could rest. Jody made it seem like he was helping, when he was actually trying to control them.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:24PM) : I think this line of reasoning makes a ton of sense. Especially considering both Janie and the mule help him. Jody puts himself first and this is like a PR stunt to make sure that the town still loves him
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Mariah W Mariah W (Mar 25 2024 8:22AM) : In my opinion, the mule is much like Jody, for he is imprisoned the majority of his life just and Jody is controlling her.
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A respectful silence fell on the place. Sam looked at Joe and said, “Dat’s uh new idea ’bout varmints, Mayor Starks. But Ah laks it mah ownself. It’s uh noble thing you done.” Everybody agreed with that.

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Janie stood still while they all made comments. When it was all done she stood in front of Joe and said, “Jody, dat wuz uh mighty fine thing fuh you tuh do. ’Tain’t everybody would have thought of it, ’cause it ain’t no everyday thought. Freein’ dat mule makes uh mighty big man outa you. Something like George Washington and Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln, he had de whole United States tuh rule so he freed de Negroes. You got uh town so you freed uh mule. You have tuh have power tuh free things and dat makes you lak uh king uh something.”

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Mariah W Mariah W (Mar 25 2024 8:20AM) : Its a bit ironic that he is labeled as Abraham Lincoln as he is a symbol of setting people free from slavery, but he is the one imprisoning Janie like a slave owner.
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Bella P Bella P (Mar 24 2024 10:34PM) : Janie's impact on Joe's power more

Janie continues to support Joe’s power-hungry nature and even applaud it; she may also be to blame for Joe’s overuse of his mayoral power.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:25PM) : What else is she to do though? I mean, it's her way of being a supportive wife but I don't think she's to blame. The blame falls solely on Joe here in my opinion. I do think that she isn't helping the situation but the actions stem from Joe alone.

Hambo said, “Yo’ wife is uh born orator, Starks. Us never knowed dat befo’. She put jus’ de right words tuh our thoughts.”

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Joe bit down hard on his cigar and beamed all around, but he never said a word. The town talked it for three days and said that’s just what they would have done if they had been rich men like Joe Starks. Anyhow a free-mule in town was something new to talk about. Starks piled fodder under the big tree near the porch and the mule was usually around the store like the other citizens. Nearly everybody took the habit of fetching along a handful of fodder to throw on the pile. He almost got fat and they took a great pride in him. New lies sprung up about his free-mule doings. How he pushed open Lindsay’s kitchen door and slept in the place one night and fought until they made coffee for his breakfast; how he stuck his head in the Pearsons’ window while the family was at the table and Mrs. Pearson mistook him for Rev. Pearson and handed him a plate; he ran Mrs. Tully off of the croquet ground for having such an ugly shape; he ran and caught up with Becky Anderson on the way to Maitland so as to keep his head out of the sun under her umbrella; he got tired of listening to Redmond’s long-winded prayer, and went inside the Baptist church and broke up the meeting. He did everything but let himself be bridled and visit Matt Bonner.

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Coen I Coen I (Mar 25 2024 12:37AM) : Joe (likely intentionally) makes himself out to be superhuman through this action. It not only gives him respect, but casts him out as an idol -- a moral figure and one in power. With this image his respect is greatly expanded. more

Questioning Joe or leveraging criticisms against him seems to the townspeople now to be irrational and impossible as he is placed on a pedestal, and he will maintain this respect until eventually people rehumanise Joe in seeing his flaws and wrinkles and the way mortal age has taken him like all others, and doubt his strength for the first time in many years

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But way after a while he died. Lum found him under the big tree on his rawbony back with all four feet up in the air. That wasn’t natural and it didn’t look right, but Sam said it would have been more unnatural for him to have laid down on his side and died like any other beast. He had seen Death coming and had stood his ground and fought it like a natural man. He had fought it to the last breath. Naturally he didn’t have time to straighten himself out. Death had to take him like it found him.

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When the news got around, it was like the end of a war or something like that. Everybody that could knocked off from work to stand around and talk. But finally there was nothing to do but drag him out like all other dead brutes. Drag him out to the edge of the hammock which was far enough off to satisfy sanitary conditions in the town. The rest was up to the buzzards. Everybody was going to the dragging-out. The news had got Mayor Starks out of bed before time. His pair of gray horses was out under the tree and the men were fooling with the gear when Janie arrived at the store with Joe’s breakfast.

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“I god, Lum, you fasten up dis store good befo’ you leave, you hear me?” He was eating fast and talking with one eye out of the door on the operations.

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“Whut you tellin’ ’im tuh fasten up for, Jody?” Janie asked, surprised.

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“ ’Cause it won’t be nobody heah tuh look after de store. Ah’m goin’ tuh de draggin’-out mahself.”

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“ ’Tain’t nothin’ so important Ah got tuh do tuhday, Jody. How come Ah can’t go long wid you tuh de draggin’-out?”

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Joe was struck speechless for a minute. “Why, Janie! You wouldn’t be seen at uh draggin’-out, wouldja? Wid any and everybody in uh passle pushin’ and shovin’ wid they no-manners selves? Naw, naw!”

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“You would be dere wid me, wouldn’t yuh?”

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“Dat’s right, but Ah’m uh man even if Ah is de Mayor. But de mayor’s wife is somethin’ different again. Anyhow they’s liable tuh need me tuh say uh few words over de carcass, dis bein’ uh special case. But you ain’t goin’ off in all dat mess uh commonness. Ah’m surprised at yuh fuh askin’.”

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He wiped his lips of ham gravy and put on his hat. “Shet de door behind yuh, Janie. Lum is too busy wid de hawses.”

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After more shouting of advice and orders and useless comments, the town escorted the carcass off. No, the carcass moved off with the town, and left Janie standing in the doorway.

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Out in the swamp they made great ceremony over the mule. They mocked everything human in death. Starks led off with a great eulogy on our departed citizen, our most distinguished citizen and the grief he left behind him, and the people loved the speech. It made him more solid than building the schoolhouse had done. He stood on the distended belly of the mule for a platform and made gestures. When he stepped down, they hoisted Sam up and he talked about the mule as a school teacher first. Then he set his hat like John Pearson and imitated his preaching. He spoke of the joys of mule-heaven to which the dear brother had departed this valley of sorrow; the mule-angels flying around; the miles of green corn and cool water, a pasture of pure bran with a river of molasses running through it; and most glorious of all, No Matt Bonner with plow lines and halters to come in and corrupt. Up there, mule-angels would have people to ride on and from his place beside the glittering throne, the dear departed brother would look down into hell and see the devil plowing Matt Bonner all day long in a hell-hot sun and laying the raw-hide to his back.

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Seth C Seth C (Mar 25 2024 1:32PM) : This goes to show that even when he is being kind, Joe is still calculating ways to benefit himself.
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With that the sisters got mock-happy and shouted and had to be held up by the menfolks. Everybody enjoyed themselves to the highest and then finally the mule was left to the already impatient buzzards. They were holding a great flying-meet way up over the heads of the mourners and some of the nearby trees were already peopled with the stoop-shouldered forms.

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As soon as the crowd was out of sight they closed in circles. The near ones got nearer and the far ones got near. A circle, a swoop and a hop with spread-out wings. Close in, close in till some of the more hungry or daring perched on the carcass. They wanted to begin, but the Parson wasn’t there, so a messenger was sent to the ruler in a tree where he sat.

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The flock had to wait for the white-headed leader, but it was hard. They jostled each other and pecked at heads in hungry irritation. Some walked up and down the beast from head to tail, tail to head. The Parson sat motionless in a dead pine tree about two miles off. He had scented the matter as quickly as any of the rest, but decorum demanded that he sit oblivious until he was notified. Then he took off with ponderous flight and circled and lowered, circled and lowered until the others danced in joy and hunger at his approach.

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Coen I Coen I (Mar 25 2024 12:40AM) : I believe the personification and insight into the behaviours of the buzzards is intended to mirror and put into perspective the view the townspeople have of Joe. more

Through this likening, commentary about Joe’s absolute power beyond reason is thrown into view

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He finally lit on the ground and walked around the body to see if it were really dead. Peered into its nose and mouth. Examined it well from end to end and leaped upon it and bowed, and the others danced a response. That being over, he balanced and asked:

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“What killed this man?”

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The chorus answered, “Bare, bare fat.”

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“What killed this man?”

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“Bare, bare fat.”

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“What killed this man?”

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“Bare, bare fat.”

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“Who’ll stand his funeral?”

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“We!!!!!”

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“Well, all right now.”

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So he picked out the eyes in the ceremonial way and the feast went on. The yaller mule was gone from the town except for the porch talk, and for the children visiting his bleaching bones now and then in the spirit of adventure.

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Joe returned to the store full of pleasure and good humor but he didn’t want Janie to notice it because he saw that she was sullen and he resented that. She had no right to be, the way he thought things out. She wasn’t even appreciative of his efforts and she had plenty cause to be. Here he was just pouring honor all over her; building a high chair for her to sit in and overlook the world and she here pouting over it! Not that he wanted anybody else, but just too many women would be glad to be in her place. He ought to box her jaws! But he didn’t feel like fighting today, so he made an attack upon her position backhand.

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“Ah had tuh laugh at de people out dere in de woods dis mornin’, Janie. You can’t help but laugh at de capers they cuts. But all the same, Ah wish mah people would git mo’ business in ’em and not spend so much time on foolishness.”

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“Everybody can’t be lak you, Jody. Somebody is bound tuh want tuh laugh and play.”

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“Who don’t love tuh laugh and play?”

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“You make out like you don’t, anyhow.”

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“I god, Ah don’t make out no such uh lie! But it’s uh time fuh all things. But it’s awful tuh see so many people don’t want nothin’ but uh full belly and uh place tuh lay down and sleep afterwards. It makes me sad sometimes and then agin it makes me mad. They say things sometimes that tickles me nearly tuh death, but Ah won’t laugh jus’ tuh dis-incourage ’em.” Janie took the easy way away from a fuss. She didn’t change her mind but she agreed with her mouth. Her heart said, “Even so, but you don’t have to cry about it.”

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But sometimes Sam Watson and Lige Moss forced a belly laugh out of Joe himself with their eternal arguments. It never ended because there was no end to reach. It was a contest in hyperbole and carried on for no other reason.

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Maybe Sam would be sitting on the porch when Lige walked up. If nobody was there to speak of, nothing happened. But if the town was there like on Saturday night, Lige would come up with a very grave air. Couldn’t even pass the time of day, for being so busy thinking. Then when he was asked what was the matter in order to start him off, he’d say, “Dis question done ’bout drove me crazy. And Sam, he know so much into things, Ah wants some information on de subject.”

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Walter Thomas was due to speak up and egg the matter on. “Yeah, Sam always got more information than he know what to do wid. He’s bound to tell yuh whatever it is you wants tuh know.”

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Sam begins an elaborate show of avoiding the struggle. That draws everybody on the porch into it.

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“How come you want me tuh tell yuh? You always claim God done met you round de corner and talked His inside business wid yuh. ’Tain’t no use in you askin’ me nothin’. Ah’m questionizin’ you.”

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“How you gointuh do dat, Sam, when Ah arrived dis conversation mahself? Ah’m askin’ you.”

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“Askin’ me what? You ain’t told me de subjick yit.”

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“Don’t aim tuh tell yuh! Ah aims tuh keep yuh in de dark all de time. If you’se smart lak you let on you is, you kin find out.”

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“Yuh skeered to lemme know whut it is, ’cause yuh know Ah’ll tear it tuh pieces. You got to have a subjick tuh talk from, do yuh can’t talk. If uh man ain’t got no bounds, he ain’t got no place tuh stop.”

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By this time, they are the center of the world.

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“Well all right then. Since you own up you ain’t smart enough tuh find out whut Ah’m talkin’ ’bout, Ah’ll tell you. Whut is it dat keeps uh man from gettin’ burnt on uh red-hot stove—caution or nature?”

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“Shucks! Ah thought you had somethin’ hard tuh ast me. Walter kin tell yuh dat.”

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“If de conversation is too deep for yuh, how come yuh don’t tell me so, and hush up? Walter can’t tell me nothin’ uh de kind. Ah’m uh educated man, Ah keeps mah arrangements in mah hands, and if it kept me up all night long studyin’ ’bout it, Walter ain’t liable tuh be no help to me. Ah needs uh man lak you.”

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“And then agin, Lige, Ah’m gointuh tell yuh. Ah’m gointuh run dis conversation from uh gnat heel to uh lice. It’s nature dat keeps uh man off of uh red-hot stove.”

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“Uuh huuh! Ah knowed you would going tuh crawl up in dat holler! But Ah aims tuh smoke yuh right out. ’Tain’t no nature at all, it’s caution, Sam.”

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“ ’Tain’t no sich uh thing! Nature tells yuh not tuh fool wid no red-hot stove, and you don’t do it neither.”

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“Listen, Sam, if it was nature, nobody wouldn’t have tuh look out for babies touchin’ stoves, would they? ’Cause dey just naturally wouldn’t touch it. But dey sho will. So it’s caution.”

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“Naw it ain’t, it’s nature, cause nature makes caution. It’s de strongest thing dat God ever made, now. Fact is it’s de onliest thing God ever made. He made nature and nature made everything else.”

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“Naw nature didn’t neither. A whole heap of things ain’t even been made yit.”

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“Tell me somethin’ you know of dat nature ain’t made.”

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“She ain’t made it so you kin ride uh butt-headed cow and hold on tuh de horns.”

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“Yeah, but dat ain’t yo’ point.”

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“Yeah it is too.”

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“Naw it ain’t neither.”

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“Well what is mah point?”

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“You ain’t got none, so far.”

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“Yeah he is too,” Walter cut in. “De red-hot stove is his point.”

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“He know mighty much, but he ain’t proved it yit.”

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“Sam, Ah say it’s caution, not nature dat keeps folks off uh red-hot stove.”

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“How is de son gointuh be before his paw? Nature is de first of everything. Ever since self was self, nature been keepin’ folks off of red-hot stoves. Dat caution you talkin’ ’bout ain’t nothin’ but uh humbug. He’s uh inseck dat nothin’ he got belongs to him. He got eyes, lak somethin’ else; wings lak somethin’ else—everything! Even his hum is de sound of somebody else.”

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“Man, whut you talkin’ ’bout? Caution is de greatest thing in de world. If it wasn’t for caution—”

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“Show me somethin’ dat caution ever made! Look whut nature took and done. Nature got so high in uh black hen she got tuh lay uh white egg. Now you tell me, how come, whut got intuh man dat he got tuh have hair round his mouth? Nature!”

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“Dat ain’t—”

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The porch was boiling now. Starks left the store to Hezekiah Potts, the delivery boy, and come took a seat in his high chair.

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“Look at dat great big ole scoundrel-beast up dere at Hall’s fillin’ station—uh great big old scoundrel. He eats up all de folks outa de house and den eat de house.”

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“Aw ’tain’t no sich a varmint nowhere dat kin eat no house! Dat’s uh lie. Ah wuz dere yiste’ddy and Ah ain’t seen nothin’ lak dat. Where is he?”

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“Ah didn’t see him but Ah reckon he is in de back-yard some place. But dey got his picture out front dere. They was nailin’ it up when Ah come pass dere dis evenin’.”

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“Well all right now, if he eats up houses how come he don’t eat up de fillin’ station?”

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“Dat’s ’cause dey got him tied up so he can’t. Dey got uh great big picture tellin’ how many gallons of dat Sinclair high-compression gas he drink at one time and how he’s more’n uh million years old.”

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“ ’Tain’t nothin’ no million years old!”

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“De picture is right up dere where anybody kin see it. Dey can’t make de picture till dey see de thing, kin dey?”

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“How dey goin’ to tell he’s uh million years old? Nobody wasn’t born dat fur back.”

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“By de rings on his tail Ah reckon. Man, dese white folks got ways for tellin’ anything dey wants tuh know.”

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“Well, where he been at all dis time, then?”

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“Dey caught him over dere in Egypt. Seem lak he used tuh hang round dere and eat up dem Pharaohs’ tombstones. Dey got de picture of him doin’ it. Nature is high in uh varmint lak dat. Nature and salt. Dat’s whut makes up strong man lak Big John de Conquer. He was uh man wid salt in him. He could give uh flavor to anything.”

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“Yeah, but he was uh man dat wuz more’n man. ’Tain’t no mo’ lak him. He wouldn’t dig potatoes, and he wouldn’t rake hay: He wouldn’t take a whipping, and he wouldn’t run away.”

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“Oh yeah, somebody else could if dey tried hard enough. Me mahself, Ah got salt in me. If Ah like man flesh, Ah could eat some man every day, some of ’em is so trashy they’d let me eat ’em.”

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“Lawd, Ah loves to talk about Big John. Less we tell lies on Ole John.”

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But here come Bootsie, and Teadi and Big ’oman down the street making out they are pretty by the way they walk. They have got that fresh, new taste about them like young mustard greens in the spring, and the young men on the porch are just bound to tell them about it and buy them some treats.

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“Heah come mah order right now,” Charlie Jones announces and scrambles off the porch to meet them. But he has plenty of competition. A pushing, shoving show of gallantry. They all beg the girls to just buy anything they can think of. Please let them pay for it. Joe is begged to wrap up all the candy in the store and order more. All the peanuts and soda water—everything!

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“Gal, Ah’m crazy ’bout you,” Charlie goes on to the entertainment of everybody. “Ah’ll do anything in the world except work for you and give you mah money.”

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The girls and everybody else help laugh. They know it’s not courtship. It’s acting-out courtship and everybody is in the play. The three girls hold the center of the stage till Daisy Blunt comes walking down the street in the moonlight.

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Daisy is walking a drum tune. You can almost hear it by looking at the way she walks. She is black and she knows that white clothes look good on her, so she wears them for dress up. She’s got those big black eyes with plenty shiny white in them that makes them shine like brand new money and she knows what God gave women eyelashes for, too. Her hair is not what you might call straight. It’s negro hair, but it’s got a kind of white flavor. Like the piece of string out of a ham. It’s not ham at all, but it’s been around ham and got the flavor. It was spread down thick and heavy over her shoulders and looked just right under a big white hat.

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Emma G Emma G (Mar 24 2024 7:26PM) : The use of exaggeration in this sentence is very insightful into how Joe has the town so trapped that he resembled that of a dictator
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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:28PM) : As the men just said, somewhere I don't remember, the way women walk have a great deal of importance to their effect on the men of the town. The drum shows just how loud that effect may be...potentially on Joe too.
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Colton S Colton S (Mar 20 2025 7:24PM) : again with the display of how they are percived due to their actions more

this book consistantly deals with this theme of men perceiving women differently in the way they act, I am super interested in this theme and good to see where it goes and what hurtson is trying to say

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Autumn B Autumn B (Mar 22 2024 10:23PM) : Metaphor more

I think this is upsetting, because she’s comparing a girl who is objectively very pretty to all those around, to her traits being like a white person’s style. And yet, it’s not even close to what the actuality is, but an imitation that was around it.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:30PM) : I thought it was more complimentary. Which is albeit weird a compliment stemming from ham but yea. I think it's more commentary on how imitation is the way Daisy thinks she can be beautiful
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“Lawd, Lawd, Lawd,” that same Charlie Jones exclaims rushing over to Daisy. “It must be uh recess in heben if St. Peter is lettin’ his angels out lak dis. You got three men already layin’ at de point uh death ’bout yuh, and heah’s uhnother fool dat’s willin’ tuh make time on yo’ gang.”

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All the rest of the single men have crowded around Daisy by this time. She is parading and blushing at the same time.

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“If you know anybody dat’s ’bout tuh die ’bout me, yuh know more’n Ah do,” Daisy bridled. “Wisht Ah knowed who it is.”

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“Now, Daisy, you know Jim, and Dave and Lum is ’bout tuh kill one ’nother ’bout you. Don’t stand up here and tell dat big ole got-dat-wrong.”

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“Dey a mighty hush-mouf about it if dey is. Dey ain’t never told me nothin’.”

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“Unhhunh, you talked too fast. Heah, Jim and Dave is right upon de porch and Lum is inside de store.”

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A big burst of laughter at Daisy’s discomfiture. The boys had to act out their rivalry too. Only this time, everybody knew they meant some of it. But all the same the porch enjoyed the play and helped out whenever extras were needed.

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David said, “Jim don’t love Daisy. He don’t love yuh lak Ah do.”

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Jim bellowed indignantly, “Who don’t love Daisy? Ah know you ain’t talkin’ ’bout me.”

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Dave: “Well all right, less prove dis thing right now. We’ll prove right now who love dis gal de best. How much time is you willin’ tuh make fuh Daisy?”

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Jim: “Twenty yeahs!”

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Dave: “See? Ah told yuh dat nigger didn’t love yuh. Me, Ah’ll beg de Judge tuh hang me, and wouldn’t take nothin’ less than life.”

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There was a big long laugh from the porch. Then Jim had to demand a test.

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“Dave, how much would you be willin’ tuh do for Daisy if she was to turn fool enough tuh marry yuh?”

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“Me and Daisy done talked dat over, but if you just got tuh know, Ah’d buy Daisy uh passenger train and give it tuh her.”

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“Humph! Is dat all? Ah’d buy her uh steamship and then Ah’d hire some mens tuh run it fur her.”

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“Daisy, don’t let Jim fool you wid his talk. He don’t aim tuh do nothin’ fuh yuh. Uh lil ole steamship! Daisy, Ah’ll take uh job cleanin’ out de Atlantic Ocean fuh you any time you say you so desire.” There was a great laugh and then they hushed to listen.

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“Daisy,” Jim began, “you know mah heart and all de ranges uh mah mind. And you know if Ah wuz ridin’ up in uh earoplane way up in de sky and Ah looked down and seen you walkin’ and knowed you’d have tuh walk ten miles tuh git home, Ah’d step backward offa dat earoplane just to walk home wid you.”

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There was one of those big blow-out laughs and Janie was wallowing in it. Then Jody ruined it all for her.

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annie h annie h (Mar 24 2024 4:37PM) : Jody ruined it all for her more

Janie finds joy in hearing the men argue over who would love Daisy more as it brings Janie back to her dreams of love and happiness she had when she was younger, a dream she thought she’d find in Jody. saying that Jody ruined it all for her describes both the singular event and the dreams she had in life as Jody took the love and joy out of both.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:32PM) : OOOOOO Annie I love this.
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Julia E Julia E (Apr 11 2024 8:59PM) : I think she wishes the life that Daisy has. If she were not have to marry Daisy and was instead allowed to grow up and explore her sexuality she might have been very similar to Daisy. In a way, Daisy represents the life that Janie never had and this... more

the scene with Daisy is kinda like Janie daydreaming about what could have been. Then all of sudden Joe ruined it all and shattered the dream.

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Mrs. Bogle came walking down the street towards the porch. Mrs. Bogle who was many times a grandmother, but had a blushing air of coquetry about her that cloaked her sunken cheeks. You saw a fluttering fan before her face and magnolia blooms and sleepy lakes under the moonlight when she walked. There was no obvious reason for it, it was just so. Her first husband had been a coachman but “studied jury” to win her. He had finally become a preacher to hold her till his death. Her second husband worked in Fohnes orange grove—but tried to preach when he caught her eye. He never got any further than a class leader, but that was something to offer her. It proved his love and pride. She was a wind on the ocean. She moved men, but the helm determined the port. Now, this night she mounted the steps and the men noticed her until she passed inside the door.

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“I god, Janie,” Starks said impatiently, “why don’t you go on and see whut Mrs. Bogle want? Whut you waitin’ on?”

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Janie wanted to hear the rest of the play-acting and how it ended, but she got up sullenly and went inside. She came back to the porch with her bristles sticking out all over her and with dissatisfaction written all over her face. Joe saw it and lifted his own hackles a bit.

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Jim Weston had secretly borrowed a dime and soon he was loudly beseeching Daisy to have a treat on him. Finally she consented to take a pickled pig foot on him. Janie was getting up a large order when they came in, so Lum waited on them. That is, he went back to the keg but came back without the pig foot.

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“Mist’ Starks, de pig feets is all gone!” he called out.

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“Aw naw dey ain’t, Lum. Ah bought uh whole new kag of ’em wid dat last order from Jacksonville. It come in yistiddy.”

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Joe came and helped Lum look but he couldn’t find the new keg either, so he went to the nail over his desk that he used for a file to search for the order.

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“Janie, where’s dat last bill uh ladin’?”

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“It’s right dere on de nail, ain’t it?”

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“Naw it ain’t neither. You ain’t put it where Ah told yuh tuh. If you’d git yo’ mind out de streets and keep it on yo’ business maybe you could git somethin’ straight sometimes.”

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“Aw, look around dere, Jody. Dat bill ain’t apt tuh be gone off nowheres. If it ain’t hangin’ on de nail, it’s on yo’ desk. You bound tuh find it if you look.”

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“Wid you heah, Ah oughtn’t tuh hafta do all dat lookin’ and searchin’. Ah done told you time and time agin tuh stick all dem papers on dat nail! All you got tuh do is mind me. How come you can’t do lak Ah tell yuh?”

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“You sho loves to tell me whut to do, but Ah can’t tell you nothin’ Ah see!”

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“Dat’s ’cause you need tellin’,” he rejoined hotly. “It would be pitiful if Ah didn’t. Somebody got to think for women and chillun and chickens and cows. I god, they sho don’t think none theirselves.”

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“Ah knows uh few things, and womenfolks thinks sometimes too!”

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“Aw naw they don’t. They just think they’s thinkin’. When Ah see one thing Ah understands ten. You see ten things and don’t understand one.”

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Times and scenes like that put Janie to thinking about the inside state of her marriage. Time came when she fought back with her tongue as best she could, but it didn’t do her any good. It just made Joe do more. He wanted her submission and he’d keep on fighting until he felt he had it.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:36PM) : Joe's way of approaching his marriage with Janie is a lot like how he is mayor. He wants complete and total control and doesn't really care what they think because he knows best. (I hate him)
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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:37PM) : Also the disappearance of Janie's name is very telling to how he treats her less like a person and more like an object
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So gradually, she pressed her teeth together and learned to hush. The spirit of the marriage left the bedroom and took to living in the parlor. It was there to shake hands whenever company came to visit, but it never went back inside the bedroom again. So she put something in there to represent the spirit like a Virgin Mary image in a church. The bed was no longer a daisy-field for her and Joe to play in. It was a place where she went and laid down when she was sleepy and tired.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:38PM) : No more flowers. No more love
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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:37PM) : This line is up there for best line in the book for me
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She wasn’t petal-open anymore with him. She was twenty-four and seven years married when she knew. She found that out one day when he slapped her face in the kitchen. It happened over one of those dinners that chasten all women sometimes. They plan and they fix and they do, and then some kitchen-dwelling fiend slips a scorchy, soggy, tasteless mess into their pots and pans. Janie was a good cook, and Joe had looked forward to his dinner as a refuge from other things. So when the bread didn’t rise, and the fish wasn’t quite done at the bone, and the rice was scorched, he slapped Janie until she had a ringing sound in her ears and told her about her brains before he stalked on back to the store.

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James W James W (Mar 21 2024 7:05PM) : Joe starts to abuse Janie more

this shows how horrible of a person Joe is and shows the abuse that Janie has to go through in her marriage to him

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Janie stood where he left her for unmeasured time and thought. She stood there until something fell off the shelf inside her. Then she went inside there to see what it was. It was her image of Jody tumbled down and shattered. But looking at it she saw that it never was the flesh and blood figure of her dreams. Just something she had grabbed up to drape her dreams over. In a way she turned her back upon the image where it lay and looked further. She had no more blossomy openings dusting pollen over her man, neither any glistening young fruit where the petals used to be. She found that she had a host of thoughts she had never expressed to him, and numerous emotions she had never let Jody know about. Things packed up and put away in parts of her heart where he could never find them. She was saving up feelings for some man she had never seen. She had an inside and an outside now and suddenly she knew how not to mix them.

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Emma V Emma V (Mar 23 2024 2:38PM) : Pollen more

The extended metaphor of blooming and the presence of pollen. After Joe struck Janie, she retreated to her mind and reflected, realizing the fuzzy that initially attracted her to Joe feeling had long been put to rest. This paragraph revealed how disconnected she had been from her inner self.

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She bathed and put on a fresh dress and head kerchief and went on to the store before Jody had time to send for her. That was a bow to the outside of things.

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Jody was on the porch and the porch was full of Eatonville as usual at this time of the day. He was baiting Mrs. Tony Robbins as he always did when she came to the store. Janie could see Jody watching her out of the corner of his eye while he joked roughly with Mrs. Robbins. He wanted to be friendly with her again. His big, big laugh was as much for her as for the baiting. He was longing for peace but on his own terms.

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Seth C Seth C (Mar 25 2024 1:34PM) : These kind of moments show that Joe isn't just a one-sided character.

“I god, Mrs. Robbins, whut make you come heah and worry me when you see Ah’m readin’ mah newspaper?” Mayor Starks lowered the paper in pretended annoyance.

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Mrs. Robbins struck her pity-pose and assumed the voice.

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“ ’Cause Ah’m hongry, Mist’ Starks. ’Deed Ah is. Me and mah chillun is hongry. Tony don’t fee-eed me!”

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This was what the porch was waiting for. They burst into a laugh.

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“Mrs. Robbins, how can you make out you’se hongry when Tony comes in here every Satitday and buys groceries lak a man? Three weeks’ shame on yuh!”

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“If he buy all dat you talkin’ ’bout, Mist’ Starks, God knows whut he do wid it. He sho don’t bring it home, and me and mah po’ chillun is so hongry! Mist’ Starks, please gimme uh lil piece uh meat fur me and mah chillun.”

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“Ah know you don’t need it, but come on inside. You ain’t goin’ tuh lemme read till Ah give it to yuh.”

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Mrs. Tony’s ecstasy was divine. “Thank you, Mist’ Starks. You’se noble! You’se du most gentlemanfied man Ah ever did see. You’se uh king!”

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The salt pork box was in the back of the store and during the walk Mrs. Tony was so eager she sometimes stepped on Joe’s heels, sometimes she was a little before him. Something like a hungry cat when somebody approaches her pan with meat. Running a little, caressing a little and all the time making little urging-on cries.

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“Yes, indeedy, Mist’ Starks, you’se noble. You got sympathy for me and mah po’ chillun. Tony don’t give us nothin’ tuh eat and we’se so hongry. Tony don’t fee-eed me!”

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This brought them to the meat box. Joe took up the big meat knife and selected a piece of side-meat to cut. Mrs. Tony was all but dancing around him.

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“Dat’s right, Mist’ Starks! Gimme uh lil piece ’bout dis wide.” She indicated as wide as her wrist and hand. “Me and mah chillun is so hongry!”

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Starks hardly looked at her measurements. He had seen them too often. He marked off a piece much smaller and sunk the blade in. Mrs. Tony all but fell to the floor in her agony.

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“Lawd a’mussy! Mist’ Starks, you ain’t gointuh gimme dat lil tee-ninchy piece fuh me and all mah chillun, is yuh? Lawd, we’se so hongry!”

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Starks cut right on and reached for a piece of wrapping paper. Mrs. Tony leaped away from the proffered cut of meat as if it were a rattlesnake.

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“Ah wouldn’t tetch it! Dat lil eyeful uh bacon for me and all mah chillun! Lawd, some folks is got everything and they’s so gripin’ and so mean!”

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Starks made as if to throw the meat back in the box and close it. Mrs. Tony swooped like lightning and seized it, and started towards the door.

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“Some folks ain’t got no heart in dey bosom. They’s willin’ tuh see uh po’ woman and her helpless chillun starve tuh death. God’s gointuh put ’em under arrest, some uh dese days, wid dey stingy gripin’ ways.”

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She stepped from the store porch and marched off in high dudgeon! Some laughed and some got mad.

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“If dat wuz mah wife,” said Walter Thomas, “Ah’d kill her cemetery dead.”

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“More special after Ah done bought her everything mah wages kin stand, lak Tony do,” Coker said. “In de fust place Ah never would spend on no woman whut Tony spend on her.”

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Starks came back and took his seat. He had to stop and add the meat to Tony’s account.

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“Well, Tony tells me tuh humor her along. He moved here from up de State hopin’ tuh change her, but it ain’t. He say he can’t bear tuh leave her and he hate to kill her, so ’tain’t nothin’ tuh do but put up wid her.”

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“Dat’s ’cause Tony love her too good,” said Coker. “Ah could break her if she wuz mine. Ah’d break her or kill her. Makin’ uh fool outa me in front of everybody.”

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“Tony won’t never hit her. He says beatin’ women is just like steppin’ on baby chickens. He claims ’tain’t no place on uh woman tuh hit,” Joe Lindsay said with scornful disapproval, “but Ah’d kill uh baby just born dis mawnin’ fuh uh thing lak dat. ’Tain’t nothin’ but low-down spitefulness ’ginst her husband make her do it.”

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“Dat’s de God’s truth,” Jim Stone agreed. “Dat’s de very reason.”

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Janie did what she had never done before, that is, thrust herself into the conversation.

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“Sometimes God gits familiar wid us womenfolks too and talks His inside business. He told me how surprised He was ’bout y’all turning out so smart after Him makin’ yuh different; and how surprised y’all is goin’ tuh be if you ever find out you don’t know half as much ’bout us as you think you do. It’s so easy to make yo’self out God Almighty when you ain’t got nothin’ tuh strain against but women and chickens.”

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Emma V Emma V (Mar 23 2024 2:44PM) : Voice [Edited] more

Following her self-reflection, she’s reclaiming something in this paragraph. While she may have been shut down and ignored, at least she found the voice to speak on the injustice women faced. It’s a significant change from her holding her tongue to avoid any conflict with her husband or the menfolk within the town.

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annie h annie h (Mar 24 2024 4:47PM) : Women and Chickens more

I think it is also significant that she uses women and chickens as it is reclaims Jody’s statement to her that “somebody got to think for women and children and chickens and cows.” She is not just beginning to find her voice and stand up for herself and other women, but she is doing so by using the language and example her husband used to try and keep her from finding her voice.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:46PM) : Hurston: the Queen of the Call-Back more

It is so nice to hear the reclamation in this paragraph. Almost a full-circle moment, Hurston keeps doing these things for Janie that, even though Janie has been silenced for the majority of these chapters, she is still the protagonist. You root for her to find her voice. I think it’s a great choice and method for Hurston to create a common “hero” for her reader.

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Mariah W Mariah W (Mar 25 2024 8:27AM) : I agree with you Emma, it is another step for her finding her own voice once more. Janie understands Mrs. Robbins as a victim of male power. She cares for her children, not the idea of embarrassing herself [Edited]

“You gettin’ too moufy, Janie,” Starks told her. “Go fetch me de checker-board and de checkers. Sam Watson, you’se mah fish.”

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Seth C Seth C (Mar 25 2024 1:35PM) : This sentence alone is enough to fully condemn Joe in the eyes of the reader.
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The years took all the fight out of Janie’s face. For a while she thought it was gone from her soul. No matter what Jody did, she said nothing. She had learned how to talk some and leave some. She was a rut in the road. Plenty of life beneath the surface but it was kept beaten down by the wheels. Sometimes she stuck out into the future, imagining her life different from what it was. But mostly she lived between her hat and her heels, with her emotional disturbances like shade patterns in the woods—come and gone with the sun. She got nothing from Jody except what money could buy, and she was giving away what she didn’t value.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:47PM) : Chapter Starts more

This is the first chapter to not start with a nature-related thing or a statement that sweeps the reader off their feet. It’s saddening and shows just how much this marriage has been bad for Janie

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Emma V Emma V (Mar 23 2024 2:46PM) : Her position as a the mayor's wife blurred what truly made her Janie.
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Now and again she thought of a country road at sun-up and considered flight. To where? To what? Then too she considered thirty-five is twice seventeen and nothing was the same at all.

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“Maybe he ain’t nothin’,” she cautioned herself, “but he is something in my mouth. He’s got tuh be else Ah ain’t got nothin’ tuh live for. Ah’ll lie and say he is. If Ah don’t, life won’t be nothin’ but uh store and uh house.”

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She didn’t read books so she didn’t know that she was the world and the heavens boiled down to a drop. Man attempting to climb to painless heights from his dung hill.

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Then one day she sat and watched the shadow of herself going about tending store and prostrating itself before Jody, while all the time she herself sat under a shady tree with the wind blowing through her hair and her clothes. Somebody near about making summertime out of lonesomeness.

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Emma V Emma V (Mar 23 2024 2:48PM) : She has began to disassociate from her role.
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This was the first time it happened, but after a while it got so common she ceased to be surprised. It was like a drug. In a way it was good because it reconciled her to things. She got so she received all things with the stolidness of the earth which soaks up urine and perfume with the same indifference.

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Emma V Emma V (Mar 23 2024 2:50PM) : The Earth soaks up the good and the bad. Janie is now so numb to her surroundings she's become stoic in the face of any form of emotion.

One day she noticed that Joe didn’t sit down. He just stood in front of a chair and fell in it. That made her look at him all over. Joe wasn’t so young as he used to be. There was already something dead about him. He didn’t rear back in his knees any longer. He squatted over his ankles when he walked. That stillness at the back of his neck. His prosperous-looking belly that used to thrust out so pugnaciously and intimidate folks, sagged like a load suspended from his loins. It didn’t seem to be a part of him anymore. Eyes a little absent too.

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Mariah W Mariah W (Mar 25 2024 8:29AM) : Jody's decline in health may represent his own insecurities. The more he feels insecure, the more his health deteriorates
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Jody must have noticed it too. Maybe, he had seen it long before Janie did, and had been fearing for her to see. Because he began to talk about her age all the time, as if he didn’t want her to stay young while he grew old. It was always “You oughta throw somethin’ over yo’ shoulders befo’ you go outside. You ain’t no young pullet no mo’. You’se uh ole hen now.” One day he called her off the croquet grounds. “Dat’s somethin’ for de young folks, Janie, you out dere jumpin’ round and won’t be able tuh git out de bed tuhmorrer.” If he thought to deceive her, he was wrong. For the first time she could see a man’s head naked of its skull. Saw the cunning thoughts race in and out through the caves and promontories of his mind long before they darted out of the tunnel of his mouth. She saw he was hurting inside so she let it pass without talking. She just measured out a little time for him and set it aside to wait.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:50PM) : There's a theory that hurt people hurt people. Janie has so much hurt but she defies this theory. Jody, however, is the example of it. It leaves me to wonder, what hurt him? Or was he always just this awful?
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It got to be terrible in the store. The more his back ached and his muscle dissolved into fat and the fat melted off his bones, the more fractious he became with Janie. Especially in the store. The more people in there the more ridicule he poured over her body to point attention away from his own. So one day Steve Mixon wanted some chewing tobacco and Janie cut it wrong. She hated that tobacco knife anyway. It worked very stiff. She fumbled with the thing and cut way away from the mark. Mixon didn’t mind. He held it up for a joke to tease Janie a little.

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“Looka heah, Brother Mayor, whut yo’ wife done took and done.” It was cut comical, so everybody laughed at it. “Uh woman and uh knife—no kind of uh knife, don’t b’long tuhgether.” There was some more good-natured laughter at the expense of women.

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Jody didn’t laugh. He hurried across from the post office side and took the plug of tobacco away from Mixon and cut it again. Cut it exactly on the mark and glared at Janie.

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“I god amighty! A woman stay round uh store till she get old as Methusalem and still can’t cut a little thing like a plug of tobacco! Don’t stand dere rollin’ yo’ pop eyes at me wid yo’ rump hangin’ nearly to yo’ knees!”

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A big laugh started off in the store but people got to thinking and stopped. It was funny if you looked at it right quick, but it got pitiful if you thought about it awhile. It was like somebody snatched off part of a woman’s clothes while she wasn’t looking and the streets were crowded. Then too, Janie took the middle of the floor to talk right into Jody’s face, and that was something that hadn’t been done before.

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“Stop mixin’ up mah doings wid mah looks, Jody. When you git through tellin’ me how tuh cut uh plug uh tobacco, then you kin tell me whether mah behind is on straight or not.”

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“Wha—whut’s dat you say, Janie? You must be out yo’ head.”

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“Naw, Ah ain’t outa mah head neither.”

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“You must be. Talkin’ any such language as dat.”

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“You de one started talkin’ under people’s clothes. Not me.”

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“Whut’s de matter wid you, nohow? You ain’t no young girl to be gettin’ all insulted ’bout yo’ looks. You ain’t no young courtin’ gal. You’se uh ole woman, nearly forty.”

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“Yeah, Ah’m nearly forty and you’se already fifty. How come you can’t talk about dat sometimes instead of always pointin’ at me?”

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“ ’Tain’t no use in gettin’ all mad, Janie, ’cause Ah mention you ain’t no young gal no mo’. Nobody in heah ain’t lookin’ for no wife outa yuh. Old as you is.”

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“Naw, Ah ain’t no young gal no mo’ but den Ah ain’t no old woman neither. Ah reckon Ah looks mah age too. But Ah’m uh woman every inch of me, and Ah know it. Dat’s uh whole lot more’n you kin say. You big-bellies round here and put out a lot of brag, but ’tain’t nothin’ to it but yo’ big voice. Humph! Talkin’ ’bout me lookin’ old! When you pull down yo’ britches, you look lak de change uh life.”

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Mariah W Mariah W (Mar 25 2024 8:24AM) : The fact that Janie is standing up for herself resembles her finding her own voice again, the first time in forever since Jody silenced her.
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“Great God from Zion!” Sam Watson gasped. “Y’all really playin’ de dozens tuhnight.”

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“Wha—whut’s dat you said?” Joe challenged, hoping his ears had fooled him.

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“You heard her, you ain’t blind,” Walter taunted.

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“Ah ruther be shot with tacks than tuh hear dat ’bout mahself,” Lige Moss commiserated.

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Then Joe Starks realized all the meanings and his vanity bled like a flood. Janie had robbed him of his illusion of irresistible maleness that all men cherish, which was terrible. The thing that Saul’s daughter had done to David. But Janie had done worse, she had cast down his empty armor before men and they had laughed, would keep on laughing. When he paraded his possessions hereafter, they would not consider the two together. They’d look with envy at the things and pity the man that owned them. When he sat in judgment it would be the same. Good-for-nothing’s like Dave and Lum and Jim wouldn’t change place with him. For what can excuse a man in the eyes of other men for lack of strength? Raggedy-behind squirts of sixteen and seventeen would be giving him their merciless pity out of their eyes while their mouths said something humble. There was nothing to do in life anymore. Ambition was useless. And the cruel deceit of Janie! Making all that show of humbleness and scorning him all the time! Laughing at him, and now putting the town up to do the same. Joe Starks didn’t know the words for all this, but he knew the feeling. So he struck Janie with all his might and drove her from the store.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:55PM) : Fragile Masculinity vs. The Hardship Women Endure more

For years Jody has ridiculed Janie and he is shocked that she says something back. I think this paragraph is filled with sarcasm from the narrator. And that really conveys the tone of Hurston

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After that night Jody moved his things and slept in a room downstairs. He didn’t really hate Janie, but he wanted her to think so. He had crawled off to lick his wounds. They didn’t talk too much around the store either. Anybody that didn’t know would have thought that things had blown over, it looked so quiet and peaceful around. But the stillness was the sleep of swords. So new thoughts had to be thought and new words said. She didn’t want to live like that. Why must Joe be so mad with her for making him look small when he did it to her all the time? Had been doing it for years. Well, if she must eat out of a long-handled spoon, she must. Jody might get over his mad spell any time at all and begin to act like somebody towards her.

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Mariah W Mariah W (Mar 25 2024 8:30AM) : He can no longer silence Janie through verbal abuse, he has to come up with other ways to control Janie's expression and emotions
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Then too she noticed how baggy Joe was getting all over. Like bags hanging from an ironing board. A little sack hung from the corners of his eyes and rested on his cheek-bones; a loose-filled bag of feathers hung from his ears and rested on his neck beneath his chin. A sack of flabby something hung from his loins and rested on his thighs when he sat down. But even these things were running down like candle grease as time moved on.

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He made new alliances too. People he never bothered with one way or another now seemed to have his ear. He had always been scornful of root-doctors and all their kind, but now she saw a faker from over around Altamonte Springs, hanging around the place almost daily. Always talking in low tones when she came near, or hushed altogether. She didn’t know that he was driven by a desperate hope to appear the old-time body in her sight. She was sorry about the root-doctor because she feared that Joe was depending on the scoundrel to make him well when what he needed was a doctor, and a good one. She was worried about his not eating his meals, till she found out he was having old lady Davis to cook for him. She knew that she was a much better cook than the old woman, and cleaner about the kitchen. So she bought a beef-bone and made him some soup.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:57PM) : Anaphora of "She" more

Everything has to come back to Janie doing the right thing: being worried, wanting better for Joe, etc. It’s tiring for the reader and this makes me think it’s more tiring fot Janie.

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“Naw, thank you,” he told her shortly. “Ah’m havin’ uh hard enough time tuh try and git well as it is.”

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She was stunned at first and hurt afterwards. So she went straight to her bosom friend, Pheoby Watson, and told her about it.

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“Ah’d rather be dead than for Jody tuh think Ah’d hurt him,” she sobbed to Pheoby. “It ain’t always been too pleasant, ’cause you know how Joe worships de works of his own hands, but God in heben knows Ah wouldn’t do one thing tuh hurt nobody. It’s too underhand and mean.”

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“Janie, Ah though maybe de thing would die down and you never would know nothin’ ’bout it, but it’s been singin’ round here ever since de big fuss in de store dat Joe was ‘fixed’ and you wuz de one dat did it.”

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“Pheoby, for de longest time, Ah been feelin’ dat somethin’ set for still-bait, but dis is—is—oh Pheoby! Whut kin I do?”

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“You can’t do nothin’ but make out you don’t know it. It’s too late fuh y’all tuh be splittin’ up and gittin’ divorce. Just g’wan back home and set down on yo’ royal diasticutis and say nothin’. Nobody don’t b’lieve it nohow.”

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“Tuh think Ah been wid Jody twenty yeahs and Ah just now got tuh bear de name uh poisonin’ him! It’s ’bout to kill me, Pheoby. Sorrow dogged by sorrow is in mah heart.”

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“Dat’s lie dat trashy nigger dat calls hisself uh two-headed doctor brought tuh ’im in order tuh git in wid Jody. He seen he wuz sick—everybody been knowin’ dat for de last longest, and den Ah reckon he heard y’all wuz kind of at variance, so dat wuz his chance. Last summer dat multiplied cockroach wuz round heah tryin’ tuh sell gophers!”

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“Pheoby, Ah don’t even b’lieve Jody b’lieve dat lie. He ain’t never took no stock in de mess. He just make out he b’lieve it tuh hurt me. Ah’m stone dead from standin’ still and tryin’ tuh smile.”

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She cried often in the weeks that followed. Joe got too weak to look after things and took to his bed. But he relentlessly refused to admit her to his sick-room. People came and went in the house. This one and that one came into her house with covered plates of broth and other sick-room dishes without taking the least notice of her as Joe’s wife. People who never had known what it was to enter the gate of the Mayor’s yard unless it were to do some menial job now paraded in and out as his confidants. They came to the store and ostentatiously looked over whatever she was doing and went back to report to him at the house. Said things like “Mr. Starks need somebody tuh sorta look out for ’im till he kin git on his feet again and look for hisself.”

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But Jody was never to get on his feet again. Janie had Sam Watson to bring her the news from the sick-room, and when he told her how things were, she had him bring a doctor from Orlando without giving Joe a chance to refuse, and without saying she sent for him.

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“Just a matter of time,” the doctor told her. “When a man’s kidneys stop working altogether, there is no way for him to live. He needed medical attention two years ago. Too late now.”

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So Janie began to think of Death. Death, that strange being with the huge square toes who lived way in the West. The great one who lived in the straight house like a platform without sides to it, and without a roof. What need has Death for a cover, and what winds can blow against him? He stands in his high house that overlooks the world. Stands watchful and motionless all day with his sword drawn back, waiting for the messenger to bid him come. Been standing there before there was a where or a when or a then. She was liable to find a feather from his wings lying in her yard any day now. She was sad and afraid too. Poor Jody! He ought not to have to wrassle in there by himself. She sent Sam in to suggest a visit, but Jody said No. These medical doctors wuz all right with the Godly sick, but they didn’t know a thing about a case like his. He’d be all right just as soon as the two-headed man found what had been buried against him. He wasn’t going to die at all. That was what he thought. But Sam told her different, so she knew. And then if he hadn’t, the next morning she was bound to know, for people began to gather in the big yard under the palm and china-berry trees. People who would not have dared to foot the place before crept in and did not come to the house. Just squatted under the trees and waited. Rumor, that wingless bird, had shadowed over the town.

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Emma V Emma V (Mar 23 2024 2:56PM) : Intentional capitalization of Death. More a person/entity than a notion.
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Holden G Holden G (Mar 24 2024 11:59PM) : I think it also conveys the seriousness to how she is thinking on death. It's not fleeting and has more of a permanence.
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She got up that morning with the firm determination to go on in there and have a good talk with Jody. But she sat a long time with the walls creeping in on her. Four walls squeezing her breath out. Fear lest he depart while she sat trembling upstairs nerved her and she was inside the room before she caught her breath. She didn’t make the cheerful, casual start that she had thought out. Something stood like an oxen’s foot on her tongue, and then too, Jody, no Joe, gave her a ferocious look. A look with all the unthinkable coldness of outer space. She must talk to a man who was ten immensities away.

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He was lying on his side facing the door like he was expecting somebody or something. A sort of changing look on his face. Weak-looking but sharp-pointed about the eyes. Through the thin counterpane she could see what was left of his belly huddled before him on the bed like some helpless thing seeking shelter.

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The half-washed bedclothes hurt her pride for Jody. He had always been so clean.

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“Whut you doin’ in heah, Janie?”

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“Come tuh see ’bout you and how you wuz makin’ out.”

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He gave a deep-growling sound like a hog dying down in the swamp and trying to drive off disturbance. “Ah come in heah tuh git shet uh you but look lak ’tain’t doin’ me no good. G’wan out. Ah needs tuh rest.”

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“Naw, Jody, Ah come in heah tuh talk widja and Ah’m gointuh do it too. It’s for both of our sakes Ah’m talkin’.”

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He gave another ground grumble and eased over on his back.

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“Jody, maybe Ah ain’t been sich uh good wife tuh you, but Jody—”

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“Dat’s ’cause you ain’t got de right feelin’ for nobody. You oughter have some sympathy ’bout yo’self. You ain’t no hog.”

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“But, Jody, Ah meant tuh be awful nice.”

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“Much as Ah done fuh yuh. Holdin’ me up tuh scorn. No sympathy!”

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“Naw, Jody, it wasn’t because Ah didn’t have no sympathy. Ah had uh lavish uh dat. Ah just didn’t never git no chance tuh use none of it. You wouldn’t let me.”

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“Dat’s right, blame everything on me. Ah wouldn’t let you show no feelin’! When, Janie, dat’s all Ah ever wanted or desired. Now you come blamin’ me!”

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“ ’Tain’t dat, Jody. Ah ain’t here tuh blame nobody. Ah’m just tryin’ tuh make you know what kinda person Ah is befo’ it’s too late.”

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“Too late?” he whispered.

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His eyes buckled in a vacant-mouthed terror and she saw the awful surprise in his face and answered it.

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“Yeah, Jody, don’t keer whut dat multiplied cockroach told yuh tuh git yo’ money, you got tuh die, and yuh can’t live.”

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A deep sob came out of Jody’s weak frame. It was like beating a bass drum in a hen-house. Then it rose high like pulling in a trombone.

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“Janie? Janie! don’t tell me Ah got tuh die, and Ah ain’t used tuh thinkin’ ’bout it.”

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“ ’Tain’t really no need of you dying, Jody, if you had of—de doctor—but it don’t do no good bringin’ dat up now. Dat’s just whut Ah wants tuh say, Jody. You wouldn’t listen. You done lived wid me for twenty years and you don’t half know me atall. And you could have but you was so busy worshippin’ de works of yo’ own hands, and cuffin’ folks around in their minds till you didn’t see uh whole heap uh things yuh could have.”

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“Leave heah, Janie. Don’t come heah—”

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“Ah knowed you wasn’t gointuh lissen tuh me. You changes everything but nothin’ don’t change you—not even death. But Ah ain’t goin’ outa here and Ah ain’t gointuh hush. Naw, you gointuh listen tuh me one time befo’ you die. Have yo’ way all yo’ life, trample and mash down and then die ruther than tuh let yo’self heah ’bout it. Listen, Jody, you ain’t de Jody Ah run off down de road wid. You’se whut’s left after he died. Ah run off tuh keep house wid you in uh wonderful way. But you wasn’t satisfied wid me de way Ah was. Naw! Mah own mind had tuh be squeezed and crowded out tuh make room for yours in me.”

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Seth C Seth C (Mar 25 2024 1:47PM) : When Janie tells Joe to hush, it completes the reversal of their roles. Once the dominating mayor, Joe has been reduced to a powerless shell of himself.
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Shantell B Shantell B (Mar 24 2024 7:36PM) : Janie's courage [Edited] more

Janie finally built up enough courage to share her thoughts with Jody once he is on his deathbed because she feels Jody actually has to listen to what she has to say and can not do anything about it. This is the start of her finding her courage to stand up for what she believes and not just doing what others tell her to do.

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“Shut up! Ah wish thunder and lightnin’ would kill yuh!”

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“Ah know it. And now you got tuh die tuh find out dat you got tuh pacify somebody besides yo’self if you wants any love and any sympathy in dis world. You ain’t tried tuh pacify nobody but yo’self. Too busy listening tuh yo’ own big voice.”

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“All dis tearin’ down talk!” Jody whispered with sweat globules forming all over his face and arms. “Git outa heah!”

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“All dis bowin’ down, all dis obedience under yo’ voice—dat ain’t whut Ah rushed off down de road tuh find out about you.”

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A sound of strife in Jody’s throat, but his eyes stared unwillingly into a corner of the room so Janie knew the futile fight was not with her. The icy sword of the square-toed one had cut off his breath and left his hands in a pose of agonizing protest. Janie gave them peace on his breast, then she studied his dead face for a long time.

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Julia E Julia E (Apr 11 2024 9:02PM) : Its kinda poetic that Janie's words were what did Joe in. Joe originally lured Janie and captured her when she was young with his words and used those same words of his to keep her "in-check" more

But now, Janie finally found her voice, and once she did, death came for Joe. Not that its related to his death but the stress and anger of knowing that Janie’s voice was no longer under his control and was used against him is what further his death along.

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“Dis sittin’ in de rulin’ chair is been hard on Jody,” she muttered out loud. She was full of pity for the first time in years. Jody had been hard on her and others, but life had mishandled him too. Poor Joe! Maybe if she had known some other way to try, she might have made his face different. But what that other way could be, she had no idea. She thought back and forth about what had happened in the making of a voice out of a man. Then thought about herself. Years ago, she had told her girl self to wait for her in the looking glass. It had been a long time since she had remembered. Perhaps she’d better look. She went over to the dresser and looked hard at her skin and features. The young girl was gone, but a handsome woman had taken her place. She tore off the kerchief from her head and let down her plentiful hair. The weight, the length, the glory was there. She took careful stock of herself, then combed her hair and tied it back up again. Then she starched and ironed her face, forming it into just what people wanted to see, and opened up the window and cried, “Come heah people! Jody is dead. Mah husband is gone from me.”

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annie h annie h (Mar 24 2024 4:51PM) : Janie's hair more

Janie’s first action after the death of her husband is to take her hair down, something he never let her do. This immediate action she takes shows how she has a new found freedom in Jody’s death and she can almost be herself again. However, Janie recognizes that she cannot enjoy this freedom just yet as she puts her hair back up before facing the rest of the town.

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Holden G Holden G (Mar 25 2024 12:02AM) : I think it's less a newfound freedom but an assurance that despite all she's endured, she is still herself. Like her hair is all still there. It's just as pretty. It's as though the hair is her hope and optimism and it has remained unscathed in spite.
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Mariah W Mariah W (Mar 25 2024 8:32AM) : I agree with you Annie, the symbolism of taking down her own hair, which Jody never let her do, symbolized her freedom from the abusive relationship that he had with Jody
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